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Are we being taken for the proverbial ride????
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thelaststraw



Joined: 07 Nov 2006

PostPosted: Mon Nov 13, 2006 4:28 pm    Post subject: Are we being taken for the proverbial ride???? Reply with quote

Hey, myself and well all the other foreign teachers at my hagwan are constantly carted around town to teach in various venues. Some are at companies, some at university, and most at local middle schools, my question is whether this is legal or not. The teachers as of late have all been very upset with the school (for too many reasons to list, pension or medical not being paid one of them) and i am just wondering if there is anything that we can do about this issue. Some teachers are spending up to about 10 hours a week just in driving time around the city in the school bus going from company to company. We have all mentioned the issue to the boss only to get the obligatory responses. Also i know that these places are not listed on our ARC's so can they really being doing this anyway. Also some of these places are paying the teachers directly into their accounts and the school requires us to transfer the funds to the schools account, and of course the amount that we finally get is so much lower (sometimes only about 15%).
I'm thinking its time to organize.....
Thanks for any advice.
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laogaiguk



Joined: 06 Dec 2005
Location: somewhere in Korea

PostPosted: Mon Nov 13, 2006 4:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

You are being taken for a ride, and getting buttf-ed at the same time. I would resign immediately and find another job. You can easily find something better.
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Hater Depot



Joined: 29 Mar 2005

PostPosted: Mon Nov 13, 2006 4:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

You're definitely being screwed. Resigning is not a bad choice, but if you don't feel like busting out the nuclear option yet, tell your boss you won't work at any other locations unless

a) it's on your ARC
b) you get paid adequately for travel time and expense

Then you can contact the Pension Office, and they can force compliance on that issue.


...of course you'll likely be fired for doing all that.
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Yu_Bum_suk



Joined: 25 Dec 2004

PostPosted: Mon Nov 13, 2006 4:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

What you're doing is highly illegal and there's a good chance it will get you deported. Resign and tell your boss that if he doesn't give you a letter of release immediately you will report him to immigration.
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laogaiguk



Joined: 06 Dec 2005
Location: somewhere in Korea

PostPosted: Mon Nov 13, 2006 4:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hater Depot wrote:
You're definitely being screwed. Resigning is not a bad choice, but if you don't feel like busting out the nuclear option yet, tell your boss you won't work at any other locations unless

a) it's on your ARC
b) you get paid adequately for travel time and expense

Then you can contact the Pension Office, and they can force compliance on that issue.


...of course you'll likely be fired for doing all that.


But, being fired is actually a good thing sometimes in Korea Wink Really! No letter of release needed.
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yesman



Joined: 15 Sep 2006

PostPosted: Mon Nov 13, 2006 4:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Because we're teaching illegally at other locations, I'm wondering what kind of trouble we could get in, as employees, if we were to bring this to outside attention. Anyone know?

Also, would it be advisable to go to the labor board first, or present the issue to our boss first?
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yesman



Joined: 15 Sep 2006

PostPosted: Mon Nov 13, 2006 4:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ah, I just read the two former posts that appeared...
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Mashimaro



Joined: 31 Jan 2003
Location: location, location

PostPosted: Mon Nov 13, 2006 4:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

laogaiguk wrote:

But, being fired is actually a good thing sometimes in Korea Wink Really! No letter of release needed.


You really don't need a letter of release if you are fired?

The after school program at my school is closing, and I was worried about getting an LOR and any other paperwork crap
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laogaiguk



Joined: 06 Dec 2005
Location: somewhere in Korea

PostPosted: Mon Nov 13, 2006 5:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mashimaro wrote:
laogaiguk wrote:

But, being fired is actually a good thing sometimes in Korea Wink Really! No letter of release needed.


You really don't need a letter of release if you are fired?

The after school program at my school is closing, and I was worried about getting an LOR and any other paperwork crap


While pretty darn sure, I am not 100% sure. Though, pretty darn sure Wink You visa is cancelled by the choice of the employer when they fire you.
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thelaststraw



Joined: 07 Nov 2006

PostPosted: Mon Nov 13, 2006 6:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well i do know that i have had to give them my ARC a couple of times, so i always just assumed that they were taking care of the legalities around working outside of the school but there is nothing on the back of my card, other than the dates where it has been extended.
The other thing and this may come as a huge shock to anyone who has ever worked in a hagwan but my boss can be a little hard to deal with.....
Also i am only a couple months shy of finishing my 3rd contract with the same school so i dont want to quit now and loose out on my ticket and bonus. I was blindly thinking i was being treated fairly until recently when i guess my boss has realised that im not resigning and now the fun has began.........
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ChuckECheese



Joined: 20 Jul 2006

PostPosted: Mon Nov 13, 2006 8:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

thelaststraw wrote:
Well i do know that i have had to give them my ARC a couple of times, so i always just assumed that they were taking care of the legalities around working outside of the school but there is nothing on the back of my card, other than the dates where it has been extended.
The other thing and this may come as a huge shock to anyone who has ever worked in a hagwan but my boss can be a little hard to deal with.....
Also i am only a couple months shy of finishing my 3rd contract with the same school so i dont want to quit now and loose out on my ticket and bonus. I was blindly thinking i was being treated fairly until recently when i guess my boss has realised that im not resigning and now the fun has began.........


You should have told your boss that you are going to renew when everything is paid for including your severance and airfare.
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BigBuds



Joined: 15 Sep 2005
Location: Changwon

PostPosted: Tue Nov 14, 2006 12:37 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

laogaiguk wrote:
Hater Depot wrote:
You're definitely being screwed. Resigning is not a bad choice, but if you don't feel like busting out the nuclear option yet, tell your boss you won't work at any other locations unless

a) it's on your ARC
b) you get paid adequately for travel time and expense

Then you can contact the Pension Office, and they can force compliance on that issue.


...of course you'll likely be fired for doing all that.


But, being fired is actually a good thing sometimes in Korea Wink Really! No letter of release needed.


This isn't exactly true.

If your employer doesn't inform immigration about your being fired and personally go into an immgration office to cancel your visa, then you do need a Letter of Release.

Being fired does have it's advantages though. If you are being screwed for things, you have a lot more options with the Labor Board if you're fired. If you quit, the Labor board looks at it as you were the one who broke the contract and will rarely do anything for anyone who has quit.
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JeJuJitsu



Joined: 11 Sep 2005
Location: McDonald's

PostPosted: Tue Nov 14, 2006 1:29 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Which proverb do you refer to in your "ride?"
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thelaststraw



Joined: 07 Nov 2006

PostPosted: Tue Nov 14, 2006 8:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Is there any way to confirm that we are really legally teaching in all these locations. Asking the director directly is not really a safe option as any dissension in the ranks could warrant a flogging at best......ANy ideas
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laogaiguk



Joined: 06 Dec 2005
Location: somewhere in Korea

PostPosted: Tue Nov 14, 2006 8:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

BigBuds wrote:


This isn't exactly true.

If your employer doesn't inform immigration about your being fired and personally go into an immgration office to cancel your visa, then you do need a Letter of Release.


Are you sure? Someone told me they were fired once and all they had to do was go down and say that they had quit (he had brought some documents with him just incase he needed to prove it). Now, that is just some guy telling me he did that, I have no reason to think he lied though. Just wondering if you have any proof of that.
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