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[Gopher]

You can post six posts in a row. Or you can post six-hundred posts in a row.

But you are not really going to reach many voters from this platform, though...

And what you are doing looks an awful lot like mania to me.


[I think I just spoke in verse. ]

[EFLtrainer]

Way to add to a thread. Per usual. Is it not mania when you follow someone around the board posting personal attacks rather than adding to the thread?

Rhetorical question, boy.

[TheUrbanMyth]

[EFLtrainer]

You're a joke.

[Gopher]

Get ready, Urban. Brace yourself...

"You're a joke" usually precedes "you're a child," or, my favorite: "you're irrelevant." If he is in rare form, he might even call you "boy," bring "straw and bailing wire" into it, or claim his high LSAT scores prove he can "argue circles around you."

Rest assured on one thing though: he will never walk away without having the last word, thus dazzling us all with his brilliance and caustic wit...

[EFLtrainer]

The 2006 U.S. Midterms: Another Stolen Election?

by Prof. Michael Keefer

...On the reasonable assumption that the Democrats could expect to receive 60 percent of the undecided vote, the noted polling and exit-poll analyst who posts at the Progressive Independent website under the name �TruthIsAll� has calculated their average anticipated share of the November 7th vote, as of October 28th, to be 57.8 percent. He estimates that in an election free from fraud, there is a 97.5 percent probability that Democratic candidates should garner, on average, more that 56.4 percent of the votes cast. Even if the Democrats were to win only half of the undecided vote, they would quite certainly�in a fraud-free election�recover control of the House of Representatives, gaining at least 25 seats. Whether or not they win control of the Senate as well would depend�again assuming a clean election�upon the share of the undecided vote that they receive: the probability that with two-thirds of the undecided vote the Democrats would win control of the Senate is calculated by �TruthIsAll� as 78 percent.2

But it might be premature to get excited over the prospect of the United States ceasing to be a one-party state. For if the Republican party is in trouble with the electorate, American democracy is in a much more parlous condition�thanks largely to the devious machinations of the Bush Republicans. Given the accumulating evidence of large-scale and systematic preparations by the Republicans and their corporate allies for suppression of the Democratic vote, for mis- or non-counting of the vote in Democratic strongholds, and for an unprecedented level of electronic vote-tabulation fraud, the likelihood of these midterm elections being clean is approximately zero.

In the 2000 election, it was only through a combination of Jim Crow vote suppression tactics and a rich array of different methods of vote-count fraud that George W. Bush was able to arrive at a point at which his father�s Supreme Court appointees could push through what has been appropriately described as a judicial coup d��tat. His party won control of the Senate in 2002 through what was almost certainly vote-tabulation fraud.3 The 2004 presidential election was marked by fraud on a gigantic scale, not just in Ohio, which ended up being the deciding state, but in many other states as well: by January 2005 there was compelling evidence to show that had the votes been honestly counted, John Kerry would have defeated Bush by a commanding margin.4

My purpose here is not to review yet again the evidence on which these observations are based, but rather to provide a very selective list of recent books, articles and documentary films which assess and analyze the evidence of flagrant Republican breaches of the most fundamental principles of democracy, together with the prospects for a repetition and extension of these fraudulent practices in the 2006 and subsequent elections...

1. Critical Studies
Baiman, Ron, Kathy Dopp et al. �The Gun is Smoking: 2004 Ohio Precinct-Level Exit Poll Data Show Virtually Irrefutable Evidence of Vote Miscount.� US Count Votes / National Election Data Archive (17 January 2006, revised 23 January 2006), http://www.electionarchive.org/ucvAnalysis/OH/Ohio-Exit-Polls-2004.pdf.

DeLozier, Abbe Waldman, and Vickie Karp, eds. Hacked! High Tech Election Theft in America. Austin, Texas: Truth Enterprises, 2006.

Fitrakis, Bob, and Harvey Wasserman. How the GOP Stole America�s 2004 Election & Is Rigging 2008. Columbus, Ohio: CICJ Books / www.Freepress.org, 2006.

----, eds. What Happened in Ohio. Columbus, Ohio: CICJ Books / www.Freepress.org, 2006.

Fitrakis, Bob, Steve Rosenfeld and Harvey Wasserman, eds. Did George W. Bush Steal America�s 2004 Election? Essential Documents. Columbus, Ohio: CICJ Books / www.Freepress.org, 2006.

Freeman, Steven F., and Joel Bleifuss. Was the 2004 Presidential Election Stolen? New York: Seven Stories Press, 2006.

Freeman, Steven F. �Who Really Won�and Lost�the 2004 US Presidential Election?� 61st Annual Conference of the American Association for Public Opinion Research, Montr�al, 19 May 2006. http://www.appliedresearch.us/sf/Documents/AAPOR060519.pdf

----. �Illegitimate election. A key source for Robert F. Kennedy Jr. responds to criticism of his analysis of the 2004 election.� Salon.com (12 June 2006), http://www.salon.com/opinion/feature/2006/06/12/freeman/print.html

Kennedy, Robert F., Jr. �Was the 2004 Election Stolen?� Rolling Stone (June 2006), http://www.rollingstone.com/news/story/10432334/was_the_2004_election_stolen/Print

----. �Will the Next Election Be Hacked?� Rolling Stone (October 2006), http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/story/11717105/robert_f_kennedy_jr_will_the_next_election_be_hacked/print

Miller, Mark Crispin. Fooled Again: How the Right Stole the 2004 Election & Why They�ll Steal the Next One Too (Unless We Stop Them). New York: Basic Books, 2005.

Palast, Greg. The Best Democracy Money Can Buy. 2nd ed.; New York: Plume, 2004.

----. Armed Madhouse: Who�s Afraid of Osama Wolf?, China Floats, Bush Sinks, The Scheme to Steal �08, No Child�s Behind Left, and Other Dispatches from the Front Lines of the Class War. New York: Dutton, 2006.

----. �Greg Palast Uncovers the �Armed Madhouse� of the Bush Reign of Greed, Fear and Stolen Elections.� A Buzzflash Interview. Buzzflash.com (13 June 2006), http://www.buzzflash.com/interviews/06/06/int06022.html

Peckarsky, Peter, Ron Baiman, and Robert Fitrakis. �Official States Electronic Voting System Added Votes Never Cast In 2004 Presidential Election: Audit Log Missing.� The Free Press (1 November 2006), http://www.freepress.org/images/departments/2209.pdf

�TruthIsAll�. TruthIsAll. The Unanswered Question: Who Really Won in 2004? With an Introduction by Democratic Underground Poster Autorank. http://www.truthisall.net

2. Documentary Films

Unprecedented: the 2000 Presidential Election. Directed by Richard Ray P�rez and Joan Sekler. http://www.unprecedented.org/UnprecedentedFirstPage.html

Hacking Democracy. Directed by Simon Ardizzone and Russell Michaels. HBO Documentary Films. http://www.hbo.com/docs/programs/hackingdemocracy/index.html

Eternal Vigilance: The Fight to Save Our Election System. Directed by David Earnhardt. http://eternalvigilance.us/index.html

Stealing America: Vote by Vote. Directed by Dorothy Fadiman. http://stealingamerica.org/screenings.html

Invisible Ballots: A Temptation for Electronic Vote Fraud. Directed by William Gazecki. http://www.realityzone.com/ballots.html

American Blackout. Directed by Ian Inaba. http://theconnextion.com/american_index.cfm?ArtistID=400

No Umbrella: Election Day in the City. Directed by Laura Paglin. http://www.noumbrella.org/index.htm

3. The Next Stolen Election?

Feldman, Ariel J., J. Alex Halderman, and Edward W. Felten. �Security Analysis of the Diebold AccuVote-TS Voting Machine.� Center for Information Technology Policy and Dept. of Computer Science, Princeton University (13 September 2006), http://itpolicy.princeton.edu/voting/ts-paper.pdf

Fitrakis, Bob, and Harvey Wasserman. �A Loaves & Fishes / Holy Ghost Victory for the GOP in November?� Common Dreams News Center (18 October 2006), http://www.commondreams.org/views06/1018-26.htm

----. �Will a shocking new court victory and Karl Rove�s attack on Ohio doom the Democrats nationwide?� The Free Press (2 November 2006); reproduced online at the Centre for Research on Globalization, http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=viewArticle&code=FIT20061102&articleid=3681

Friedman, Brad. �HERE WE GO AGAIN: �Just Push the Yellow Button and Vote as Many Times as You Want� on Sequoia Touch-Screen Voting Machines!� The Brad Blog (2 November 2006), http://www.bradblog.com/?p=3714

Harris, Bev. �10-31-06: Reports from the front line� Anyone who can get at the yellow button can ruin the election. It takes no password, no computer knowledge, no equipment.� BlackBoxVoting.org (31 October 2006), http://www.bbvforums.org/cgi-bin/forums/board-auth.cgi?file=/1954/44823.html

Jones, Doug. Voting and Elections. http://www.cs.uiowa.edu/%7Ejones/voting/

Kuttner, Robert. �Hampering the Vote.� The Boston Globe (28 October 2006); reproduced online by Common Dreams News Center (29 October 2006), http://www.commondreams.org/views06/1028-20.htm.

Miller, Mark Crispin. �Our Rigged Elections, Part I: The Elephant in the Polling Booth.� The Washington Spectator (1 October 2006); reproduced online at Truthout.org, http://www.truthout.org/docs_2006/101906O.shtml

----. �Our Rigged Elections, Part II: The GOP Playbook: How to steal the vote.� The Washington Spectator (15 October 2006); reproduced online at Truthout.org, http://www.treuthout.org/docs_2006/101906O.shtml

Solar Bus Election Justice Center. http://election.solarbus.org

Stokes, Jon �Hannibal�. �How to steal an election by hacking the vote.� Arstechnica.com (25 October 2006), http://arstechnica.com/articles/culture/evoting.ars

Warren, Kenneth F., and Steve Freeman. �Instructions for Conducting an Election Verification Exit Poll.� ElectionIntegrity.org (29 October 2006), http://www.electionintegrity.org/Do_Your_Own_Exit_Poll.pdf

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1 See �TruthIsAll�, �Quantifying the Risk: 2006 Polling Analysis (10/28 Update),� Progressive Independent (28 October 2006), http://www.progressiveindependent.com/dc/dcboard.php?az=show_topicv&forum=120&topic_id=3264.

2 Ibid.

3 One of the more notorious Senate upsets in 2002, Max Cleland�s defeat in Georgia by the chicken-hawk Republican Saxby Chambliss, appeared at the time to be highly suspect. Pre-election polls gave Cleland a 5 percent lead, but Chambliss won by 7 percent in an election that was entirely conducted by Diebold Corporation. In the more recent of his two articles cited below, Robert F. Kennedy Jr. provides evidence from a Diebold insider that immediately prior to the election Diebold�s CEO illegally altered the software in the touch-screen machines which counted the votes.

4 I summarized much of this evidence in my article �The Strange Death of American Democracy: Endgame in Ohio,� Centre for Research on Globalization (24 January 2005), http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=viewArticle&code=KEE20050124&articleid=389. (The opening section of that article contains two small errors: the Scioto Country Club at which Kenneth Blackwell spoke is in Columbus, Ohio, not in Scioto County; and Congressman King�s indiscretion dates not from the day of the election, but from a White House barbecue in 2003�a fact that makes it if anything more incriminating.)

5 Charles Rabin and Darran Simon, �Glitches cited in early voting,� The Miami Herald (28 October 2006), http://www.miami.com/mid/miamiherald/news/state/15869924.htm.

[EFLtrainer]

[EFLtrainer]

Voting Irregularities As They Happen

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Crashing voting machines raise ghost of US elections

[EFLtrainer]

Laura Ingraham�s Attempt To Jam DNC Phone Lines

[hogwonguy1979]

Just heard an Ohio Federal judge is ordering a number of precincts to stay open until 10P EST (noon here) because of electronic voting problems

this is gonna be fun

BTW if you have streamtv they are showing CNN US's coverage

[EFLtrainer]

I'm watching MSNBC via TVU/Viidoo as I don't have stream.

[EFLtrainer]

NRCC Robo Calling in Nebraska?

[Milwaukiedave]

[Gopher]

...I just reviewed the first few pages of this thread.

So, then, no more denunciations of outright fraud, FBI voter intimidation, stolen elections, banana-dictatorships and Venezuelan voting-machine conspiracies, the Bush clan's owning the Supreme Court, calls for the "neutral" Swiss or other foreign observers to keep our process honest, or any number of other hyperbolic things, etc., etc., hmmm?

And now we are expected to believe that suddenly the police state has decided to roll over and let its opponents take the House (and the purse) and make, at the very least, serious inroads in the Senate? So, I guess that means we can call ourselves "a democracy" again, right?

P.S. Maybe it is time to accept that the Democrats actually lost in 2000, 2002, and 2004, and that is all that there really is to the explanation...?

[EFLtrainer]

gopher, where did you leave your intellectual honesty? You used to at least make the attempt. Maybe I've been too hard on you. I didn't intend to geld you.

I fully expected fraud, and we saw it. However, those who truly value freedom have been highly mobilized by all the recent fraud in elections. Or did you not notice that THE biggest exit poll issue was scandals? Do you think that did not include the disenfranchisement of thousands, no, MILLIONS over the last several vote cycles? Do you seriously believe this? No, it became clear early on that voters were hyper-vigilant and that judges were not hesitating to reinforce voters' rights with extensions, etc. Still, they tried. And what happened? Rather than hearing days, weeks or months later that the FBI *might* investigate, we had stories of the FBI investigating NOW.

To put it simply: the American people just said no to vote fraud. When the American people make up their mind about a thing, no party or pseudo-dictator is going to stand against it. You saw democracy in action. You think trying to belittle me, and by extension, a majority of patriotic Americans, makes you look like a big man? Go ahead. Think that. *I* think Americans woke up and simply didn't make it possible for the GOP to treat them like idiotic sheep yet again.

So, when it became clear that vote fraud was not going to be the story of this election, I stopped posting on it.

People are scared, gopher.

And no, the GOP did not win in 2000. History will show this. I suggest you hold your tongue till after this Congress has either done their special investigations or has decided they would be too divisive and simply forego them. At that point, you will be free to claim, incorrectly, that no fraud ever occurred.