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R. S. Refugee
Joined: 29 Sep 2004
Location: Shangra La, ROK
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 Posted: Thu Nov 02, 2006 4:20 am Post subject: Bush regime supports terrorism against civilians . . . |
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. . . if they're Cuban civilians!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Uh, by the way, I really liked your recent post about Bushee, Junior. (Never thought I'd hear myself saying that to Junior.)
Terror, Torture Fine for Some
Don't look too hard at the Bush administration's record
by Saul Landau
President George W. Bush has promoted himself as single-mindedly tough on terrorists and those who protect them. "We make no distinction between those who committed these acts and those who harbor them," he told the nation on Sept. 11, 2001. But while Arab suspects with no evidence or charges against them get "rendered" to other nations or stranded in Guantanamo, two anti-Castro terrorists who destroyed an airplane with passengers aboard are getting kid-glove treatment.
The most dramatic example of Bush coddling Castro-hating terrorists involves Luis Posada Carriles. On Oct. 6, 1976, agents working for Posada and Orlando Bosch, another anti-Castro exile, planted a bomb on a a Cuban commercial plane and blew it up shortly after it took off from Barbados. All 73 passengers and crew members perished. Thirty years later, Posada sits in an El Paso jail cell. Since his airliner "success," he has added new notches to his terrorist gun � including an attempted assassination of Fidel Castro in Panama in 1999.
http://www.antiwar.com/orig/landau.php?articleid=9952 |
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mateomiguel
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| Posted: Thu Nov 02, 2006 6:38 am Post subject: |
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| yes because George Bush was in power 30 years ago. |
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cbclark4
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| Posted: Thu Nov 02, 2006 8:02 am Post subject: |
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So the guy is in a jail cell and...
cbc |
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mateomiguel
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| Posted: Thu Nov 02, 2006 5:08 pm Post subject: |
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| ... and in that Texas jail cell, he has unquestioned support from the US government? |
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EFLtrainer
Joined: 04 May 2005
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| Posted: Thu Nov 02, 2006 7:00 pm Post subject: |
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Is there no intellectual honesty left in the world? Try reading the article, eh, guys? The hypocrisy of the administration is ridiculous. If the man blew up a plane, he needs to go to prison, not be protected by hypocrisy.
Washington has since refused to answer Venezuela's request to extradite him to the place where he plotted the airliner bombing. [b]The excuse accepted by the El Paso judge for not considering Venezuela was that Venezuela might torture him. How ironic in light of Bush authorizing torture for terrorist suspects this October. Even more ironic is that there is no credible evidence that Venezuela practices torture. [/b] |
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cbclark4
Joined: 20 Aug 2006
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| Posted: Thu Nov 02, 2006 7:29 pm Post subject: |
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He's still in jail.
Please post here when he is released.
cbc |
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mateomiguel
Joined: 16 May 2005
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| Posted: Thu Nov 02, 2006 10:15 pm Post subject: |
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| EFLtrainer wrote: |
| Is there no intellectual honesty left in the world? Try reading the article, eh, guys? The hypocrisy of the administration is ridiculous. If the man blew up a plane, he needs to go to prison, not be protected by hypocrisy. |
The man is currently in prison in El Paso. If you'd like you can petition to build a larger prison around the existing prison, sending him to doublejail.
and the wording of the article is misleading. The US's decision to not extradite people to countries where they may be tortured is a standard practice that has existed since before I was born. You can read about it in the US's extradition treaty with Venezuela which was signed into effect IN 1923 BY WARREN HARDING OR POSSIBLY CALVIN COOLIDGE!!!
Your subject line should say "Bush regime supports treaties made 80 years ago" |
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Alias
Joined: 24 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Thu Nov 02, 2006 10:47 pm Post subject: |
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But the US has very recently extradited people to countries that practice torture.
http://www.maherarar.ca/
You could have also picked this up in the original article if you actually read it. |
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Slep
Joined: 14 Oct 2006
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| Posted: Fri Nov 03, 2006 12:55 am Post subject: |
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| Alias wrote: |
But the US has very recently extradited people to countries that practice torture.
http://www.maherarar.ca/
You could have also picked this up in the original article if you actually read it. |
Doesn't count. He was innocent. |
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Interested
Joined: 10 Feb 2003
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| Posted: Fri Nov 03, 2006 1:49 am Post subject: |
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| mateomiguel wrote: |
The US's decision to not extradite people to countries where they may be tortured is a standard practice that has existed since before I was born. You can read about it in the US's extradition treaty with Venezuela which was signed into effect IN 1923 BY WARREN HARDING OR POSSIBLY CALVIN COOLIDGE!!!
Your subject line should say "Bush regime supports treaties made 80 years ago" |
If only he did support them. Read this article, it's horrifying.
http://www.counterpunch.com/arar10272006.html
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Eventually on October 8th, against my will, they took me out of my cell. They basically read the pieces of document to me saying, that we will be sending you Syria. And when I complained, I said to them, I did explain to you if I'm sent back I will be tortured and they, I remember, the INS person flipped a couple of pages in this document, to the end of this document and read to me a paragraph that I still remember until today, an extremely shocking statement she made to me.
She said something like: The INS is not the body or the agency that signed the Geneva Convention, convention against torture. For me what that really meant is we will send you to torture and we don't care. |
The US authorities sent this guy to Syria, in the full knowledge he would be tortured, and he was. |
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Slep
Joined: 14 Oct 2006
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| Posted: Fri Nov 03, 2006 9:14 pm Post subject: |
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| To be fair, that was just as much Canada's fault. They did provide the false information that the RCMP refused to recant that led to him being put on the no fly list in the first place. |
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Interested
Joined: 10 Feb 2003
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| Posted: Fri Nov 03, 2006 10:10 pm Post subject: |
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| Slep wrote: |
| To be fair, that was just as much Canada's fault. They did provide the false information that the RCMP refused to recant that led to him being put on the no fly list in the first place. |
Canada then provided an updated report which admitted they had nothing on the guy. This second report was ignored, and an innocent man was sent by the US (not Canada) to a country where it was almost certain the fellow would be tortured. |
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R. S. Refugee
Joined: 29 Sep 2004
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| Posted: Sun Nov 05, 2006 8:29 pm Post subject: |
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| Slep wrote: |
| Alias wrote: |
But the US has very recently extradited people to countries that practice torture.
http://www.maherarar.ca/
You could have also picked this up in the original article if you actually read it. |
Doesn't count. He was innocent. |
Slep's comment reminds me of a road back in Virginia where I grew up. It is called Witch Duck Road. Why, you may wonder. That's because back in colonial times when they were having all that hullabaloo up in Salem, Mass. they were also going after herbalists, healers, non-comformists back in my own home state. They had a fool-proof method of determining if one of these miscreants was really a witch. They would set up this see-saw like device by a pond. On one end of the seesaw there was a seat, and they would bind the suspected witch into that seat. Then, they would lower that end of the seesaw into the pond until the suspected witch was under water and leave her there awhile. Then, they would seesaw her out of the water. If she had drowned, that proved that she wasn't really a witch after all, and didn't need to be burned at the stake. But, if she survived, what more proof could you want? Foolproof method, no?
Was that an earlier take on waterboarding? |
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mateomiguel
Joined: 16 May 2005
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| Posted: Sun Nov 05, 2006 9:06 pm Post subject: |
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The bush administration also fully supports witches. Or is it against witches. I can't really remember...
which one is bad ? |
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igotthisguitar
Joined: 08 Apr 2003
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| Posted: Sun Nov 05, 2006 9:37 pm Post subject: |
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| mateomiguel wrote: |
| yes because George Bush was in power 30 years ago. |
If you mean Old Man 41, you're closer to truth than what you may even realize.
Luis Posada Carriles has been the CIA's boy from the get go.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luis_Posada_Carriles |
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