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Meegook
Joined: 12 Oct 2006
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"Question with boldness even the existence of God; because, if there be one, he must more approve of the homage of reason than that of blindfolded fear." - Thomas Jefferson
"Religions are all alike - founded upon fables and mythologies." - Thomas Jefferson
"History, I believe, furnishes no example of a priest-ridden people maintaining a free civil government." - Thomas Jefferson
"In no instance have . . . the churches been guardians of the liberties of the people." - James Madison
" The divinity of Jesus is made a convenient cover for absurdity." - John Adams
"Lighthouses are more helpful than churches." - Benjamin Franklin
"...the number, the industry, and the morality of the priesthood, and the devotion of the people, have been manifestly increased by the total separation of the church from the State - James Madison
"Every new and successful example, therefore, of a perfect separation between the ecclesiastical and civil matters, is of importance; and I have no doubt that every new example will succeed, as every past one has done, in showing that religion and Government will both exist in greater purity the less they are mixed together" - James Madison
"Leave the matter of religion to the family altar, the church, and the private schools, supported entirely by private contributions. Keep the church and the state forever separated." - Ulysses S. Grant
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"Can the liberties of a nation be thought secure when we have removed their only firm basis, a conviction in the minds of the people that these liberties are the gift of God? That they are not to be violated but with His wrath? I tremble for my country when I reflect that God is just; that His justice cannot sleep forever."
President Thomas Jefferson
"The reason that Christianity is the best friend of Government is because Christianity is the only religion that changes the heart."
President Thomas Jefferson
"Of all systems of morality, ancient or modern, which have come under my observation, none appear to be so pure as that of Jesus."
Thomas Jefferson, To William Canby, 1813
"We have no government armed in power capable of contending in human passions ubridled by morality and religion. Our constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate for the government of any other."
John Adams, address to the militia of Massachusetts, 1798.
"I hold the precepts of Jesus as delivered by Himself, to be the most pure, benevolent and sublime which have ever been preached to man..."
President Thomas Jefferson |
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dogbert
Joined: 29 Jan 2003
Location: Killbox 90210
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| Posted: Thu Nov 09, 2006 10:29 pm Post subject: |
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You are a frickin' idiot. I have seen a lot of stupid people on this forum, but you have to be the stupidest.
Are you really an American? If so, kindly STFU and quit adding to the disrepute and scorn we have enough of thanks to morons like you. Jesus H. Christ!
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"Patrick Henry, that patriot and Founding Father of our country said, "It cannot be emphasized too strongly or too often that this great nation was founded not by religionists but by Christians . . . not on religions but on the Gospel of Jesus Christ".
Another spurious quotation. These words appear nowhere in the writings or recorded utterances of Patrick Henry."
http://www.snopes.com/politics/religion/capital.asp |
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Meegook
Joined: 12 Oct 2006
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| Posted: Thu Nov 09, 2006 10:29 pm Post subject: |
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"The highest story of the American Revolution is this: it connected in one indissoluble bond the principles of civil government with the principles of Christianity."
President John Adams
"Before any man can be considered as a member of civil society, he must be considered as a subject of the Governor of the Universe. And to the same Divine Author of every good and perfect gift [James 1:17] we are indebted for all those privileges and advantages, religious as well as civil, which are so richly enjoyed in this favored land."
James Madison
"We've staked the whole future of American civilization not on the power of government, far from it. We have staked the future of all our political institutions upon the capacity of each and all of us . . . to Govern ourselves according to the commandments of God. The future and success of America is not in this Constitution, but in the laws of God upon which this Constitution is founded."
President James Madison
"Providence has given to our people the choice of their rulers. And it is the duty as well as the privilege and interest, of a Christian nation to select and prefer Christians for their rulers."
First Chief Justice of Supreme Court John Jay |
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gang ah jee
Joined: 14 Jan 2003
Location: city of paper
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| Posted: Thu Nov 09, 2006 10:30 pm Post subject: |
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| dogbert wrote: |
| You are a frickin' idiot. I have seen a lot of stupid people on this forum, but you have to be the stupidest. |
Isn't he just. But he got banned from all the Thailand forums, so he has to come somewhere to spread his sh*t. |
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Meegook
Joined: 12 Oct 2006
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| Posted: Thu Nov 09, 2006 10:30 pm Post subject: |
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| dogbert wrote: |
You are a frickin' idiot. I have seen a lot of stupid people on this forum, but you have to be the stupidest.
Are you really an American? If so, kindly STFU and quit adding to the disrepute and scorn we have enough of thanks to morons like you. Jesus H. Christ!
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"Patrick Henry, that patriot and Founding Father of our country said, "It cannot be emphasized too strongly or too often that this great nation was founded not by religionists but by Christians . . . not on religions but on the Gospel of Jesus Christ".
Another spurious quotation. These words appear nowhere in the writings or recorded utterances of Patrick Henry."
http://www.snopes.com/politics/religion/capital.asp |
Why, because snopes says so?
So, you find a couple of quotes out of what dozens? or mor? that may perhaps be questionable or misquotes, and therefore throw the rest of the quotes by everyone else out too?
And I'm the stupidest person you've ever run across?
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ED209
Joined: 17 Oct 2006
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"It ain't the parts of the Bible that I can't understand that bother me, it is the parts that I do understand." - Mark Twain
"No man ever believes that the Bible means what it says; he is always convinced that it says what he means." - George Bernard Shaw
Are we going to cut and paste all night?
I've got some walls at home that need staring at. |
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gang ah jee
Joined: 14 Jan 2003
Location: city of paper
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| Posted: Thu Nov 09, 2006 10:35 pm Post subject: |
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I don't even know why Meegook cares about gay marriage in the States. It's not like he's ever going to live there again.
Maybe he just doesn't like the idea that gays could have successful marriages where he failed. |
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Big_Bird
Joined: 31 Jan 2003
Location: Sometimes here sometimes there...
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| Posted: Thu Nov 09, 2006 10:37 pm Post subject: |
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So Gang ah jee - tell us about what happened with your job?  |
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Meegook
Joined: 12 Oct 2006
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| Posted: Thu Nov 09, 2006 10:39 pm Post subject: |
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| Gang boy, as far as I can tell, lives in secular Femmy Land and has nothing to do all day but hang around other posters he doesn't care for and make a pest of himself. |
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Octavius Hite
Joined: 28 Jan 2004
Location: Househunting, looking for a new bunker from which to convert the world to homosexuality.
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| Posted: Thu Nov 09, 2006 10:41 pm Post subject: |
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| Femmy Land is that like Hymie Town? I've never been to either. |
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gang ah jee
Joined: 14 Jan 2003
Location: city of paper
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| Posted: Thu Nov 09, 2006 10:51 pm Post subject: |
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| Meegook wrote: |
| Gang boy, as far as I can tell, lives in secular Femmy Land and has nothing to do all day but hang around other posters he doesn't care for and make a pest of himself. |
Oh no, Meegook, I care for you. In fact, I pray for you.
Anyway, an interesting fact about secular Femmy land - my flatmate is a family lawyer, and she tells me that Femmy land has a child support cap of NZ$98,000 (about US$50,000). That means, you pay the same child support making $98,000 as you do making $1,000,000. You shoulda got divorced over here bro! Churr.
And yeah, I don't have a whole lot to do each day as a grad student. Like I said, I only have to teach three hours a week. Meegook fascinates me, so there ya go. |
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freethought
Joined: 13 Mar 2005
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| Posted: Thu Nov 09, 2006 10:58 pm Post subject: |
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| man this has gone downhill fast. It resembled an intelligent discussion in the beginning but has been reduced to a bunch of really old and stupid quotes. |
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gang ah jee
Joined: 14 Jan 2003
Location: city of paper
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| Posted: Thu Nov 09, 2006 10:59 pm Post subject: |
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| freethought wrote: |
| man this has gone downhill fast. It resembled an intelligent discussion in the beginning but has been reduced to a bunch of really old and stupid quotes. |
Welcome to the world of Meegook. |
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Satori
Joined: 09 Dec 2005
Location: Above it all
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Worst analogy? LMHO
Here's where you error. Family Research Council merely took the 'name brand polls and surveys and posted them. That's like stoccking the shelfs of a store with brand name products and letting customers inspect the merchandise. FRC didn't do the research themselves, so your Moore analogy doesn't hold water.
It would be as you suggest if the Christian store owner tampered with the brand names goods before he he place them on his shelfs.
You're free to dispute the results of the surveys posted and I encourage you to do so. The sources are all listed on the site and I provided a link. However, I think you'll find they are are accurately cited/quoted.
Once again, all you've done is attack the messnerger, in this case the Family Research Council, because you don't like the facts and can't dispute them.
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They may not have done the studies, but they have agency in selecting which studies to chose from. Sinse thier figure is lower than other very well excecuted studies we can surmise that there was or at the very least potentially could have been bias involved. This is not the same as your analogy.
They are not impartial, that is the point. |
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Meegook
Joined: 12 Oct 2006
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| Posted: Fri Nov 10, 2006 12:23 am Post subject: |
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| freethought wrote: |
| man this has gone downhill fast. It resembled an intelligent discussion in the beginning but has been reduced to a bunch of really old and stupid quotes. |
Yep, those really old and stupid quotes by those fuddie duddies, the Founding Fathers who risked their lifes, their fortunes and their sacred honor when they signed that Declaration of Independence.
Darn, the shelf-life of those old documents, including that Ancient Manuscript, the Bible, should be looked at more closely.
Maybe Bush was right:
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