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Big_Bird

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Posted: Mon Oct 09, 2006 4:57 pm Post subject: North Korea's nuclear policy is not irrational at all |
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North Korea's nuclear policy is not irrational at all
We are heading towards another pre-emptive war and Japanese nuclear weapons unless pressure for disarmament revives
Dan Plesch
Tuesday October 10, 2006
The Guardian
North Korea's nuclear test is only the latest failure of the west's proliferation policy. And it demonstrates the need to return to the proven methods of multilateral disarmament. Far from being crazy, the North Korean policy is quite rational. Faced with a US government that believes the communist regime should be removed from the map, the North Koreans pressed ahead with building a deterrent. George Bush stopped the oil supplies to North Korea that had been part of a framework to end its nuclear programme previously agreed with Bill Clinton. Bush had already threatened pre-emptive war - Iraq-style - against a regime he dubbed as belonging to the axis of evil.
The background to North Korea's test is that, since the end of the cold war, the nuclear states have tried to impose a double standard, hanging on to nuclear weapons for themselves and their friends while denying them to others. Like alcoholics condemning teenage drinking, the nuclear powers have made the spread of nuclear weapons the terror of our age, distracting attention from their own behaviour. Western leaders refuse to accept that our own actions encourage others to follow suit.
North Korea's action has now increased the number of nuclear weapon states to nine. Since 1998 India, Pakistan and now North Korea have joined America, China, France, Russia, Israel and the UK.
The domino effect is all too obvious. Britain wants nuclear weapons so long as the French do. India said it would build one if there were no multilateral disarmament talks. Pakistan followed rapidly. In Iran and the Arab world Israel's bomb had always been an incentive to join in. But for my Iranian friends, waking up to a Pakistani bomb can be compared to living in a non-nuclear Britain and waking up to find Belgium had tested a nuclear weapon.
East Asia is unlikely to be different. In 2002 Japan's then chief cabinet secretary, Yasuo Fukuda, told reporters that "depending on the world situation, circumstances and public opinion could require Japan to possess nuclear weapons". The deputy cabinet secretary at the time, Shinzo Abe - now Japan's prime minister - said afterwards that it would be acceptable for Japan to develop small, strategic nuclear weapons.
It was not supposed to be like this. At the end of the cold war, disarmament treaties were being signed, and in 1996 the big powers finally agreed to stop testing nuclear weapons for the first time since 1945. The public, the pressure groups and the media all breathed a great sigh of relief and forgot about the bomb. Everyone thought that with the Soviet Union gone, multilateral disarmament would accelerate.
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Wangja

Joined: 17 May 2004 Location: Seoul, Yongsan
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Posted: Mon Oct 09, 2006 5:03 pm Post subject: |
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Unusually good from the Guradain. (Thank God for spell checkers).
For Japan and SK to go nuclear would probably not take long: weren't SK up to it a while back? |
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Boodleheimer

Joined: 10 Mar 2006 Location: working undercover for the Man
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Posted: Mon Oct 09, 2006 5:16 pm Post subject: |
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i read some crazy, naive responses on the BBC's readers' forum.
for the love of God, nukes are now in the hands of an irrational freak! at least with Pakistan and India there was some sort of balance. KJI doesn't really care if loads of his people are killed. |
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Boodleheimer

Joined: 10 Mar 2006 Location: working undercover for the Man
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Posted: Mon Oct 09, 2006 5:17 pm Post subject: |
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| KWhitehead wrote: |
| for the love of God, nukes are now in the hands of an irrational freak! |
okay, counting Bush, two irrational freaks. |
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Big_Bird

Joined: 31 Jan 2003 Location: Sometimes here sometimes there...
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Posted: Mon Oct 09, 2006 5:21 pm Post subject: |
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| Sigh...keeping up with the irrational Jones... |
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Big_Bird

Joined: 31 Jan 2003 Location: Sometimes here sometimes there...
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Big_Bird

Joined: 31 Jan 2003 Location: Sometimes here sometimes there...
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Posted: Mon Oct 09, 2006 9:36 pm Post subject: |
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| Wangja wrote: |
Unusually good from the Guradain. (Thank God for spell checkers).
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Not a fan of The Guardian eh? Perhaps this is more to your liking eh?
Or how about this lurid editorial...
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A new threat
IN an instant, the world�s eyes have turned from Osama Bin Laden to a suicide bomber on the world stage: Kim Jong-il.
This lunatic has single-handedly revived the spectre of Armageddon for the first time since the Cold War.
It is not just the new arms race he may have started. Or the horrifying possibility he might attack the U.S.
More likely, and therefore more chilling, is that he will arm rogue Islamic states like Iran with nukes.
What�s the solution? Military force could unleash the nuclear nightmare.
Sanctions would condemn to an even earlier death millions of starving North Koreans forced to eat tree bark while Kim scoffs lobster.
There are only two straws to clutch: that China can rein in the madman on its doorstep. North Korea needs Chinese energy � Kim included.
The other is that this paranoid fantasist�s plans are limited to rattling his sabre.
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jaganath69

Joined: 17 Jul 2003
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Posted: Tue Oct 10, 2006 1:15 am Post subject: |
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| You should know The Scum is only good for its page three *beep* and celebrity gossip. |
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Big_Bird

Joined: 31 Jan 2003 Location: Sometimes here sometimes there...
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Posted: Tue Oct 10, 2006 1:55 pm Post subject: |
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| jaganath69 wrote: |
| You should know The Scum is only good for its page three *beep* and celebrity gossip. |
Oh aye? I thought the usual excuse one gave for buying The Sun was that it has a 'good sports section.'  |
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Wangja

Joined: 17 May 2004 Location: Seoul, Yongsan
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Posted: Tue Oct 10, 2006 3:10 pm Post subject: |
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| Big_Bird wrote: |
| Wangja wrote: |
Unusually good from the Guradain. (Thank God for spell checkers).
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Not a fan of The Guardian eh? Perhaps this is more to your liking eh?
Or how about this lurid editorial...
| The Sun Says wrote: |
A new threat
IN an instant, the world�s eyes have turned from Osama Bin Laden to a suicide bomber on the world stage: Kim Jong-il.
This lunatic has single-handedly revived the spectre of Armageddon for the first time since the Cold War.
It is not just the new arms race he may have started. Or the horrifying possibility he might attack the U.S.
More likely, and therefore more chilling, is that he will arm rogue Islamic states like Iran with nukes.
What�s the solution? Military force could unleash the nuclear nightmare.
Sanctions would condemn to an even earlier death millions of starving North Koreans forced to eat tree bark while Kim scoffs lobster.
There are only two straws to clutch: that China can rein in the madman on its doorstep. North Korea needs Chinese energy � Kim included.
The other is that this paranoid fantasist�s plans are limited to rattling his sabre.
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hahaha, The Sun is always good for a chuckle. Kinda like the English equivalent of Fox News.
(Teletiger man missen). |
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Big_Bird

Joined: 31 Jan 2003 Location: Sometimes here sometimes there...
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Posted: Thu Oct 12, 2006 3:20 am Post subject: |
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| Wangja wrote: |
hahaha, The Sun is always good for a chuckle. |
The writers must piss themselves. The Sun Says always cracks me up. |
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safeblad
Joined: 17 Jul 2006
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Posted: Thu Oct 12, 2006 3:27 am Post subject: |
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| Big_Bird wrote: |
| jaganath69 wrote: |
| You should know The Scum is only good for its page three *beep* and celebrity gossip. |
Oh aye? I thought the usual excuse one gave for buying The Sun was that it has a 'good sports section.'  |
It does have a good sports section! I like the way the sentences are writen like bullet points so its easy to understand  |
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