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Novernae
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I don't support the pirating of media because the artists lose royalties, but I like it when people make fake designer clothes. It's a kind of revenge. I think it's wrong for a shirt company to charge $100 for a shirt which they had made in some sweatshop for $5. Oh yeah, I know, I know. They have to pay the marketing people. Screw them!  |
Artists (ie designers) don't lose out on pirated clothes? If this is how you feel you should look into the cost of making a CD, and then look into the unfair tariffs record labels applied to blank media under the premise that they would drop their prices to fair levels, which they never did. Then you'll understand where to get your revenge.  How much do you think an artist makes from each CD? Any artist I've ever talked to has always said they prefer you attend concerts over buying a CD. |
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Dev
Joined: 18 Apr 2006
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| Posted: Thu Oct 12, 2006 4:38 pm Post subject: |
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| Novernae wrote: |
| Dev wrote: |
| I don't support the pirating of media because the artists lose royalties, but I like it when people make fake designer clothes. It's a kind of revenge. I think it's wrong for a shirt company to charge $100 for a shirt which they had made in some sweatshop for $5. Oh yeah, I know, I know. They have to pay the marketing people. Screw them! |
Artists (ie designers) don't lose out on pirated clothes? If this is how you feel you should look into the cost of making a CD, and then look into the unfair tariffs record labels applied to blank media under the premise that they would drop their prices to fair levels, which they never did. Then you'll understand where to get your revenge. How much do you think an artist makes from each CD? Any artist I've ever talked to has always said they prefer you attend concerts over buying a CD. |
On second thought, screw the musicians too. They charge $35 for a t-shirt at concerts. That kind of pricing is not respectful to the fans. |
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mindmetoo
Joined: 02 Feb 2004
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| Posted: Thu Oct 12, 2006 5:11 pm Post subject: |
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On second thought, screw the musicians too. They charge $35 for a t-shirt at concerts. That kind of pricing is not respectful to the fans. |
In a way. Their argument is selling tshirts is about the only way they can make money, especially for young bands. Young bands are on the hook for years for all kinds of development costs. Takes about 3 albums before a band can start making money off of actual record sales. |
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Ilsanman
Joined: 15 Aug 2003
Location: Bucheon, Korea
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| Posted: Mon Oct 16, 2006 7:51 am Post subject: yes |
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Sounds like typical crap system here protecting their own.
If Starbucks were to pull out of Korea, it woudn't have much effect on the economy here, but it would set an example. If 5 or 6 big chains moved out, it would set an example for future companies that want to move in here.
Alas, they're too greedy and would never leave here as long as agasshis line up to pay for overpriced coffee. |
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ChopChaeJoe
Joined: 05 Mar 2006
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Mon Oct 16, 2006 2:22 pm Post subject: |
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| Only a total idjit is going to be faked out by a sign similar to Starbucks in thinking that they actually are in a Starbucks. The case had no merit. Just some giant coffee monolith tryin to use the courts to crush it's rivals. |
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mindmetoo
Joined: 02 Feb 2004
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| Posted: Mon Oct 16, 2006 4:31 pm Post subject: |
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| ChopChaeJoe wrote: |
| Only a total idjit is going to be faked out by a sign similar to Starbucks in thinking that they actually are in a Starbucks. The case had no merit. Just some giant coffee monolith tryin to use the courts to crush it's rivals. |
Idiots buy coffee too. I don't believe that's the argument, however. The notion is weakening product identity. Companies like to have a very distinct, unique product. Many products are technically undifferentiated in of themselves. Rolled oats. Vodka. Cigarettes. So companies spend large amounts of money trying to get you to make basic hardwired human associations, some warranted, some conceived in a crack pipe (drink this beer and hot women will press their giant sloops against you in bars).
A green round logo with friendly letters and a sea creature in the middle means the coffee and service inside are top drawer. If green round logos with sea creatures in the middle begin to stand for anything, that's a lot of Starbucks marketing and goodwill in the toilet.
Indeed, consider McDonald's and the use of Mc' for things like McJob. |
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Ilsanman
Joined: 15 Aug 2003
Location: Bucheon, Korea
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| Posted: Mon Oct 16, 2006 9:29 pm Post subject: yes |
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Ixnay on the 5000 years, we all know that's a crock of shit.
Mindmetoo, you are way off topic. It's not about a green circle being the symbol of great (?) coffee. It's about having no respect for copyright and patent laws.
When the shoe is on the other foot (Chinese companies undermining Korean companies and stealing their technology), the Koreans don't accept it well. Total hypocrites.
This kind of incident just shows how Koreans view other people's property.
Though I am not looking to defend a large corporation, as I guess they have felt minimal losses due to this case, it sets an example for other companies to do the same thing.
| hellofaniceguy wrote: |
This has been covered before...but....pray tell me koreans....name 5 things that koreans have invented that the world benefits from? A 5000 year old history....surly you can name hundreds!
And I mean actually invented....not copied and call it korean.
OK then...name 4 things.
3? |
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Gaber
Joined: 23 Apr 2006
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| Posted: Mon Oct 16, 2006 10:18 pm Post subject: |
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| According to Arirang last night, the Korean patent office issued the 4th most of any in the world last year. Assuming there actual fresh patents, they must be coming up with some new. |
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JeJuJitsu
Joined: 11 Sep 2005
Location: McDonald's
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| Posted: Tue Oct 17, 2006 5:49 pm Post subject: |
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| According to Arirang last night, the Korean patent office issued the 4th most of any in the world last year. Assuming there actual fresh patents, they must be coming up with some new. |
Arirang also said last night that their "wildlife supports BILLIONS of species, and that Korea has the most diverse wildlife in the world."  Yes, above that of Africa, or the Amazon... |
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Ilsanman
Joined: 15 Aug 2003
Location: Bucheon, Korea
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| Posted: Tue Oct 17, 2006 7:45 pm Post subject: yes |
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Yes, Arirang is a load of crap too.
Korea have the widest range of bacteria and mold species, maybe.
Or the most mutated fish in the river. That's all. |
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laogaiguk
Joined: 06 Dec 2005
Location: somewhere in Korea
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| Posted: Tue Oct 17, 2006 7:55 pm Post subject: |
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| According to Arirang last night, the Korean patent office issued the 4th most of any in the world last year. Assuming there actual fresh patents, they must be coming up with some new. |
Arirang also said last night that their "wildlife supports BILLIONS of species, and that Korea has the most diverse wildlife in the world." Yes, above that of Africa, or the Amazon... |
I sure hope they weren't counting the ocean in that, cause who knows how many species are down there. |
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ajgeddes
Joined: 28 Apr 2004
Location: Yongsan
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| Posted: Tue Oct 17, 2006 8:25 pm Post subject: |
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| Anybody ever see the 'Starbacks' coffee shop in Carrefour? It was written in the exact same lettering, solid green block letters, that 'Starbucks' is always written in. |
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mindmetoo
Joined: 02 Feb 2004
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| Posted: Tue Oct 17, 2006 10:29 pm Post subject: Re: yes |
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| Ilsanman wrote: |
Mindmetoo, you are way off topic. It's not about a green circle being the symbol of great (?) coffee. It's about having no respect for copyright and patent laws. |
I'm simply responding to the notion that a company should not protect its trademarks as consumers with something more than functioning brain stems can figure out the difference. Yes, but in that brain stem there is more at play. |
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hellofaniceguy
Joined: 10 Jan 2003
Location: On your computer screen!
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| Posted: Wed Oct 18, 2006 1:25 am Post subject: |
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[quote I don't support the pirating of media because the artists lose royalties, but I like it when people make fake designer clothes. It's a kind of revenge. I think it's wrong for a shirt company to charge $100 for a shirt which they had made in some sweatshop for $5. Oh yeah, I know, I know. They have to pay the marketing people. Screw them! [/quote]
It's not the fault of the companies who sell shirts or whatever for $100.00....it's the fault of you and me who buy it!
We can't blame anything on someone else....it's people who buy.
Easy solution...don't buy! |
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