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[Yo!Chingo]

http://www.nypost.com/seven/10032006/news/columnists/pain_in_slums_of_chavez_columnists_douglas_montero.htm

[Gopher]

Funny how Chavez has time to read Noam Chomsky and adopt Chomsky's views, indeed, he has time to go the the UN and promote Chomsky's book and analysis before the General Assembly, as well as promising to relieve poverty in Europe and the United States, but he has simply not improved the lives of his own slum-dwellers one iota...

[thepeel]

Big Bird, aren't you going to defend yer boy?

[ChuckECheese]

Senor Presidente Chaves, the savior of the world, but demise for his people!

Senor Chaves is just another self-promoting dictator in 3rd world country.

Comprehende Senora BB and senora de amigos?

[Gopher]

Did everyone grasp the full extent of Chavez's complaints? Not only does he rail against the U.S. as "evil empire" a la Chomsky (who, again, he not only cited, but held up for all to see -- see the pic on the link). But he also hinted that he may have nuclear ambitions and he proposed that the UN relocate to...you guessed it: Venezuela...

http://www.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/americas/09/20/chavez.un/index.html

He is simpleton, control freak, and slave-to-Chomsky par excellence, and all wrapped up in one.

[ddeubel]

I tend to judge a leader, especially those in a system where there is SO much Presidential authority, by their personality.

I think Gopher is definitely right and we don't need one more kook ball on the international scene. Good leaders work quietly for their people, getting things done. Good leaders don't prance onto the stage and throw tantrums and talk in confrontational terms. Good leaders speak with others, even those nations which aren't putting out their hand -- they seek a way forward, not a way back into the realm of "do it or else.". Good leaders don't spend billions/trillions on arming their nation but put much of that money towards the welfare of their state. Good leaders do not control their underlings but create a workable bureaucracy and listen to the various interests of their nation.

Good leaders lead, they don't rule (the roost) . Big difference.

Chavez is puff the no magic dragon. I pity those in Venezuela who would wish a civil society to grow there.

DD

PS> Gopher, I finally have a moment and will respond to your previous questions about the coup, posed in another thread.

[ChuckECheese]

The US is evil, evil, evil, ahhhhh, evil, evil, mommy!!!!! ehhhhhhhh!!!
A big cry baby.

Senor Chavez must have a death wish. If he ever even attempts to full-fill his nuclear ambition, he's toast.

[Gopher]

I have no respect for Chavez (or Chomsky either, for that matter, as his views have become boringly predictable of late).

There is much to criticize about the United States and the existing capitalist world-system it has inherited, contributed to, and led/enforced since post-World War II.

But if you are going to negate an entire system of order (which is exactly what Chavez proposes), particularly one that has been around since at least the early modern period, and one that has, in addition to changing peoples' lives for the worse, has also changed peoples' lives for the better in multiple ways, you better damn well have an alternative proposal besides something so puerile and unrealistic as move the UN to the slums of Caracas and, even worse, "leave the world alone in peace" (when was it ever at peace?).

And I have no patience for his (and others') annoyingly simplistic reduction of all U.S. motives to greedy, bad-faith motives, let alone his extreme hypocrisy in alleging that everyone from the U.S. to the Vatican to Venezuelan exiles are attacking his govt, while he lobs attack after attack in the internal affairs of Bolivian, Peruvian, Ecuadorian, Mexican, and U.S. affairs, not to mention his meddling in Bolivian-Chilean relations on the port issue.

[happeningthang]

[gypsyfish]

When Chavez quoted Chomsky at the UN, he didn't even realize that Chomsky is still alive. He a friggen' genius.

[Wangja]

Who's this Chomsky fellow?

[Adventurer]

[thepeel]

I think you need to do some reading about this Chavez chap, before you start talking about the good he is doing.

One of the most amazing things about Hugo is that, in spite of 60-80$oil, on his watch poverty has actually increased, and then leveled off in his poor nation.

Compare this with, ohhhhhhhhh Alberta. If your leader isn't crazy, oil can be a gift. Hugo is crazy.

[Adventurer]

[thepeel]

I worry about Bush too. Not being Fond of Hugo doesn't mean I like W.

And, generally, I'm not one to play the "your sources are bad" game, but, dude, The Nation? Really? Camon. That reported would have been like a communist kid in a Left Wing candy store.