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20% of British children can't find UK on world map
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Privateer



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PostPosted: Mon Oct 23, 2006 7:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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when these kind of threads come out about America it's all "tut tut, I knew they were idiots". one comes out about the british and it's all "hmmm, let's look at the methodology." I don't see why canadians, in their eagerness to be non-american, have to be sycophantic towards some crummy island like england.

let's face it, the british are dumb. they still have a queen for god's sakes. it's the 21st century and they've still got some old lady playing dress up.



Yes, we're all idiots. As for those ignorant 6 year olds they should all be culled for the greater good of the herd!
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Novernae



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PostPosted: Mon Oct 23, 2006 8:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

billybrobby wrote:
when these kind of threads come out about America it's all "tut tut, I knew they were idiots". one comes out about the british and it's all "hmmm, let's look at the methodology." I don't see why canadians, in their eagerness to be non-american, have to be sycophantic towards some crummy island like england.


Grow up. I had the same questions about the American ones.
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 23, 2006 9:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hey Bobby Boy, kiss my British butt....hair and all you maggot.
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 24, 2006 2:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

It is kind of interesting that the Scottish children faired well on these tests. I do not think it is really news that many children in both England and the U.S. are horrible, in comparison to other Western countries, when it comes to geography.

The question is why do children in Scotland, Sweden, Canada, and Germany have a more in-depth knowledge of geography when compared to their Anglo-Saxon counterparts from the U.S. and England?

I think it is sad that many of the English children did not know where Iraq was located on a map. There are English troops in Iraq, so, it goes without saying, it looks sad to some British troops that some of their brethen back home have not taken an interest in the country where they have been placed.

The Scottish, on a side note, have been a very highly productive nation when it comes to contributing to the British Empire, Canada, and the U.S.
I believe Alexander Graham Bell was of Scottish descent and the first PM of Canada was Scottish, and according to a book about millionaires, many people of Scottish descent are some of the most affluent people in America. I believe the book was called "The Millionaire Next Door".
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 24, 2006 2:30 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

billybrobby wrote:
when these kind of threads come out about America it's all "tut tut, I knew they were idiots". one comes out about the british and it's all "hmmm, let's look at the methodology." I don't see why canadians, in their eagerness to be non-american, have to be sycophantic towards some crummy island like england.

let's face it, the british are dumb. they still have a queen for god's sakes. it's the 21st century and they've still got some old lady playing dress up.


Maybe it's because it's not that bad to be British, aged 6-14, and not know about the world. You're young, it's understandable.

When you're aged 18-24 and you don't know these things... you're stupid.

http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2006/05/0502_060502_geography.html
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 24, 2006 2:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

England has dumbed down a lot in the past 50 years.

losing the empire was a big factor in their dropping geography.
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 24, 2006 2:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Many people? Really? People will see lots of different sized maps over time.


Yep.

I ran into it a long time ago and did a little reading. (The reading I did was far more specific than my present memory, but 'many' is a fair way to describe it.)

I ran across it when I was teaching a history class. I Xeroxed a map out of the text book, shrank it, whited out the names and wrote in some numbers of places I wanted the kids to identify. I was also teaching a psych unit on intelligence and someone or other had divided the types of intelligence and tested each one separately. One of them was 'spatial intelligence'. I read a bit about it. Another oddity: boys are better on average at taking an outline map and mentally turning it on its side.

The most interesting comment I came across was that if you cloned a group of people and raised one member of each pair in a hunter-gatherer society and the other in our society, you'd most likely have entirely different sets of leaders because the types of useful intelligence are so different. Not exactly a provable claim, but an interesting idea.
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 24, 2006 3:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

billybrobby wrote:
I don't see why canadians, in their eagerness to be non-american, have to be sycophantic towards some crummy island like england.


England is not an island by the way. Thought it was worth pointing that out on a thread about geographic stupidity.
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 24, 2006 5:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Still think that the reason why this stuff is happening is much more interesting than simply saying it's happening and getting nationalistic about which country is the lest educated about geography. Basically it's someone's fault, but I doubt it's the kids. I refuse to believe they are just getting dumber. Either the curriculum has changed and there is less focus on geography, or the teachers are getting worse at thier job and just not covering enough ground in the allotted time.

Personally I don't think geography is a vital subject, but it is a valid and interesting subject. It's something that you could easily teach yourself as an adult if you had the need or desire. But if you're an adult and you can't write a coherent sentence it's a bit late. You can try to drag yourself up, but you're seriously behind the curve on that one. I think the core subjects are English and Math. And I think there should be a third core subject, called "Thinking Skills", where analytical, lateral, creative, logical, and problem solving thinking skills are taught. Filling the head with information is not expediant anymore. You can get what info you need from the net or other sourses. It's what you do with that information that is important. So being able to process information, analyse it, form and test hypothoses, make goals, form plans, summarise things, and express your findings powerfully and coherently are the skills we need to focus on.

Knowing where a place is on a map, if you have no interest or need to know, is a bit abstract for me.
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 24, 2006 5:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ya-ta Boy wrote:
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Many people? Really? People will see lots of different sized maps over time.


Yep.

I ran into it a long time ago and did a little reading. (The reading I did was far more specific than my present memory, but 'many' is a fair way to describe it.)

I ran across it when I was teaching a history class. I Xeroxed a map out of the text book, shrank it, whited out the names and wrote in some numbers of places I wanted the kids to identify. I was also teaching a psych unit on intelligence and someone or other had divided the types of intelligence and tested each one separately. One of them was 'spatial intelligence'. I read a bit about it. Another oddity: boys are better on average at taking an outline map and mentally turning it on its side.

The most interesting comment I came across was that if you cloned a group of people and raised one member of each pair in a hunter-gatherer society and the other in our society, you'd most likely have entirely different sets of leaders because the types of useful intelligence are so different. Not exactly a provable claim, but an interesting idea.


OK makes sense. I usually identify a country based on it's position relative to other countries. I guess shape doesn't even come into it except for those few I know really well.
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 24, 2006 6:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

War is God's way of teaching americans geography.

Especially if it's an illegal war, where innocent civilians are being slaughtered in the 100's of thousands in cold blood.

Where's my flag?
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 24, 2006 7:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I do think it is interesting that England and the U.S. both are similar when it comes to taking an interest in geography. Yet, I cannot understand why the Scottish fare better than their English counterparts on the same island? Does anyone from the British Isles have an answer for why their Scottish counterparts fare better on the exams? Would the Scottish also fare better in other subjects when compared to their English counterparts?

A poster mentioned that English and Math should be the main subjects i.e. the bread and butter subjects. I would definitely include English and treating English as a neglected art that needs to be appreciated. It seems academia is almost apologetic when teaching English because academia often avoids teaching sophisticated English when compared to the past. As far as Math, I would not place it over science. People need to stop spoiling children and give back instructors the power to write the correct grades of the students. A major part of the problem is that teachers are afraid of the parents and the deans of their schools. The grades are curved in North America, Canada, and England.

As far as the U.S., it has long replaced Brittania as the leading power. It is more important for the U.S. to be aware of world geography. However, I think it is more important for people in the Anglo-Saxon world to be aware of their history, laws, and be encouraged to vote. That should be a priority before learning where China is on the map.

Anyway, fellows, if we are to criticize the lack of learning among the youth, should we not capitalize words such as American and English?
If we don't even capitalize the word English which is the name of the language we are using then that is not good on our parts. We use language to learn geography, history, and math. I think if we encouraged children to connect more with the written, then they would read more books which often contain information about other cultures and places.
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 24, 2006 7:48 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

kimchikowboy wrote:
Not to hijack the thread, but on the subject of education, I found this hilarious.
http://www.local6.com/irresistible/10115212/detail.html

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MINCO, Okla. -- One of Oklahoma's nominees for state superintendent of education has proposed a unique idea for protecting students from outbreaks of violence.

Bill Crozier, a Union City Republican going against incumbent Democrat Sandy Garrett, said he believes old textbooks could be used to stop bullets shot from weapons wielded by school intruders.

If elected, he said he would put thick used textbooks under every desk for students to use in self-defense.



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"We need to look at protection of young people that sometimes people may think you are a little smarter than everybody else or a higher IQ or whatever. They need to look at what the end result would be," Crozier said.


Yeah, and with all the bubblegum that will get stuck on them, the kids won't need anything to strap them on their chests.
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