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AbbeFaria
Joined: 17 May 2005
Location: Gangnam
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 Posted: Sun Oct 22, 2006 12:15 am Post subject: |
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Am I the only one who noticed that the article is two years old? The German company was set to start production in "a few months," or whatever it was. Did it work or not? Can I buy one or not?
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mindmetoo
Joined: 02 Feb 2004
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| Posted: Sun Oct 22, 2006 2:58 am Post subject: |
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All the interest by the US military in Hutchinson's work must be pure coincidence I suppose.
He's just another .....spoonbender after all.
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The same army that pays $1,000 for a hammer? This army?
Florida's Bureau of Entomology was ordered by the state to study Celestial Drops, a holy water reputed to have "improved fractal design", "infinite levels of order", and "high energy and low entropy." (I believe the only thing done to this water was it was prayed over by a rabbi.)
I await the army's report but something merely being studied by a large government organization with the potential for many politicians using influence doesn't really imply much. Do you have a link?
I found this:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hutchison_effect
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Hutchison
Is that what you're talking about? It appears rather old, no?
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| Hutchison states that he hasn't actually reproduced his effect since approximately 1991, though he continues to reject charges of fakery, and maintains that his "effect" has been demonstrated many times in the presence of scientists and, he says, members of the US Army Intelligence and Security Command. |
Other quotes from the pages:
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| Hutchison apparently claims that "at the end of the cold war" a "military intelligence service" (not otherwise specified) destroyed his lab in Vancouver while he was traveling in Europe. To support this bizarre allegation, Hutchison allegedly presented photos of letters allegedly written by various scientific and government organisations, as well as a letter allegedly written by Hans-Adam II, Prince of Liechtenstein. However, it is far from clear what relevance these letters, whose provenance is unverified, might have. |
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[The] Hutchison Effect has been claimed for years, without any independent verification � ever. In fact, its originator can't even replicate it on demand. This has been investigated more than once, been part of documentaries on The Discovery Channel, but still never seems to pass critical muster. This is in the category of folklore. In general, the "American Antigravity" web site caters to such folklore and its enthusiasts
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Does the military verify their tests? Did they issue a report?
Spoon bender? Yes, IMHO.
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mindmetoo
Joined: 02 Feb 2004
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| Posted: Sun Oct 22, 2006 4:37 am Post subject: |
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| AbbeFaria wrote: |
Am I the only one who noticed that the article is two years old? The German company was set to start production in "a few months," or whatever it was. Did it work or not? Can I buy one or not?
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| A German company has licensed the manufacturing and marketing rights for all of Europe and Russia, excluding the U.K., and is in process of tooling up to begin mass production. |
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| The name of the German company will be revealed when they have finished tooling up and are ready to begin production, which Brady estimates will take place in a month or two. He said that these units will be consumer ready for application in home use, pending the stamp of approval from TUFF. Brady also plans to allow German television crews to document the device for public view. |
Yeah, two years ago they were in the process of tooling up for "mass production".
It's just the typical story with these kinds of things, no? Lots of talk. Never any results.
The guy's web site also sells "magnetic rings" with a bunch of alleged health benefits:
http://www.perendev-power.com/index_files/Page980.htm
Check out the price.
"These ring improve the blood flow by ionizing the blood as it flows through the magnetic field."
Wow, there's a testable claim. Of course any test of magnets and their reputed health benefits comes up ziltch:
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| There is no scientific basis to conclude that small, static magnets can relieve pain or influence the course of any disease. In fact, many of today's products produce no significant magnetic field at or beneath the skin's surface. |
Many of these magnetic ring quacks like to believe the rings work on the iron found in red blood cells. The problem is the iron in your blood is not ferromagnetic. |
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some waygug-in
Joined: 25 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Sun Oct 22, 2006 4:59 pm Post subject: |
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It's interesting that Wikipedia says Hutchinson can't reproduce his "effect" and then goes on to talk about Mel Winfield, who claims Hutchinson got his ideas from him.
If you go to Winfield's site, yes indeed he shows letters from Hutchinson.
http://www.nucleonicenergy.com/
But he also says that the effects are very real..................whoever discovered them, or whoever they are named after is really irrellevant.
As for Perendev, the motors are listed for lease on their products page:
http://www.perendev-power.com/index_files/Page780.htm
Whether they really work or not I can't verify one way or the other. |
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mateomiguel
Joined: 16 May 2005
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| Posted: Sun Oct 22, 2006 8:44 pm Post subject: |
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so.... I'M RIGHT!!!
bwahahaah, another loony identified, tagged, and dismissed. |
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mindmetoo
Joined: 02 Feb 2004
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| Posted: Sun Oct 22, 2006 10:30 pm Post subject: |
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| some waygug-in wrote: |
| It's interesting that Wikipedia says Hutchinson can't reproduce his "effect" and then goes on to talk about Mel Winfield, who claims Hutchinson got his ideas from him. |
I don't see the connection between the claim he hasn't demonstrated his effect since 1991 and this Mel fellow. What does this have to do with the claim he can't reproduce his effect? Or even he could never reproduce his effect on demand (ie just like magicians can't just saw a woman in half without set up. Hint hint.).
Golly, some free energy device for rent! That's amazing. Someone must be using this device, no? Any satisfied customers? This sucker needs no fuel! There must be lots of satisfied customers?
Playing with his numbers...
His engine outputs 290kw/hour. He leases it for 5 years for 38,000 Euros. Over 5 years it will generate 12,702,000 kilowatts (43,800 hours in 5 years x 290 kw/hour). 12,702,000 kw / 38,000 Euros = 334 euros. Let's call a Euro a $1. It costs you $334 per kilowatt? Even at the 4 mw level you're looking at only moving the decimal place one to the left. So $30 per kw/h.
The kicker is most power companies meter their kw/hs in pennies, not in the hundreds of dollars!
Does anything about that strike you as right or sensible?
Will anyone buy this machine? It seems a bit like that commercial for the guy who sells his services at a fast food convention as a product tester. He charges $30,000 for his services. "Do you have any customers?" "Dude, I only need one!" |
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some waygug-in
Joined: 25 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Mon Oct 23, 2006 2:24 am Post subject: |
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| The point is, if there is really nothing to Hutchinson's claims, why would someone else be trying to take credit for giving him the original ideas? |
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some waygug-in
Joined: 25 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Mon Oct 23, 2006 3:21 am Post subject: |
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| You're right. It doesn't sound economical. |
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mindmetoo
Joined: 02 Feb 2004
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| Posted: Mon Oct 23, 2006 5:05 am Post subject: |
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| some waygug-in wrote: |
| The point is, if there is really nothing to Hutchinson's claims, why would someone else be trying to take credit for giving him the original ideas? |
Maybe Mel is jealous of Hutchinson's fame and he's trying to get his own 15 minutes. |
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AbbeFaria
Joined: 17 May 2005
Location: Gangnam
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| Posted: Mon Oct 23, 2006 5:25 am Post subject: |
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| mindmetoo wrote: |
| Will anyone buy this machine? It seems a bit like that commercial for the guy who sells his services at a fast food convention as a product tester. He charges $30,000 for his services. "Do you have any customers?" "Dude, I only need one!" |
Yeah, I love that one. It was for Jack in the Box.
Jack: "What's your product?"
Kid: "I'm a fast food consultant. I'll try your food and tell you if I like it."
"What do you charge?"
"$25,000"
"Any takers?"
"All I need is one."
Then, in what was surely a stab at Mcdonalds, at the end of the commercial they show the kid signing a contract on the back of some exec who asks "So the $25,000 is...?"
"Per nugget." And scribbles his name furiously.
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mindmetoo
Joined: 02 Feb 2004
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| Posted: Mon Oct 23, 2006 9:34 pm Post subject: |
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"Per nugget." And scribbles his name furiously.
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Ah yes  I think I recall another version:
A boy is selling a glass of lemonade for $5,000. A guy stops and wants to give the kid some advice about how to properly price things, if you lower the price, you'll sell more. To which the kid retorts "at $5,000, I only gotta sell one!" |
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mindmetoo
Joined: 02 Feb 2004
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| Posted: Tue Oct 24, 2006 11:38 pm Post subject: I'm wrong |
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His engine outputs 290kw/hour. He leases it for 5 years for 38,000 Euros. Over 5 years it will generate 12,702,000 kilowatts (43,800 hours in 5 years x 290 kw/hour). 12,702,000 kw / 38,000 Euros = 334 euros. Let's call a Euro a $1. It costs you $334 per kilowatt? Even at the 4 mw level you're looking at only moving the decimal place one to the left. So $30 per kw/h.
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Rush to publish, slow to retract. Let me retract. Looking at my numbers again, I flipped the division. It's 334 kwh per Euro (or $1). So that's .3 cents per kwh. THAT'S AMAZING. These things must be flying off the shelf. Especially in Europe.
Let me ask you, then, how do you think this works? Not the science. I mean, as the end user. What does it require you to do? Do you just give the engine a little spin (manually, or maybe a battery) and then it spins and spins pumping out electricity without any fuel or drawing any known power source? |
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some waygug-in
Joined: 25 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Wed Oct 25, 2006 2:09 am Post subject: |
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I have no way of knowing if it actually does work.
From what you have pointed out it seems to be looking a lot like a scam.
On the website, it shows a picture of a machine that looks about the size of a gas or diesel type generator.....so if there is actually a machine built, there must be some starter mechanism. |
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