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are you a real teacher?
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what kind of teacher are you?
a real teacher with qualifications
42%
 42%  [ 61 ]
a real teacher without qualifications
17%
 17%  [ 25 ]
a real teacher with qualifications in progress
10%
 10%  [ 15 ]
a backpacking cowbow
4%
 4%  [ 6 ]
just here for the money
7%
 7%  [ 11 ]
my lesson plan is bingo and hangman 5 days a week
3%
 3%  [ 5 ]
a lesson plan, what's that?
4%
 4%  [ 6 ]
none of the above
9%
 9%  [ 13 ]
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Hotel Cheonan



Joined: 08 Apr 2003
Location: Gwangju

PostPosted: Tue Apr 22, 2003 6:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm curious . . .

How many people come over here to be serious teachers? I always got the feeling that wasn't the reason why most people come over here to teach.
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kimcheeking
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 22, 2003 6:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hotel Cheonan wrote:
I'm curious . . .

How many people come over here to be serious teachers? I always got the feeling that wasn't the reason why most people come over here to teach.


that's probably true, is for me. But, like myself, I think a lot of people do change and become serious teachers. For me it happened because I decided that I truly enjoy teaching ESL and I want to have a secure future when I decide to go back to Canada. Having qualifications and experience will/should go a long way towards that.
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kimcheeking
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 19, 2003 1:22 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

*bump* just for MODYBA
http://www.eslcafe.com/forums/korea/viewtopic.php?t=8354&start=90
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Zyzyfer



Joined: 29 Jan 2003
Location: who, what, where, when, why, how?

PostPosted: Tue Aug 19, 2003 5:20 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mody Ba wrote:
are you a real teacher?


no
i'm a ninja teacher
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captain kirk



Joined: 29 Jan 2003

PostPosted: Tue Aug 19, 2003 6:26 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

bobster's comment re; 'pride' and 'dignity' and how these battered keepsakes have to be jettisoned to enter the world of children. absolutely. well said. kids totally hack around, ninja each other's egos with savage delight. it's a topsy turvey totally happening world, immediate.
real teacher? seven years in hagwons now. when i started i was horrendous. when i look at the 'bingo playing/hangman playing' teacher description now i can't believe it. but that's what i did my first contract. the boss said 'just teach'. culture shocked, uptight, frustrated at the kids not having fun and the book being flatline dull, i played bingo with them until being let go early. it was one of those illegal 11 month contracts anyway.
next contract it was the same deal. the boss said, 'just teach'. this time it was meeting a different class each day, every day, all week. so they saw me once a week, the momma of all hagwons. and i was determined to get creative. so i drew 'picture dictionary' type drawings on the board. pirate ship, factory, city, house, and so on. labelled them while talking about what the words for the details were. after three months, the boss confided that most of the kids, most of the time, had no idea what i was talking about. suddenly it was IMF, and i went to tawain.
by the time i got there i'd been 'teaching' a total of fourteen months in korea. this school in taiwan, a franchise, was totally together. modules. daily lessons all layed out. each kid had five different books to cover the modules; grammar, phonics, dialgue, etc. all splayed for them and teacher to see the parts. THAT's where i 'learned' to be a teacher, to deliver components. until then it had been 'just teach, here's the book'. the recruiter said 'be a clown, if you're not funny the kids won't like you and your director will fire you'.
after taiwan a semester, back in korea, i was a 'teacher' at least up to par with what a 'teacher' is in a hagwon. but still too 'serious', not interacting with enough glee with the individual kids creating a reparte. yeah, becoming a teacher is by 'experience'. two years there, then another korean school but boobytrapped by morning kindy. another korean job then this one. the main determining factor is how much 'teacher' loves what he's doing most of the day. get as funny, spontaneous, and hilarious as possible. while minding they are on track and following the details, 'learning english', that we are obliging. 'teacher' sets the tone, and if you're smack dab in the middle of digging the moment with these very potentially wonderful little comedians, then there's nowhere else to be.
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kiwiboy_nz_99



Joined: 05 Jul 2003
Location: ...Enlightenment...

PostPosted: Tue Aug 19, 2003 7:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

CaptainKirk ... solid! again!

For me, I teach adults. And I would say, I'm good when I plan, and I plan about half the time. I'm qualified, and I read. So, knowing what to do is not the problem. It's getting up off my goldang ass and DOING it that's my stumbling block.

My goal, to work on my motivation. I want to love the planning as much as the execution. Sinse this is my gig, I want to become a jedi.
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Ilsanman



Joined: 15 Aug 2003
Location: Bucheon, Korea

PostPosted: Tue Aug 19, 2003 7:54 am    Post subject: us Reply with quote

us ESL teachers are the amoeba of the teaching world.
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kiwiboy_nz_99



Joined: 05 Jul 2003
Location: ...Enlightenment...

PostPosted: Tue Aug 19, 2003 8:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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us ESL teachers are the amoeba of the teaching world

Having a low self esteem day bro? We're not that bad. I have a Dip ed (English) and find esl far more complex and challenging that high-school English. And yes, I should plan more.
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kimcheeking
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 19, 2003 2:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

kiwiboy_nz_99 wrote:

My goal, to work on my motivation. I want to love the planning as much as the execution. Sinse this is my gig, I want to become a jedi.


Me too... I have trouble motivating myself to make real kick-as$ plans. ooooooh... Jedi-teacher

Maybe I can be Modyba's padiwan learner, but then again maybe not. Do or do not, there is no try - Yoda
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ulsanchris



Joined: 19 Jun 2003
Location: take a wild guess

PostPosted: Tue Aug 19, 2003 3:55 pm    Post subject: hmm Reply with quote

I'm trying to be a real teacher. I find it dificult because I've had no training; i have no outside input on to how to improve my classes, and no guidence from a more experienced teacher. Trying to do it on my own, which is tough.
This is my second year teaching here and the school that I am teaching at is really tough on me. I had a whole class decide to hate me on my first day and it has been a constant source of irritation. this class is improving though. A lot of the kids don't have any basic skills and I have to go back and teach them the skills. But they don't want to go over it because they have done it. The kids attitudes towards english wasn't that great when i got here but it is slowly improving. My boss' policies keep losing students. There have been 5 korean teachers since I have arrived here so its tough to build a good working relationship with any of them and to coordinate our efforts. there will be a sixth one pretty soon I think. However I am trying to improve myself and make lessons plans and lots of materials and activities for the students to do. Always keep them busy. I'm trying to be as student centred as possible. I've read a book on it, and it has helped, but it is not the same as seeing it done.
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captain kirk



Joined: 29 Jan 2003

PostPosted: Wed Aug 20, 2003 1:17 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

while of course taking care of business IMHO the pinnacle of achievement is to be a clown. if you can't be a clown then be a buffoon. barring that be a jackass. if being a jackass is unrealizable, then be a dumbass. if that seems impossible then be yourself; it'll have to do. via 'the great teacher', experience, attempt to steadily work your way up to 'professional bozo'.
'esl is being the ameoba of the teaching world'. now that's just plain mean. i prefer bottom feeder.
yeah, ulsanchris, i had 'whole classes deciding they didn't like me' too. i had stagefright, and was talking AT them too much. maybe using words they didn't understand forgetting who i was talking to. pissed at the book, not getting any coaching, and new at 'maintaining class discipline' while appearing to them to be nervous and 'proceeding' haltingly. 'there's no fool worse than an uptight fool'. 'fool' in the sense of 'professional(esl) jester'.


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the_beaver



Joined: 15 Jan 2003

PostPosted: Wed Aug 20, 2003 1:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

kiwiboy_nz_99 wrote:
I'm good when I plan, and I plan about half the time. I'm qualified, and I read. So, knowing what to do is not the problem. It's getting up off my goldang ass and DOING it that's my stumbling block.


Interesting. I can't not plan for a class. The class is constantly on my mind until I write down the plan.
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kiwiboy_nz_99



Joined: 05 Jul 2003
Location: ...Enlightenment...

PostPosted: Wed Aug 20, 2003 4:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Interesting. I can't not plan for a class. The class is constantly on my mind until I write down the plan.

I'm jealous, you're probably very good then. At least I can say say I do the first bit, I do think about classes a lot. This is going to be my semester of writing a plan for every single class ( he said hopefully )
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bucheon bum



Joined: 16 Jan 2003

PostPosted: Wed Aug 20, 2003 4:46 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

well how much time do you put into planning Beaver? I'm the same with you, I have to plan. On the other hand, I don't put much effort into planning. That is, I come up with 3-4 things to do for each class and then move on to plan the next class. The whole process takes me around 30-45 minutes each day (for 6 classes). Not exactly a hell of a lot of time but a) After doing this for a year and doing the same book numerous times, cuts down on the prep time b) I don't have much to work with.

Like Kirk, my two hogwon jobs here in Korea were "just teach" positions. The first one at least had some kind of curriculum whereas the 2nd time around I just have a storybook to work with. The rest of it is up to me. Given the circumstances, I'd say I'm doing ok.

On the other hand, I'm totally not motivated to read about teaching techniques and other information that could assist me. I'm a lazy bastard when it comes to certain things. Thankfully, I'm not planning to make a career out of ESL.
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kimcheeking
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 20, 2003 5:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

bucheon bum wrote:
well how much time do you put into planning Beaver? I'm the same with you, I have to plan. On the other hand, I don't put much effort into planning. That is, I come up with 3-4 things to do for each class and then move on to plan the next class. The whole process takes me around 30-45 minutes each day (for 6 classes). Not exactly a hell of a lot of time but a) After doing this for a year and doing the same book numerous times, cuts down on the prep time b) I don't have much to work with.


When it's a lesson I've taught before I generally take about 5-10 minutes to review what I need to do and make sure I have any resources I need ready to photocopy.

If it's a new lesson then it takes anywhere from 20 to 60 minutes depending on what I want to do and how much time I need to research or prepare new materials/handouts.

The beaver, I know puts in more time than I do - that guy is the hardest working person I have ever known.
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