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captain kirk
Joined: 29 Jan 2003
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 Posted: Thu Oct 12, 2006 3:50 am Post subject: Espresso machine. Want to buy one. Where? (would you know). |
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I had an espresso making machine which was black and cost forty bucks which I got from Walmart a couple of years ago. It was great fun getting a morning kick and another after work. Wound and wound and wound up.
I've since checked the local (Daegu) Walmart and that item has been discontinued at least at that branch.
Has anyone seen a moderately priced electric espresso making machine? I'm heading up to Seoul this weekend if anyone has seen one....(this is the electric type and not the aluminum, hourglass shaped, stovetop Italian type).
Thanks... |
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cdninkorea
Joined: 27 Jan 2006
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Thu Oct 12, 2006 4:25 am Post subject: |
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Starbucks sells them (maybe not all of them), but I don't know how much they cost (they're probably expensive).
Maybe Costco? |
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ddeubel
Joined: 20 Jul 2005
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| Posted: Thu Oct 12, 2006 5:52 am Post subject: |
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Hey I bought a Delonghi, full , commercial espresso maker on clearance at Walmart back home. 74 bucks.
Here it starts at about 600,000.............
Better to just get one when you fly home and use an adapter.
DD |
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captain kirk
Joined: 29 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Thu Oct 12, 2006 9:41 pm Post subject: |
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| Yeah I'll try different Walmart branches and Costco, both sort of western marts. Thanks. |
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Novernae
Joined: 02 Mar 2005
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| Posted: Fri Oct 13, 2006 8:34 am Post subject: |
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| ddeubel wrote: |
| Hey I bought a Delonghi, full , commercial espresso maker on clearance at Walmart back home. 74 bucks. |
Don't be silly. You did not. A "full, commercial espresso maker" would cost, at the bare minimum, $1000, and that would be for a pretty cheap one. Decent, commercial-quality home units run $1400 and up, and even some of the machines in that price range are really just high quality prosumer machines.
What you bought is known as a steam toy, so called because instead of forcing water through the grinds at between 8-9 bar (under mechanical force), it instead forces water under steam pressure (at significantly below the necessary pressure for espresso extraction) through the grinds. (I know, the box said it provides 15 bar of pressure, but it's flat-out lying. Besides, espresso extracted at 15 bar would be vile swill at best.)
To the OP, if you really want to make espresso at home in Korea, you're going to have to look into roasting your own beans. Espresso has to be brewed with fresh beans, no older than 10 days roasted. If that sounds crazy, consider that you can A: roast for the cost of a heat gun, stainless steel bowl, and wooden spoon, and B: that roasting your own coffee is considerably cheaper than buying the garbage on the shelves here. It will also be the freshest, best coffee you've probably ever had. PM me if you want more info. |
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ddeubel
Joined: 20 Jul 2005
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| Posted: Fri Oct 13, 2006 3:59 pm Post subject: |
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| What you bought is known as a steam toy, so called because instead of forcing water through the grinds at between 8-9 bar (under mechanical force), it instead forces water under steam pressure (at significantly below the necessary pressure for espresso extraction) through the grinds. (I know, the box said it provides 15 bar of pressure, but it's flat-out lying. Besides, espresso extracted at 15 bar would be vile swill at best.) |
well it tastes good, makes better espresso than my old starbucks machine. Of course you can go to the nth degree .......
by the way. Years ago I drank Jamaican high mountain coffee. The world's best, by far in my opinion. One day the small shop at home stopped selling it. I ended up at the lakeshore in Toronto and finally talking to a coffee importer. He told me the Japanese bought the supply for the next 20 years.
Has anyone ever had this coffee in Japan? It is godly and don't confuse it with its lowly copy, Blue Mountain. ......this coffee really gets you high and Balzac would have invented surrealism if he'd of got some..
DD |
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Cohiba
Joined: 01 Feb 2005
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eamo
Joined: 08 Mar 2003
Location: Shepherd's Bush, 1964.
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| Posted: Fri Oct 13, 2006 5:04 pm Post subject: |
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Lotte Department store has a nice little Delonghi espresso/cappucino machine on sale for 100,000. Reduced from 175,000 I think. It's a nice little thing. I was tempted to buy it myself but I'm after a machine that grinds too and it didn't grind. My life story right there!!  |
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Novernae
Joined: 02 Mar 2005
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| Posted: Fri Oct 13, 2006 6:05 pm Post subject: |
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| ddeubel wrote: |
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| What you bought is known as a steam toy, so called because instead of forcing water through the grinds at between 8-9 bar (under mechanical force), it instead forces water under steam pressure (at significantly below the necessary pressure for espresso extraction) through the grinds. (I know, the box said it provides 15 bar of pressure, but it's flat-out lying. Besides, espresso extracted at 15 bar would be vile swill at best.) |
well it tastes good, makes better espresso than my old starbucks machine. Of course you can go to the nth degree ....... |
If you're enjoying your coffee, then that's great. However, from a technical standpoint, coffee does not become espresso until it is extracted at 8-9 bar at about 94C. Anything less than that is still coffee, but it is not espresso.
You don't have to go to the nth degree to get decent espresso, but it will cost you more than a couple hundred bucks. That said, I would love to go to the nth degree.... Marzocco GS3... *drools* |
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dogbert
Joined: 29 Jan 2003
Location: Killbox 90210
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| Posted: Sun Oct 15, 2006 12:26 am Post subject: |
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| Costco in Yangjae has DeLonghis at 190k. |
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Ron Stevens
Joined: 10 Feb 2006
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| Posted: Mon Oct 16, 2006 7:29 am Post subject: |
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| Novernae wrote: |
| ddeubel wrote: |
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| What you bought is known as a steam toy, so called because instead of forcing water through the grinds at between 8-9 bar (under mechanical force), it instead forces water under steam pressure (at significantly below the necessary pressure for espresso extraction) through the grinds. (I know, the box said it provides 15 bar of pressure, but it's flat-out lying. Besides, espresso extracted at 15 bar would be vile swill at best.) |
well it tastes good, makes better espresso than my old starbucks machine. Of course you can go to the nth degree ....... |
If you're enjoying your coffee, then that's great. However, from a technical standpoint, coffee does not become espresso until it is extracted at 8-9 bar at about 94C. Anything less than that is still coffee, but it is not espresso.
You don't have to go to the nth degree to get decent espresso, but it will cost you more than a couple hundred bucks. That said, I would love to go to the nth degree.... Marzocco GS3... *drools* |
you're being a liitle absurd some of these home espresso machines used with a good grinder and decent fresh roasted beans can produce a good brew better than 90% of whats avail in cafes here |
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discostar23
Joined: 22 Feb 2004
Location: getting the hell out of dodge
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| Posted: Mon Oct 16, 2006 4:21 pm Post subject: |
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| eamo wrote: |
| Lotte Department store has a nice little Delonghi espresso/cappucino machine on sale for 100,000. Reduced from 175,000 I think. It's a nice little thing. I was tempted to buy it myself but I'm after a machine that grinds too and it didn't grind. My life story right there!! |
I have had this machine for about two years now. Use it everyday. Unfortuneately though it has been leaking like a mofo these days but still brews a good cup of coffee. You can buy beans and take them into the lotte dept store and they will grind them for you, no problem.
as for the agrument of real espresso, we're in korea, use your imagination. |
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Novernae
Joined: 02 Mar 2005
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| Posted: Mon Oct 16, 2006 6:46 pm Post subject: |
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| Ron Stevens wrote: |
| Novernae wrote: |
| ddeubel wrote: |
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| What you bought is known as a steam toy, so called because instead of forcing water through the grinds at between 8-9 bar (under mechanical force), it instead forces water under steam pressure (at significantly below the necessary pressure for espresso extraction) through the grinds. (I know, the box said it provides 15 bar of pressure, but it's flat-out lying. Besides, espresso extracted at 15 bar would be vile swill at best.) |
well it tastes good, makes better espresso than my old starbucks machine. Of course you can go to the nth degree ....... |
If you're enjoying your coffee, then that's great. However, from a technical standpoint, coffee does not become espresso until it is extracted at 8-9 bar at about 94C. Anything less than that is still coffee, but it is not espresso.
You don't have to go to the nth degree to get decent espresso, but it will cost you more than a couple hundred bucks. That said, I would love to go to the nth degree.... Marzocco GS3... *drools* |
you're being a liitle absurd some of these home espresso machines used with a good grinder and decent fresh roasted beans can produce a good brew better than 90% of whats avail in cafes here |
How am I being absurd? Just because something is better than garbage doesn't mean it is good. It just means it's better than garbage. What these little home espresso machines will produce is an acidic, over-extracted, bitter cup of coffee. There are home machines that produce quality espresso, but they cost $200 new in the States, and much more here.
Unless you're roasting your own coffee, having it shipped in weekly from overseas (and roasted the day it is shipped), or buying from one of the handful of roasters in Korea, you aren't getting fresh coffee.
Maybe you have a steam toy and I've offended you. Sorry about that. But espresso is espresso, and nothing else. Steam toys don't make espresso. I never said the coffee these machines made was garbage--I just said they weren't espresso. |
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Hollywoodaction
Joined: 02 Jul 2004
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| Posted: Mon Oct 16, 2006 7:58 pm Post subject: |
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| ddeubel wrote: |
Hey I bought a Delonghi, full , commercial espresso maker on clearance at Walmart back home. 74 bucks.
Here it starts at about 600,000.............
Better to just get one when you fly home and use an adapter.
DD |
Oh, man. You can't gloat without giving us the model number. I got a crappy Delonghi models (it goes for about 65 000 won now, but it was 180 000 when I bought it)...well, I thought it was crappy until I had my first espresso at one of the upscale coffee shops in Kangnam (not even an 1/8th of an inch of crema!). |
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Ron Stevens
Joined: 10 Feb 2006
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| Posted: Tue Oct 17, 2006 12:47 am Post subject: |
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| Novernae wrote: |
| Ron Stevens wrote: |
| Novernae wrote: |
| ddeubel wrote: |
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| What you bought is known as a steam toy, so called because instead of forcing water through the grinds at between 8-9 bar (under mechanical force), it instead forces water under steam pressure (at significantly below the necessary pressure for espresso extraction) through the grinds. (I know, the box said it provides 15 bar of pressure, but it's flat-out lying. Besides, espresso extracted at 15 bar would be vile swill at best.) |
well it tastes good, makes better espresso than my old starbucks machine. Of course you can go to the nth degree ....... |
If you're enjoying your coffee, then that's great. However, from a technical standpoint, coffee does not become espresso until it is extracted at 8-9 bar at about 94C. Anything less than that is still coffee, but it is not espresso.
You don't have to go to the nth degree to get decent espresso, but it will cost you more than a couple hundred bucks. That said, I would love to go to the nth degree.... Marzocco GS3... *drools* |
you're being a liitle absurd some of these home espresso machines used with a good grinder and decent fresh roasted beans can produce a good brew better than 90% of whats avail in cafes here |
How am I being absurd? Just because something is better than garbage doesn't mean it is good. It just means it's better than garbage. What these little home espresso machines will produce is an acidic, over-extracted, bitter cup of coffee. There are home machines that produce quality espresso, but they cost $200 new in the States, and much more here.
Unless you're roasting your own coffee, having it shipped in weekly from overseas (and roasted the day it is shipped), or buying from one of the handful of roasters in Korea, you aren't getting fresh coffee.
Maybe you have a steam toy and I've offended you. Sorry about that. But espresso is espresso, and nothing else. Steam toys don't make espresso. I never said the coffee these machines made was garbage--I just said they weren't espresso. |
i was using a saeco machine with a nemox grinder. i've had the saeco for years, it's a solid well made stainless steel unit cost me about $400us and $170 for the grinder which is also an excellent machine
i wasn't offended i just thought it was inaccurate to suggest you needed to spend $1000 plus to get an acceptable coffee at home |
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