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Zoidberg
Joined: 29 Mar 2006
Location: Somewhere too hot for my delicate marine constitution
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| "-used illegal drugs and drank excessively, hurled abuse at Mills and made her cancel an operation on the leg she lost in a traffic accident before they married because it interfered with his holiday plans. |
If he indeed did these things before they got married, then she is a fool, because she knew he had control issues. It is the contention of many on this thread that she is all about getting his money. Your post makes that seem all the more likely, as no one sane would want someone like that unless snuffling after his wallet.
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This is interesting. I criticise a hasbeen musician, and you react like a muslim at the mispronunciation of allah. Do you have a beetle shrine in your bedroom? Do you bow before a picture of Mr cartney every morning? Or were you just one of his groupies crying at a concert?
Your role model is a sicko who wrote songs about killing little girls.
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"Bang bang Maxwells silver hammer came down upon her head
Bang bang Maxwells silver hammer made sure that she was dead" |
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I couldn't care less about Paul McCartney, he is no more and no less than any other human being. What I care about is people judging others on the basis of no evidence.
What's that I hear, some women yelling. Better run along now and rescue them, and leave the discussion to those with full use of their mental faculties. |
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Junior
Joined: 18 Nov 2005
Location: the eye
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| Posted: Thu Oct 19, 2006 11:27 pm Post subject: |
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What I care about is people judging others on the basis of no evidence.
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Of course: thats for the courts. I doubt Heather's allegations have any legal gravity. I never said he was definitely guilty. I was just offering an opinion. And that was..don't let your hero-worship blind you to the fact that he might possibly be human. |
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Zoidberg
Joined: 29 Mar 2006
Location: Somewhere too hot for my delicate marine constitution
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| Posted: Fri Oct 20, 2006 12:00 am Post subject: |
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What I care about is people judging others on the basis of no evidence.
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Of course: thats for the courts. I doubt Heather's allegations have any legal gravity. I never said he was definitely guilty. I was just offering an opinion. And that was..don't let your hero-worship blind you to the fact that he might possibly be human. |
That was not what opined earlier. You said she should get at least half his worth. If, as you say, her allegations have no real merit, then she clearly should get bugger all. This would be the case with any case of this nature.
And I should repeat: I have no interest in McCartney at all. Of course he is human, and a somewhat dissolute specimen if what you say is true. I don't really know anything about him at all, except what has been said on this thread.
But, thanks anyway, you've proved my arguments with your above post.
1) The evidence (as we know it) suggests she is lying.
2) You are an idiot who can't even keep his own opinion consistent. |
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Ya-ta Boy
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
Location: Established in 1994
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| Posted: Fri Oct 20, 2006 1:44 am Post subject: |
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| Hey Jude was written to Julian Lennon |
Someone told me it was about Dylan. |
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Doogie
Joined: 19 Jan 2006
Location: Hwaseong City
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| Posted: Fri Oct 20, 2006 2:49 am Post subject: |
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If he didn't do anything, she should not get anything. An accusation is not proof of anything.
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So you'd have sex with an old wrinkly for a few years..for free?
Give her the lot, she earned it |
Do you have any idea how sick that sounds? The ends justify the means. Is that it? |
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SPINOZA
Joined: 10 Jun 2005
Location: $eoul
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| Posted: Fri Oct 20, 2006 2:53 am Post subject: |
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| this bit of crumpet he saw so fit to marry isn't fit to lick the rotting residue from SIR MACCA's trash!. |
Your hero is little more than a geriatric fool in the mould of J. Howard Marshall. I hope she gets at least half. Between her and the talentless spawn Stella looting his millions to prop up her mediocre fashion design company, looks like he may even end up an expat esler in Korea soon 
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| John wrote a really disturbing song while the Beatles were together: "you better run for your life is you can, little girl, hide your head in the sand, little girl. catch you with another man, that's the end, little girl" |
yeah... a mysoginistic piece of trash from the inner city. Being shot was a fitting end. |
You're an interesting troll, Junior.....a heroic defender of the ladeez troll.
If Lennon was a "piece of trash" then frankly you, and any other member of the herd of ordinary humanity, must be pieces of trash's turds!
The thing is with genius, you've gotta accept the bad with the good.
Winston Churchill was a total oratory genius and the first leader to declare war on Nazi Germany, yet he also gassed some Kurds, or something. Samuel Taylor Coleridge loved nothing more than to fall into an opium-induced stupor, like a pathetic piece of trash. He perhaps WAS INDEED a pathetic piece of druggy trash, but he was also an outstanding critic, philosopher and poet. Henry VIII hanged anyone potentially of opposition, sometimes by their hair.
In short, it doesn't matter. They CAN do these awful things and get away with them, because they're SIR MACCA, Henry VIII or....anyone of note who had, God forbid, a dark side. Don't we all?
It hardly matters of course, since Macca's ex-talentless trollop is a monstrously loathsome parasite and an embarrassment to women. One can still be pro-women and yet hate the likes of Mills, you realize that? |
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Satori
Joined: 09 Dec 2005
Location: Above it all
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| Posted: Fri Oct 20, 2006 3:14 am Post subject: |
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| John wrote a really disturbing song while the Beatles were together: "you better run for your life is you can, little girl, hide your head in the sand, little girl. catch you with another man, that's the end, little girl" |
"That's the end" of the relationship, nothing more. "Run for your life" is a common phrase and usually is not meant literally. You are just reaching here. |
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Junior
Joined: 18 Nov 2005
Location: the eye
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| Posted: Fri Oct 20, 2006 3:17 am Post subject: |
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| she clearly should get bugger all. |
No way. He thought she was good enough to walk up the aisle with, they were married, she shared his life, they had a child. And after all that you reckon she should get nothing??
No, he must pay for his poor judgement, same like J Howard marshall. What we have here is a lesson for rich old dudes.a) Don't assume your money can buy you in love or devotion. b) if you fool yourself into thinking you're still a babe magnet when you're over 60..then be prepared for reality to bite later c)To me a marriage should be a 50/50 equality- thats how you go into it...thats how it ends.
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| The evidence (as we know it) suggests she is lying. |
Howd ya figure that? I think your protective instinct over a popular figure is overruling all else. The date of her operation etc all is quite verifiable and so on. When I said her complaints probably have no legal gravity, I meant that she would probably be unable to prove them and that they are relatively minor. "Shoved in the bath"- probably many couples do that in the course of benign playfulness. The incident probably happened but was it a funny joke at the time or was it abusive? and so on..
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| You are an idiot who can't even keep his own opinion consistent. |
The whole point of debating something is that your opinion changes if you acquire new information. my opinion has changed and altered on many things discussed on here .. through discussion. You don't lose credibility by taking new ideas on board. maybe you should open up to the possibility that he actually was abusive?
but overall the idea of some rich old dude marrying a decorative hottie then discovering that he's incompatible, then having to pay for it...is mildly amusing. That and the fact i was never a beatles fan.
And..lighten up.! This is not deadly serious debate... its a story good for a few laughs  |
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The Lemon
Joined: 11 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Fri Oct 20, 2006 3:26 am Post subject: |
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| Satori wrote: |
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| John wrote a really disturbing song while the Beatles were together: "you better run for your life is you can, little girl, hide your head in the sand, little girl. catch you with another man, that's the end, little girl" |
"That's the end" of the relationship, nothing more. "Run for your life" is a common phrase and usually is not meant literally. You are just reaching here. |
No, he's not reaching. That's the standard interpretation.
From Wikipedia:
Reflecting his negative, even misogynistic view of male-female relationships at the time, the song lyrics establish a threatening tone towards the singer's unnamed girlfriend (referred to throughout the song as "little girl"), claiming "I'd rather see you dead, little girl, than to be with another man". Lennon designated this song his "least favorite Beatles song" in a 1973 interview, and later said it was the song he most regretted writing. |
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Satori
Joined: 09 Dec 2005
Location: Above it all
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| Posted: Fri Oct 20, 2006 3:29 am Post subject: |
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| There is not a spot of evidence or historical reason to believe anything she's said. So far it's all just hot air, pure theoretical accusation designed to get more money out of the divorce. He initiated the divorce remember, then suddenly she decided he had been abusing her. Whether you like Beatles or not has nothing to do with it. It's just a scummy gold digger trying to get her hands on a rich man's money, nothing more. |
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Satori
Joined: 09 Dec 2005
Location: Above it all
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| Posted: Fri Oct 20, 2006 3:33 am Post subject: |
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no need to tarnish they guys reputation.
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he did that all himself.
"-used illegal drugs and drank excessively, hurled abuse at Mills and made her cancel an operation on the leg she lost in a traffic accident before they married because it interfered with his holiday plans.They also said McCartney did not want her to breastfeed their baby daughter, saying "they are my *beep*".
-In other words he saw her as a plaything. Property. A bit of fun to make his flatulent retirement bearable. He was controlling over his property, shoving it in the bath if it answered back.
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No, he didn't "do that all by himself". She has claimed that he did that. And so far we have absolutely no reason to believe her, and plenty of reasons to not believe her. He had not tarnished his reputation. She is trying to tarnish his reputation. But I'm almost certain she will fail miserably. And I will recieve the news that she got nothing and the charges were thrown out of court with great joy and gleeful pleasure... |
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Junior
Joined: 18 Nov 2005
Location: the eye
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| Posted: Fri Oct 20, 2006 3:52 am Post subject: |
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| The thing is with genius, you've gotta accept the bad with the good. |
You respect people by their actions. hitler or Kim Jong il-both geniuses at controlling a population through fear- but hardly acceptable characters.
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| Samuel Taylor Coleridge loved nothing more than to fall into an opium-induced stupor, but he was also an outstanding critic, philosopher and poet. |
You can admire someones talent without accepting their other personality traits or actions. what we have with McCartney and a host of other fallen celebs is a case of the public worshipping them for a particular trait, then being blinded/refusing to see anything else about them.
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| They CAN do these awful things and get away with them, because they're SIR MACCA |
fortunately your nation has a legendary appetite for publicly tearing their gods and relishing their human flaws. Price you pay, eh?
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| Macca's ex-talentless trollop is a monstrously loathsome parasite |
It just shows "the amazing macca's' ineptitude when faced with a nice piece of ass...and because of his stardom and popularity you automatically absolve him of any fault in choosing a wife or keeping his marriage intact, its all her fault..
I realise that some women can be heartless predators. But if you buy a hottie based on your fame and fortune..then you can expect them to take you for it. The amusing thing about it is that despite his extraordinary fame and talent..he now looks like a bit of an idiot. He's been made to look human. Like a lot of other fallen stars..
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Satori
Joined: 09 Dec 2005
Location: Above it all
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Westlife has almost as many #1 hits in the Uk. Are Westlife good?
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Yeah, lets compare the Beatles to Westlife, you weasally little amoeba...
Westlife had 13 UK number ones, ok, the Beatles had 17, only that really doesn't tell the whole story. A few more facts and figures might be needed.
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Most no. 1 singles in the Billboard Hot 100 charts (20 no.1s).
Most no. 1 albums in the Billboard Top 200 albums charts (19 no.1 albums).
Most weeks at no. 1 in the Billboard albums chart (132 weeks at no. 1).
Group with most weeks in the Billboard albums chart (2,184 weeks, second only to Frank Sinatra with 2,211 weeks).
Group with most weeks in the Billboard Hot 100 chart (609 weeks).
Group with most weeks at no. 1 in the Billboard Hot 100 chart (59 weeks at no. 1).
Most songs inside the Billboard Hot 100 at the same time (14 songs on April 11, 1964).
Most songs inside the Billboard Top 40 at the same time (7 songs on April 11 and 25, 1964).
Most songs in the Billboard Top 10 at the same time (5 songs on April 4, 1964).
Most songs in the Billboard Top 5 at the same time (5 songs on April 4, 1964).
Most chart entries in the Billboard Hot 100 within a calendar year (30 charted songs in 1964)
The only group to replace themselves at no. 1 in the Billboard Hot 100 twice (March 21 and April 4, 1964).
Most complete ever domination of the Billboard Hot 100 singles and albums chart by occupying the first 5 positions in the Hot 100 as well as the first two in the albums chart simultaneously (April 4, 1964).
Most consecutive no. 1 albums in the Billboard albums chart (8 consecutive no. 1 albums from 1965 to 1968).
Most consecutive top 5 albums in the Billboard albums chart (16 consecutive top 5 albums from 1965 to 1977).
Group with the longest span of no. 1 albums in the Billboard albums chart (36 years and 51 weeks, 1964 to 2001).
Group with most consecutive no. 1 hits in the Billboard Hot 100 (6 consecutive no. 1 hits,).
Most no. 1 albums in the Billboard albums chart in a calendar year (3 no. 1 albums in 1964, repeated in 1965 and 1966).
Most no. 1 singles in the Billboard Hot 100 in a calendar year (6 no. 1 singles in 1964)
The only act to have held the no. 1 and no. 2 position in the Billboard albums chart for 9 straight weeks on two separate occasions (March 2 to April 27 and August 29 to October 24, 1964).
Most top 3 albums in the Billboard albums chart (27 top 3 albums).
Most transatlantic no. 1 hit singles (12 songs reached no. 1 in both the U.S. and Britain).
Group with most consecutive top 5 hits in the Billboard Hot 100 chart (17 consecutive top 5 hits from 1964 to 1969).
Group with most consecutive top 10 hits in the Billboard Hot 100 chart (24 consecutive top 10 hits from 1964 to 1976).
Group with most consecutive top 20 hits in the Billboard Hot 100 chart (27 consecutive top 20 hits from 1964 to 1976).
On April 4, 1964, the Beatles occupied the first 5 positions in the Billboard Hot 100 singles chart, the top 2 in the Billboard albums chart, the no. 1 position in the British singles chart, the first two positions in the British albums chart and the no. 1 position in the British EP chart, making this the most complete ever domination of the British and American charts in history.
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Yeah, them Beatles and them Westlifers are really just like peas in a pod in terms of career sucess and influence on the pop music world. Yup yup...
Anyway, didn't I already ban you from speaking on matters musical?
Let me restate that ban. Jinju, after careful consideration of all pertinant facts, it has been decided by the council of the wise and great, that certain medical factors mitigate against you making public judgements on matters musical. The fact that your musical taste is located deep in your colonic tract has been deemed a significantly detrimental influence on your perception and judgement that we are left with no choice but to ban you permanantly from making any public proclamations on matters musical. This ban starts immediately, is permanant, and is also retro-active. Case dismissed. |
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The Lemon
Joined: 11 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Fri Oct 20, 2006 3:57 am Post subject: |
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Anyway, didn't I already ban you from speaking on matters musical?
Let me restate that ban. Jinju, after careful consideration of all pertinant facts, it has been decided by the council of the wise and great, that certain medical factors mitigate against you making public judgements on matters musical. The fact that your musical taste is located deep in your colonic tract has been deemed a significantly detrimental influence on your perception and judgement that we are left with no choice but to ban you permanantly from making any public proclamations on matters musical. This ban starts immediately, is permanant, and is also retro-active. Case dismissed. |
OK, that was funny.
Jinju can channel his energies to photography, if he'll just put a sock in it about SLRs. |
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Satori
Joined: 09 Dec 2005
Location: Above it all
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| Posted: Fri Oct 20, 2006 3:59 am Post subject: |
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You can admire someones talent without accepting their other personality traits or actions. what we have with McCartney and a host of other fallen celebs is a case of the public worshipping them for a particular trait, then being blinded/refusing to see anything else about them. |
McCartney isn't even remotely close to being a fallen celeb. Someone is trying to pull him down. She will fail. And mark my words, a year after this is done there won't be even a tiny little dent in the perception of Macca. Sorry, not the way it works. He actually has to do something wrong "in the real world" before he gets a dent.
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I realise that women can be heartless cunning money hungry predators. The amusing thing about it is that despite his extraordinary fame and talent..he now looks like a bit of an idiot. He's been made to look human. |
It doesn't make him look like an idiot, or anything close to that. It makes her look like an idiot so far. Her claim looks as flimsy as a petticoat. Beyond that you can't comment on Macca looking like an idiot till after the case. The fact that someone is after your money in a dishonest way doesn't make you look like an idiot, just in case you were confused about that. |
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