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[poker player]

[laogaiguk]

[diver]

[ernie]

"I've met many Americans who are appalled by their countries foreign policies - and they do their best to vote against them. But that's about all they can do".

if this is the attitude of most americans, then i have to conclude that, yes, they ARE responsible for the neo-con douche bag elite that run their country... how come nader can't get into the presidential debate? why doesn't anyone DO anything about it?

americans need to stop blaming other nations for their problems and take a good look at what is happening within their nation... i won't at all be surprised if the union begins disintegrating within the next 25 years or so... the country is much too large to be effectively managed now that the heavy, mass market, centralized industrial system has been replaced by a decentralized, electric system that favours rapid change and niche behaviour...

[shevek]

[ChopChaeJoe]

[anjucat]

hehehe...

Go to jail? Or be "exiled" to Canada? hmm... tough call

http://www.cbc.ca/world/story/2006/10/23/exile.html

[Pligganease]

[Adventurer]

[Ya-ta Boy]

[laogaiguk]

[ChopChaeJoe]

There were some major changes to American ideology after 9/11.


Iraq doesn't really affect anyone outside of gas price flux. It's a moot issue, except to the grandstanders. And, of course, the inhabitants of the the region.

But after 9/11, the idealism inherent in Americans (and always manipulated by American politicians to play the Loki) took a major hit with regard to foreign policy. Sure the previous policy led to American hegemeony. But it was also generous, occasionally merciful.

The world is going to miss America's former generosity. The realization of that has lead to all kinds of anti-American horseshit.

Canadians provid a balance to American extremes, but we're pretty similar in the middle.

[Pligganease]

[Adventurer]

Captain America, the U.S. is one of the founders of the United Nations. The United States was, in a sense, stating that the world is with the United States or against it. Donald Rumsfeld, though usually articulate, inarticulately called Germany and France "old Europe". Such slaps on the face are not the fault of Europe. Foreign policy blunders committed by the U.S. fall back on the culpability of the U.S. government.

The U.S. government stated, under Bush, that diplomacy would be utilized, in earnest, and it was a lie. The weapons' inspectors were not given their fair due. Iraq did not attack the United States. The U.S. attack on Iraq was reminiscent of what a fascist state would do. At that time, Iraq did not attack any of its neighbors nor did it attack the U.S.

You are asking those who blame the United States such as the countries of the Near East to not blame the United States for their problems.
Thus, you are expecting them to be accountable for their problems, and you want the U.S. to escape all sense of culpability on the subject.

It is clear that none of the hijackers were from Iraq. However, the way Cheney and the administration tried to link Iraq to Al Qaeda led many Americans, who have little knowledge of the region, to think that some of the hijackers were, in fact, from Iraq. Just as the people of the Near East need to take responsibility for their actions, so must the U.S. government and its citizenry. There is too much denial from the U.S. side, as well. The U.S. citizenry are encouraged to see the culpability of some of the ideological thinkin in the Near East, but there is not enough of a reflection on the negative role also played on the U.S. side.

[Pligganease]

Cigar Sniffer, the U.S. is indeed one of the founders of the United Nations. The United States did say that the world was either with us or against us. Many nations were with us, and the nations that were against us were against us before 9/11. Germany and France are "old Europe." Germany is afraid of offending anyone due to old scars, and France is afraid of war, period. (Mainly, because they are tired of surrendering.)

The United States gave Iraq plenty of time to allow full inspection. The U.S. population was led to believe that Iraq was doing everything they could to obtain WMDs. The U.S. population was led to believe that Al Quaida and Iraq were co-conspirators. The U.S. attack on Iraq was like something a fascist state would do? You're a moron.