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twg
Joined: 02 Nov 2006
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| He should have come out and said, "I'm gay...and I'm a fundamentalist christian! Deal with it." That would have thrown everyone a curve-ball. |
I gotta admit, that'd be pretty kick-ass. |
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Milwaukiedave
Joined: 02 Oct 2004
Location: Goseong
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It's amazing that conservatives will come out of the woodwork to defend people like this and claim nothings been proven.
Buying drugs (whether you consume them or not) is illegal. If this were a democrat don't tell me Republicans would be having a field day with this.
In terms of the "massages" that's just icing on the cake.
If the guy knew he was innocent, he would have fought the charges with every bone in his body. He knew he was wrong and got caught. |
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insamjunkie
Joined: 04 Oct 2006
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insamjunkie
Joined: 04 Oct 2006
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| Posted: Sun Nov 05, 2006 1:26 am Post subject: Re: Why is this stuff not surprising anymore? |
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fiveeagles
Joined: 19 May 2005
Location: Vancouver
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| Milwaukiedave wrote: |
It's amazing that conservatives will come out of the woodwork to defend people like this and claim nothings been proven.
Buying drugs (whether you consume them or not) is illegal. If this were a democrat don't tell me Republicans would be having a field day with this.
In terms of the "massages" that's just icing on the cake.
If the guy knew he was innocent, he would have fought the charges with every bone in his body. He knew he was wrong and got caught. |
Jesus didn't. All the accusations against him were false, but he allowed his destiny to be fulfilled.
I'm not saying that he is guilty, but because he is not defending himself doesn't mean he is guilty. |
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canuckistan
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Joined: 17 Jun 2003
Location: Training future GS competitors.....
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For those who haven't seen it, this was the pastor that Richard Dawkins interviewed in "Root of All Evil." Sometimes life is just too funny.
http://youtube.com/watch?v=gmNjfpoRZpE |
Haggard's gay-bashing clip from that "Jesus Camp" docu is right up there too:
(looks into camera mockingly) "I think I know what you did last night--if you send me a thousand dollars I won't tell your wife"
Hahahahahaha....indeed Mr Haggard--but your gay bodybuilder/escort friend beat you to it!! 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W6rSjrBhUIA |
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insamjunkie
Joined: 04 Oct 2006
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On the other hand
Joined: 19 Apr 2003
Location: I walk along the avenue
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Well, Haggard's church apparently believes that he participated in some sort of immoral sexual activity...
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The Rev. Ted Haggard agreed to resign as leader of the New Life Church after its independent investigative board recommended removal, saying he was guilty "of sexually immoral conduct."
"We, the Overseer Board of New Life Church, have concluded our deliberations concerning the moral failings of Pastor Ted Haggard," a statement from the church said. "Our investigation and Pastor Haggard's public statements have proven without a doubt that he has committed sexually immoral conduct."
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On the other hand
Joined: 19 Apr 2003
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And it would appear Haggard has admitted it as well...
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The fact is I am guilty of sexual immorality. And I take responsibility for the entire problem. I am a deceiver and a liar. There's a part of my life that is so repulsive and dark that I have been warring against it for all of my adult life," he said.
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canuckistan
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| There's a part of my life that is so repulsive and dark that I have been warring against it for all of my adult life," he said. |
Freud calls it "reaction formation"
I think whatever these right-wing Evangelical nuts have to say about any kind of "moral sin" they campaign against should always be taken with a grain of salt and be the most suspect. The louder they yell, the more likely they are to be deep into it themselves. It's all very mentally unhealthy and sick.
http://www.alternet.org/story/43876/
In the latest sign of rank hypocrisy among social conservatives, the president of the 30-million member National Association of Evangelicals has resigned amidst accusations that he had a relationship with a male prostitute. Ted Haggard, who is married with five children, is a frequent adviser to the White House, and a staunch advocate of banning marriage rights for gays and lesbians.
The news, of course, comes just a month after Florida GOP Congressman, Mark Foley, who had pushed legislation to protect youth from "exploitation by adults using the internet," was revealed to be an internet sexual predator. And it adds to the sense among weary voters that their leaders, especially if they happen to be Republicans, cannot be trusted to do the right thing. Indeed, the chairman of the National Republican Congressional Committee acknowledged he had been aware of Foley's inappropriate emails for months, but took no steps to protect the children who were in harm's way. Instead, he spearheaded a series of TV ads attacking a Democratic challenger for, yes, being soft on child molesters.
What are we to make of a reigning conservative regime that lists the following inglorious claims to fame: Strom Thurmond, a notoriously racist senator who turned out to have a black lover; a Republican indictment of President Clinton's sexual license headed up by a team of philanderers; a Congress full of divorces passing an anti-gay law known as the "Defense of Marriage Act"?
In the pundit corner, we recently saw three giants of conservative moralizing unmasked as incapable of restraining their own vices: William Bennett turned out to be addicted to gambling, Rush Limbaugh to drugs. Meanwhile, Ralph Reed, the hand-picked youthful leader of the religious right, was quietly helping the corrupt lobbyist, Jack Abramoff, enable everything that religious conservatives oppose: casinos on Indian reservations and compelled abortions and sex slavery in the Northern Mariana Islands, an American territory.
And this is not even to mention the Catholic Church's strident indictment of sexual freedom as it shuffled its own cadre of child-molesting priests from parish to parish.
The cover-ups and power grabs, of course, are simply raw politics. But the pattern here may reveal something more striking than the obvious reality that those in power will sacrifice almost anything to stay there. The Republican Party appears to be chock full of people who make a life of preaching against the very vices they can't shake. Why?
For answers to the puzzles that seem to infest the conservative worldview, we might dust off our old Freud texts. From the father of psychoanalysis, we learn the concept of "reaction formation" which describes how we react to our own unacceptable impulses. Reaction formation is a classic "defense mechanism" -- an unconscious behavior designed to ward off uncomfortable feelings. Sometimes we react to our discomfort with ourselves in harmless ways, such as when a man cheats on his wife and brings her flowers to ease his guilt. Other times, the reactions can be punitive-we judge and condemn others who exhibit the very impulses that we, ourselves, cannot control. This is frequently the case when dealing with lust or greed.
"Sooner or later," writes Michael Warner, a Professor of English at Rutgers and a leading theorist of sexuality and politics, "we all lose control over our sex life. As a result, we try to control someone else's sex life."
Reaction formation is one of the few explanations that help us make sense of all the hypocritical moralizing: the preachers are preaching to themselves!
What is the solution to this misplaced effort to restrict others' behavior? For Freud, it was therapy. But more broadly, it's a dose of introspection, an ability to look inward, and to shift focus from others' behavior to our own. If hypocrisy in American political life is, in part, a symptom of inadequate introspection, if our fear that we can't control ourselves leads to an unconscious effort to control others, we'll continue to reach for a magnifying glass when what we really need is a mirror.
Republicans have no monopoly on hypocrisy. Most of us are guilty, at one time or another, of vocally denouncing something we ourselves have done, of shifting focus away from our own foibles by hoisting them onto others.
But a Party with a peculiar penchant for condemning in others what they can't overcome in themselves is a Party resting on shaky ground, especially if it professes self-control as a cornerstone of its governing philosophy. Social conservatives must be called on their hypocrisy, not simply as a matter of justice, but so that Americans can fully understand the roots and impact of the politics of moral judgment. Virtue, it's true, is necessary to a healthy democracy; but it begins inside.
Nathaniel Frank is Senior Research Fellow at the Michael D. Palm Center at the University of California, Santa Barbara, and teaches history on the adjunct faculty at New York University's Gallatin School. Dr. Frank's publications on gay rights and other topics have appeared in the New York Times, Washington Post, The New Republic, Los Angeles Times, Newsday, Philadelphia Inquirer, Lingua Franca and others. |
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Alias
Joined: 24 Jan 2003
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I read that he liked to go to gay bars and preach to the sinners. Among other things.
I've always wondered about those gay obsessed Christians. If they are constantly thinking about homosexuality they might want to do a little soul searching. |
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EFLtrainer
Joined: 04 May 2005
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Here's another one... Florida Governor's Race
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Lest we forget�
| posted by Shakespeare's Sister | Friday, November 03, 2006 | permalink |
�the other Republican homobigot facing allegations that he�s gay, time to catch up with Florida gubernatorial candidate Charlie Crist! Last week, a 21-year-old GOP staffer alleged that he had had an affair with Crist, and also identified Crist�s alleged long-term partner as Bruce Carlton Jordan, a man currently on probation �after serving a 30-day jail sentence for a conviction on grand theft and forgery charges.� Crist denies that he�s gay, natch, and has spent the last week ratcheting up his opposition to gay adoption and support of the Federal Marriage Amendment. Anyhoo, here�s the update:...
Much of the information surrounding the relationship came, unwittingly and somewhat ironically, from the Harris U.S. Senate campaign, where Jordan worked as the congresswoman's personal travel aide not long after his release from jail in February.
...another traveler on the Harris campaign, Dee Dee Hall, befriended him. In a videotaped statement that I obtained over the weekend, Hall swears...
�"He said that he was involved with Charlie," she says on the tape after she was sworn in by a court reporter. "I was like, 'OK.' He just stated his first name. He said, 'Maybe you've heard of him.' He said Charlie Crist."
�[Jay Vass], who is a registered Republican, said... Jordan told him and other Harris staffers that he was dating Crist.
The pilot also said that Jordan and other Harris staffers were matter-of-fact about the relationship and treated as a fact that Crist is gay. � "I couldn't believe they were so open about it," says Vass. "I asked him, 'Aren't you afraid of this coming out?' And Jordan said, 'It will come out sooner or later, and just as long as long as it comes out after the election, I don't care'."
No one can moan about any leftwing conspiracies this time. It�s a GOP staffer and registered Republicans who are spilling the beans about ol� Charlie....
Crist is still leading in the polls at the moment and will likely win election to become Jeb Bush�s successor as Florida�s governor. With this scandal just starting to unfold, it will be popcorn time once he�s in residence at the governor�s mansion, having made his way atop an anti-gay platform, once the whole thing unravels. |
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Hollywoodaction
Joined: 02 Jul 2004
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| There's a part of my life that is so repulsive and dark that I have been warring against it for all of my adult life," he said. |
Freud calls it "reaction formation"
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Freud, the drug addict who saw penises everywhere? How ironic. |
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Ya-ta Boy
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
Location: Established in 1994
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| Posted: Mon Nov 06, 2006 3:53 am Post subject: |
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| who saw penises everywhere |
Perhaps that is why he seems to have understood closeted gay hypocrites so well. |
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On the other hand
Joined: 19 Apr 2003
Location: I walk along the avenue
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Perhaps that is why he seems to have understood closeted gay hypocrites so well. |
It should be pointed out that Freud was not exactly an apostle of sexual tolerance himself. He classified homosexuality as a perversion, which gave the centuries-old anti-homosexual prejudice the ring of modern medical respectability.
And of course, he wrote about these so-called perversions in the detached, dispassionate prose of the medical man, thus avoiding the maniacal, paranoid tone that might have marked him as one of the over-compensating repressed deviants himself. But his arguments are the same ones that are used today by evangelical-oriented psychologists who claim to "cure" homosexuality. |
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