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Did you hear the bang? North Korea tests a nuclear bomb
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stalinsdad



Joined: 25 Jan 2003
Location: Jeonju

PostPosted: Mon Oct 09, 2006 8:11 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ratslash it's called conditioning.
I'm leaving on Monday with my Korean wife and child for blighty, I just hope this is a storm in a teacup, but I noticed that Korean TV had this on on all 4 main channels from 7pm until-well it's still going on. I think your wifes blase attitude may have changed? I also noticed that there has been panic buying of essentials and many people, both Korean and foreign leaving the country today.
I actually agree with some of the posts that it was a large detonation of TNT but I think the NK have played into the US's hands lovely and any response will be slow but deliberate. Shocked
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NAVFC



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PostPosted: Mon Oct 09, 2006 8:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

DId any of you watch Roh's speech last night? The norks tested a weapon...changing the balance of power of Asia, a profound event by far, and Roh wants to complain about.......Japanese text books.



I think this is dumb. Koreans need to move on about Japan. The Japanese bombed Pearl Harbor, and brutalized our POWs in medical experiments and torture, but were Japan's ally now. Korea can't hold that grudge forever, Japan has apologized before now move on.
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NAVFC



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PostPosted: Mon Oct 09, 2006 8:15 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

stalinsdad wrote:
Ratslash it's called conditioning.
I'm leaving on Monday with my Korean wife and child for blighty, I just hope this is a storm in a teacup, but I noticed that Korean TV had this on on all 4 main channels from 7pm until-well it's still going on. I think your wifes blase attitude may have changed? I also noticed that there has been panic buying of essentials and many people, both Korean and foreign leaving the country today.
I actually agree with some of the posts that it was a large detonation of TNT but I think the NK have played into the US's hands lovely and any response will be slow but deliberate. Shocked



TNT? Come on man. You think the Norks really stuffed enough TNT for a nuke into a tunnel? Thats 550 tons atleast for the explosion rated.
A country in NK's position doesn't waste its resources like that.
It was a nuke.
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stalinsdad



Joined: 25 Jan 2003
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 09, 2006 8:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I would say that nuclear resources are far harder to replenish than conventional one's.
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stalinsdad



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PostPosted: Mon Oct 09, 2006 8:20 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

25 trucks of TNT is totally feasible.
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thepeel



Joined: 08 Aug 2004

PostPosted: Mon Oct 09, 2006 8:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

It is very useful for the Koreans to focus on Japanese history. It keeps the attention off the government while ensuring that Koreans 1) don't generally buy the superior Japanese goods and 2) that the Koreans tolerate the preventive measures taken to keep Japanese goods out. But the biggest benefit of all is an unwavering feeling of victimhood. Of loyalty to the clan, regardless of how retarded the cause. A very useful tool.

Roh isn't able to function as a leader outside of the "Japan/America is bad" framework. Roh is a product of NK propaganda. He would never have been elected if the 386 generation had not so totally absorbed the Norks lies. Roh is the ultimate liability and ought to be forced to spend the rest of his life, without his precious plastic surgery, banished to his precious Takishima in his precious Sea of Japan.
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NAVFC



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PostPosted: Mon Oct 09, 2006 8:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

stalinsdad wrote:
25 trucks of TNT is totally feasible.

25 trucks of TNT WOuldnt be anywhere even close to fulfilling that requirement.
This was 550 tons of TNT.
550 x 2000 lbs
=1,100,000 pounds of TNT.

I have worked with moving munitions before in the military, and I can tell you that even just 100,000 pounds of explosive needed more then 25 trucks to move let alone a million and a hundred thousands pounds.
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NAVFC



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PostPosted: Mon Oct 09, 2006 8:38 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

BJWD wrote:
It is very useful for the Koreans to focus on Japanese history. It keeps the attention off the government while ensuring that Koreans 1) don't generally buy the superior Japanese goods and 2) that the Koreans tolerate the preventive measures taken to keep Japanese goods out. But the biggest benefit of all is an unwavering feeling of victimhood. Of loyalty to the clan, regardless of how retarded the cause. A very useful tool.

Roh isn't able to function as a leader outside of the "Japan/America is bad" framework. Roh is a product of NK propaganda. He would never have been elected if the 386 generation had not so totally absorbed the Norks lies. Roh is the ultimate liability and ought to be forced to spend the rest of his life, without his precious plastic surgery, banished to his precious Takishima in his precious Sea of Japan.


Its still dumb. How many times does Japan have to apologize? EVerytime the Koreans say it isnt good enough. For crying out loud, every nation fighting in world war 2 has either apologized for it's actions (Germany and Japan) or reconcicled with the ones they were fighting.

Will Korea still be complaining about Japan even 100 years later?

I was hoping the NK test would atleast have the effect of making the SK people wake up and smell the coffee.. and the stinkyness of the **** that Roh is full of.
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stalinsdad



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PostPosted: Mon Oct 09, 2006 9:08 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Most trucks carry around 20 tons in their load. True that explosives would be harder to carry in the West where health and safety are paramount, however we are talking NK where life is cheap. I'm sure there is a train track to this site so it is extremely easy to transfer the amount needed. I'm not saying that NK hasn't any nuclear bombs just that this was not 1 of them. This whole incident is high drama and high politics.
1. NK's double bluff(TNT)
2. China's amazing lack of intelligence gathering( Very Happy ) look Kim Jong Il can't take a dump without Beijing being informed. Hence China's bluff.
3. America's full knowledge that this isn't a nuclear bomb-later satellite pictures will show the TNT being loaded and moved by train and lorry into position. (mock surprise/outrage)
4. American and Korean duplicity over economic manipulation(currency).
5. The end game=American need for control of East Asia.
6. How to manipulate and control China and other Asian economies. Trigger a diplomatic incident, see the economies fall, not unlike IMF. Cut Chinese influence and economic might and finally come in for the profits, buy cheap, sell rich.


Likely outcome!!!!!

Americans will pressure UN to sanction NK. UN will chat a bit and do nothing, by November the US will conduct airstrikes on nuclear facilities, unilaterally. China will protest openly, but be relieved. NK will aim to invade by May 2007, but Kim Il Jong will be ousted or flee to Russia with immunity. NK will still be under a harsh regime but not unlike China it will open up slowly. In the meantime Japan will mobilize and the balance of power in the region although tense will have some balance.
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EFLtrainer



Joined: 04 May 2005

PostPosted: Mon Oct 09, 2006 9:17 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

TheUrbanMyth wrote:
EFLtrainer wrote:
Sorry, blackbird, but you cant fight a million+ troops solely with air power. That has been shown every time it's been tried.


Worked quite well against Japan.

All the US would have to do is send in a dozen or so bombers carrying nukes with a escort of fighters. Goodbye North Korea.

You can succesfully fight any number of troops with solely air power. It all depends on how ruthless you want to be. North Korea has been a thorn in America's side for more than half a century. An invasion would be the last straw.


Winning a groun war only through air superiority = dropping atomic bombs.

This is why you are largely irrelevant here, urby. Like Bush, you deliberately twist what people say to pleasure yourself.

Foolish.
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ChimpumCallao



Joined: 17 May 2005
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 09, 2006 5:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

NAVFC wrote:
BJWD wrote:
It is very useful for the Koreans to focus on Japanese history. It keeps the attention off the government while ensuring that Koreans 1) don't generally buy the superior Japanese goods and 2) that the Koreans tolerate the preventive measures taken to keep Japanese goods out. But the biggest benefit of all is an unwavering feeling of victimhood. Of loyalty to the clan, regardless of how retarded the cause. A very useful tool.

Roh isn't able to function as a leader outside of the "Japan/America is bad" framework. Roh is a product of NK propaganda. He would never have been elected if the 386 generation had not so totally absorbed the Norks lies. Roh is the ultimate liability and ought to be forced to spend the rest of his life, without his precious plastic surgery, banished to his precious Takishima in his precious Sea of Japan.


Its still dumb. How many times does Japan have to apologize? EVerytime the Koreans say it isnt good enough. For crying out loud, every nation fighting in world war 2 has either apologized for it's actions (Germany and Japan) or reconcicled with the ones they were fighting.

Will Korea still be complaining about Japan even 100 years later?

I was hoping the NK test would atleast have the effect of making the SK people wake up and smell the coffee.. and the stinkyness of the **** that Roh is full of.


well, roh's myopic political views and the idiots who bought them are pretty much to blame.

there is a rogue communicst nation with delusional plans of domination and the hopes of destroying their capitalist brother and "the great satan", who had been building and testing WOMD's and clearly stating they wanted to go nuclear RIGHT NEXT DOOR.

and roh and the people of the ROK have been concerned about japanese texbooks, some stupid isle, and americans accidetally running over two schoolgirls. these have been the important matters...evil japanese and evil foreigners.

They completely ignored and facilitated and in some ways escalated a dangerous situation. They have no one to blame but themselves. They were too busy trying to play the vicitm card...now it seems the role may actually fit.
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Junior



Joined: 18 Nov 2005
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 09, 2006 5:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

NAVFC wrote:
stalinsdad wrote:
25 trucks of TNT is totally feasible.

25 trucks of TNT WOuldnt be anywhere even close to fulfilling that requirement.
This was 550 tons of TNT.
550 x 2000 lbs
=1,100,000 pounds of TNT.
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Scientists probe North Korea nuke test

With the North Korean blast, there were wide variations. While the French atomic agency estimated around 1 kiloton and South Korea's geological institute half of that, Russia's defense minister expressed "no doubt" that North Korea detonated a nuclear test and said the force of the underground blast was equivalent to 5,000 to 15,000 tons of TNT.

"Within 72 hours we will have full data. Then all this will be available to member states," said Zerbo.

"We'll have the confirmation soon," he said.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20061009/ap_on_sc/detecting_nuclear_tests
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thepeel



Joined: 08 Aug 2004

PostPosted: Mon Oct 09, 2006 6:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Quote:
U.S. intelligence agencies say, based on preliminary indications, that North Korea did not produce its first nuclear blast yesterday, WASHINGTON TIMES star reporter Bill Gertz is set to report in Tuesday editions.

U.S. officials, speaking on the condition of anonymity, said that seismic readings show that the conventional high explosives used to create a chain reaction in a plutonium-based device went off, but that the blast's readings were shy of a typical nuclear detonation.

'There was a seismic event that registered about 4 on the Richter scale, but it still isn't clear if it was a nuclear test. You can get that kind of seismic reading from high explosives.'

The underground explosion, which Pyongyang dubbed a historic nuclear test, is thought to have been the equivalent of several hundred tons of TNT, far short of the several thousand tons of TNT, or kilotons, that are signs of a nuclear blast, the official said. Developing...


http://www.drudgereport.com/
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chronicpride



Joined: 16 Jan 2003

PostPosted: Mon Oct 09, 2006 7:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I just read that, too, but you beat me to the post Smile

Totally not surprised if this proves to be 'smoke and mirrors'.
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EFLtrainer



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PostPosted: Mon Oct 09, 2006 7:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

ChimpumCallao wrote:
well, roh's myopic political views and the idiots who bought them are pretty much to blame.


How ironically myopic. No time now, but will elaborate later.
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