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kylehawkins2000



Joined: 08 Apr 2003

PostPosted: Sun Aug 24, 2003 10:34 pm    Post subject: ESLcafe's weaknesses? Reply with quote

What do you think are the weaknesses of this site, from the perspective of first time teachers in Korea?

If you were going to start a website that was aimed at providing information to first-timers in Korea, what kind of information would you provide that is not easily available here?

What basic changes would you go with compared to this website? EG. Content, layout, etc.

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Kyle
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denz



Joined: 15 Jan 2003
Location: soapland. alternatively - the school of rock!

PostPosted: Sun Aug 24, 2003 11:26 pm    Post subject: yesh well Reply with quote

i'll give you all my ideas for.. erm... 20%.

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katydid



Joined: 02 Feb 2003
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 25, 2003 12:11 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Are you going into the website business Kyle?? Wink
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matthews_world



Joined: 15 Feb 2003

PostPosted: Mon Aug 25, 2003 12:24 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'd personally like to see a better search engine for old posts. Type in a search word, you get several pages to browse instead of posts with that exact word.

A FAQ section for new users would be helpful. Here they could learn how to use the board more effectively.

I'd like to see a section on schools. Seems some of the newer users come on here wanting only information on a certain school. If we had these schools catagorized, it would make it easier to find such info.

Hope that makes sense.



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kylehawkins2000



Joined: 08 Apr 2003

PostPosted: Mon Aug 25, 2003 4:41 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Am I going into the website business? Well, I don't know....I'll give it a definite "Maybe"

I just see an awful lot of the same questions and problems occuring on this site. I think it might be useful to have a site that caters more directly to a certain demographic eg. first-time teachers thinking about working in Korea.
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 25, 2003 4:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

i agree about the search engine.

i feel after reading this forum about 4 months before coming here, that a lot of the posts just got me a little paranoid...so i would love to see a categorisation of "information" and "opinions"....then the newbie can dive straight for the info and not be tainted by people's individual experiences.
don't get me wrong here, i say it with respect, i just think we have such individual ideas, that like everything in life, one just has to experience it, and live it, rather than read about it.
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The Lemon



Joined: 11 Jan 2003

PostPosted: Mon Aug 25, 2003 5:27 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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i would love to see a categorisation of "information" and "opinions"....then the newbie can dive straight for the info and not be tainted by people's individual experiences.

The trick there, of course, is the person who wrote what you're calling an "opinion" thought it was "information". It's a critical thinking skill the reader of any post here needs.

Waterbaby's FAQ sticky in the FAQ forum is an excellent effort at providing a directory to essential info contained within the 70000+ posts on the board. We like suggestions about things like that, if you've got em. Smile Anything to make the board easier...
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waterbaby



Joined: 01 Feb 2003
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 25, 2003 5:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've been working on an FAQ section here to cover the questions that come up over and over again... for newbies and old timers. At the moment it's just a collection of links grouped together. (I shouldn't say "just"... it's a big job & it's taken a looong time!)

The first cut is pretty rough... The information design is far from perfect but it's a start...

http://www.eslcafe.com/forums/korea/viewtopic.php?t=7464

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The Great Wall of Whiner



Joined: 24 Jan 2003
Location: Middle Land

PostPosted: Mon Aug 25, 2003 6:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

One of the weaknesses is (waiting for mods to throw rotten fruit at me) is the un-democratic nature of "mod-ship".

I think to bring this site to a higher, evolved status, we the membership should "elect" an odd-number of mods on a 6-month basis.


Well...that and Kryptonite
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Corvid



Joined: 21 Apr 2003
Location: Suwon

PostPosted: Mon Aug 25, 2003 9:24 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Okay, so I'm new to Korea, and the subject has come up about sending money back home. The sticky thing is great, with all that information easy to find at the top, but it's all messy and contradictory. Eventually, after the dust has settled, these topics should be condensed to what is true, accurate and helpful. Not that people shouldn't be able to add information, but something like:

Wire transfer: always a rip-off. If you have to, XXX bank is best.
Bank draft: second best way. Best banks: XXX, YYY. Then mail the check to your bank.
Trusted friend with an international bank card from XXX, YYY, or ZZZ bank is the best way with the best exchange rates. Getting one is dodgy. Take a Korean friend who can ask, "This will work in Topeka, Kansas, right?"

Info provided by, Zy, KiC, Rist H, etc. (for example)
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matthews_world



Joined: 15 Feb 2003

PostPosted: Mon Aug 25, 2003 4:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I guess what I meant was including Policy and Procedure questions in an FAQ page.

I just saw Dave's Guidelines for the first time.

Perhaps MOD's can off-shoot from Dave's and post policy for this board.

Direct new members to visit the guidelines pages and FAQ sections when they sign up. This will minimize the repeat and unwanted posts.

Nice work Waterbaby! How about cataloging schools in that thread.



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The Lemon



Joined: 11 Jan 2003

PostPosted: Mon Aug 25, 2003 5:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Direct new members to visit the guidelines pages and FAQ sections when they sign up. This will minimize the repeat and unwanted posts.

We've talked about this - the idea has a lot of support. One thing that might be good is to include references to those things in the "Welcome to Dave's" e-mail that gets sent out after registration.
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chronicpride



Joined: 16 Jan 2003

PostPosted: Mon Aug 25, 2003 7:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The Great Wall of Whiner wrote:


I think to bring this site to a higher, evolved status, we the membership should "elect" an odd-number of mods on a 6-month basis.



Excellent idea. I frequent some other forum sites (non-ESL) that have a large member base, who employ a system like this. They have one or two admins that are permanent to keep ongoing oversight for seamless transition over time, however the mod electoral approach works very well.
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 25, 2003 10:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The Lemon wrote:
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i would love to see a categorisation of "information" and "opinions"....then the newbie can dive straight for the info and not be tainted by people's individual experiences.

The trick there, of course, is the person who wrote what you're calling an "opinion" thought it was "information". It's a critical thinking skill the reader of any post here needs.

Waterbaby's FAQ sticky in the FAQ forum is an excellent effort at providing a directory to essential info contained within the 70000+ posts on the board. We like suggestions about things like that, if you've got em. Smile Anything to make the board easier...


i've seen it and its a great idea.
in a way its an indication that if a strict category of opinion and information had been in place right from the beginning, then waterbaby wouldn't have to sift through everything. maybe to get a balance one could have 2 sub-categories..e.g. topic: visa run....sub category 1: info on how to...sub-category 2: people's experience of it...?
i dunno, its jsut there is masses of helpful information amidst the discussions, its a question of filing it. so i reckon the ideal would be for the writer to separate the two initially, and save the mod's a lot of work.
edit: and if it is purely a rant or opinion, then no problem just leave the info section blank.
hmm, may make things a bit sterile though.....
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waterbaby



Joined: 01 Feb 2003
Location: Baking Gord a Cheescake pie

PostPosted: Tue Aug 26, 2003 2:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

matthews_world wrote:
How about cataloging schools in that thread


No need when Lost Seoul and Stunted Wookie have www.hagwonreport.com ... and other sites out there too... why reinvent the wheel? Very Happy

I hear what people are saying about how they have to wade through so much waffle and misinformation to get to the information that they need. Yeah, it's frustrating. It would be ideal to have a whole forum with definitive answers to the FAQs, split each individual threads into what's waffle and what's accurate and useful... but as this is a love job... it's gonna take a loooong time.

The current FAQs sticky is unfinished form which is why I haven't been a big advocate of it yet and promoting it... a work in progress. I would have liked to put it up in a finished form... but The Lemon gently encouraged me to post it... besides it's going to take ages to finish and I needed to check my BB code! But mentioning it the welcome to dave's email you get upon registration is a good idea.

Cool, keep 'em coming! Cool
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