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crazylemongirl
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 Posted: Tue Nov 07, 2006 5:06 pm Post subject: Has living in Korea impaired your speech? |
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I've been on the phone to people back in NZ a bit lately and have noticed something: people back home talk fast. Or perhaps it's that my own speech has slowed considerably after spending years talking to people with English as a foreign language.
What's worse is that I often find myself searching for words I don't use often. Gah! Korea has made me stupid. |
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Hosub
Joined: 17 Apr 2006
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| Posted: Tue Nov 07, 2006 5:17 pm Post subject: |
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| Tis natural. Set yourself back in NZ proper for a month and you'll be good as new. |
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kimchi_pizza
Joined: 24 Jul 2006
Location: "Get back on the bus! Here it comes!"
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| Posted: Tue Nov 07, 2006 5:23 pm Post subject: |
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Only after 2.5 bottles of San soju. My English is slurred, but my Korean really improves!  |
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crazylemongirl
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| Posted: Tue Nov 07, 2006 5:24 pm Post subject: |
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| kimchi_pizza wrote: |
| Only after 2.5 bottles of San soju. My English is slurred, but my Korean really improves! |
Me too! |
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RACETRAITOR
Joined: 24 Oct 2005
Location: Seoul, South Korea
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What I love hearing is when a foreigner develops a new accent for talking to Koreans more simply. I knew two girls who would put on a Jamaican accent whenever they speak to Koreans ("Your country, very pretty. We like...Korea food." Another one of my friends puts on an Italian accent ("My name Oronzo, like Orenji. Korea lady, very beautiful."). Makes me laugh every time.
If you do that, stop! |
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periwinkle
Joined: 08 Feb 2003
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| Posted: Tue Nov 07, 2006 6:11 pm Post subject: |
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I've got some konglish that seems to have replaced the original English- I think I mentioned "hand phone" and "air con" a few times back home, and I don't think I've always managed to catch myself when I've used it, either.  |
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Hater Depot
Joined: 29 Mar 2005
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| Posted: Tue Nov 07, 2006 6:22 pm Post subject: |
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| If you do that, stop! |
Seriously. This is one of my pet peeves -- it doesn't actually help people understand, and it's insulting to people who do speak English well. |
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The Hierophant
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| Posted: Tue Nov 07, 2006 6:35 pm Post subject: |
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| I'm an New Zealander, but I put on an American accent (that I've based on my friend from LA) when I talk to Koreans. I don't dumb down my words or speak broken English, just change the pronunication. It works, as far as understanding goes. |
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crazylemongirl
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| Posted: Tue Nov 07, 2006 6:43 pm Post subject: |
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| If you do that, stop! |
Seriously. This is one of my pet peeves -- it doesn't actually help people understand, and it's insulting to people who do speak English well. |
Depends on who I'm talking to. I might do it with lower level students, but not to adults. I do tend to speak in simpler sentences, I have a lot of Korean and Konglish littered in my speech and altered my accent (though that is more because I'm here on my Canadian passport). |
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RACETRAITOR
Joined: 24 Oct 2005
Location: Seoul, South Korea
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| Posted: Tue Nov 07, 2006 7:27 pm Post subject: |
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| crazylemongirl wrote: |
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| If you do that, stop! |
Seriously. This is one of my pet peeves -- it doesn't actually help people understand, and it's insulting to people who do speak English well. |
Depends on who I'm talking to. I might do it with lower level students, but not to adults. I do tend to speak in simpler sentences, I have a lot of Korean and Konglish littered in my speech and altered my accent (though that is more because I'm here on my Canadian passport). |
Try not to. Always speak grammatically to students, no matter what level they are. |
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crazylemongirl
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| Posted: Tue Nov 07, 2006 7:44 pm Post subject: |
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Try not to. Always speak grammatically to students, no matter what level they are. |
If the key of communication is to understand and be understood it seems to me that there is a case for 'dumbing down' for students in order for them to understand and be understood. Koreans biggest problem is that they translate everything word for word, so what I do is teach them to look for key concepts of a sentence and then correcting them as they build up more confidence.
Eg if I'm giving papers out to my students
I might say 'how many' and then hold up the papers. students respond with numbers and please.
Once they've master that I add in 'how many papers'
Then I might add in 'How many papers do you want/need?' And expect a full sentence.
Seems to me that being able to get down to your students level and then bringing them up with you is far more effective than starting out high and having them in mass confusion. |
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Hater Depot
Joined: 29 Mar 2005
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| That's a lot different from leaving out articles and otherwise talking like a two-year old which is what I've seen several teachers do. |
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cj1976
Joined: 26 Oct 2005
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I've found that living here has affected my vocabulary in alarming ways. For instance, I sometimes find myself referring to football as 'soccer'. The shame of it hurts me right to the very bone.
However, I blame Americans and Candians, not Koreans for the slow disintegration of my language.  |
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jlb
Joined: 18 Sep 2003
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| Posted: Tue Nov 07, 2006 9:09 pm Post subject: |
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| Yes, Korea make me stupid. I speak slow now. Simply too. Sometimes I forget big words. |
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RACETRAITOR
Joined: 24 Oct 2005
Location: Seoul, South Korea
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| Posted: Tue Nov 07, 2006 9:54 pm Post subject: |
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| crazylemongirl wrote: |
Eg if I'm giving papers out to my students
I might say 'how many' and then hold up the papers. students respond with numbers and please.
Once they've master that I add in 'how many papers'
Then I might add in 'How many papers do you want/need?' And expect a full sentence.
Seems to me that being able to get down to your students level and then bringing them up with you is far more effective than starting out high and having them in mass confusion. |
That's not exactly what I'm talking about. "How many?" is a good phrase to teach. If you were to say "The papers, how many?" or "What number paper?" that would be wrong, and more the kind of bad English that English speakers often use on Koreans.
If you were to speak like you were trying to buy a hat from a Jamaican woman near the cruise ship, that also would be wrong. |
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