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jurassic82
Joined: 21 Jun 2006
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 Posted: Sun Nov 19, 2006 7:07 pm Post subject: 2.3 Too High????? |
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I have a question for you all about seaching for jobs and negotiating pay. I am going to be looking for jobs again soon and I was wondering if demanding 2.3 was too high. I was debating doing a TESOL Certificate but is it really necessary in order to get a higher salary? I primarly looking for jobs in Seoul and the surrounding area. I have one year experience working with kids in Korea and two years experience working with adults back home in the states. Do you think this will be enough to land me a higher salary. Anyways I would appreciate any advice.  |
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Darkness
Joined: 12 Oct 2006
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| Posted: Sun Nov 19, 2006 7:08 pm Post subject: |
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| I thought after one year of experience you would be able to get more at 2.3, seems most 1st time jobs are almost paying that... 2.0 - 2.3 |
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laogaiguk
Joined: 06 Dec 2005
Location: somewhere in Korea
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| Posted: Sun Nov 19, 2006 7:09 pm Post subject: Re: 2.3 Too High????? |
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| jurassic82 wrote: |
| I have a question for you all about seaching for jobs and negotiating pay. I am going to be looking for jobs again soon and I was wondering if demanding 2.3 was too high. I was debating doing a TESOL Certificate but is it really necessary in order to get a higher salary? I primarly looking for jobs in Seoul and the surrounding area. I have one year experience working with kids in Korea and two years experience working with adults back home in the states. Do you think this will be enough to land me a higher salary. Anyways I would appreciate any advice. |
Doesn't hurt to ask. You might be able to get it. What was the work with adults back home by the way?
If you plan on keeping this up past one more year (ie doing it for more than 2 years), I would suggest thinking about a GOOD tesol certificate and start planning even higher qualifications (just planning). |
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antoniothegreat
Joined: 28 Aug 2005
Location: Yangpyeong
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| Posted: Sun Nov 19, 2006 7:11 pm Post subject: |
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for government sponsored teaching jobs (like EPIK) a TESOL is worth 200,000 a month...
but it must have 100 hours of instruction in it. and the certificate must say this, or you must produce some document proving 100 hours, otherwise its worth shack and jit. |
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TheUrbanMyth
Joined: 28 Jan 2003
Location: Retired
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| Posted: Sun Nov 19, 2006 7:43 pm Post subject: |
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| antoniothegreat wrote: |
for government sponsored teaching jobs (like EPIK) a TESOL is worth 200,000 a month...
but it must have 100 hours of instruction in it. and the certificate must say this, or you must produce some document proving 100 hours, otherwise its worth shack and jit. |
It's 100,000 a month not 2..unless somebody you know of got some really sweet deal.
And my friend got the raise with a 40 hour TESOL...so either they didn't look at it, or they were desperate for a teacher or something. |
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TheUrbanMyth
Joined: 28 Jan 2003
Location: Retired
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| Posted: Sun Nov 19, 2006 7:46 pm Post subject: Re: 2.3 Too High????? |
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| jurassic82 wrote: |
| I have a question for you all about seaching for jobs and negotiating pay. I am going to be looking for jobs again soon and I was wondering if demanding 2.3 was too high. I was debating doing a TESOL Certificate but is it really necessary in order to get a higher salary? I primarly looking for jobs in Seoul and the surrounding area. I have one year experience working with kids in Korea and two years experience working with adults back home in the states. Do you think this will be enough to land me a higher salary. Anyways I would appreciate any advice. |
A TESOL will land you a higher salary (at least for now) in the public school positions. I get an extra 100,000 a month for mine which equates to 1.3 for the year. Going to a rural area as opposed to Seoul will also give you an ADDITIONAL 100,000 won per month...but I guess you're not interested in that, just thought I'd throw that in there so you could consider all options, if a higher salary is priority number 1  |
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laogaiguk
Joined: 06 Dec 2005
Location: somewhere in Korea
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| Posted: Sun Nov 19, 2006 7:52 pm Post subject: |
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| TheUrbanMyth wrote: |
| antoniothegreat wrote: |
for government sponsored teaching jobs (like EPIK) a TESOL is worth 200,000 a month...
but it must have 100 hours of instruction in it. and the certificate must say this, or you must produce some document proving 100 hours, otherwise its worth shack and jit. |
It's 100,000 a month not 2..unless somebody you know of got some really sweet deal.
And my friend got the raise with a 40 hour TESOL...so either they didn't look at it, or they were desperate for a teacher or something. |
http://www.cltintl.com/epik_info_sheet.asp
TESOL is worth more and must be more than 100 hours. |
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ChuckECheese
Joined: 20 Jul 2006
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| Posted: Sun Nov 19, 2006 9:30 pm Post subject: |
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With your experience and few nice recommendation letters, you should be able to get 2.4 or even 2.5 mil.
Negotiate, negotiate, negotiate..... If they don't negotiate, move on to other jobs because there are plenty.
You have to be a fool to accept what ever they offered initially.
Schools in Korea are deseparate for FTs. It's teacher's market.
The next few months will be teacher's heaven. |
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archer904
Joined: 04 Sep 2006
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| Posted: Sun Nov 19, 2006 9:56 pm Post subject: |
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| ChuckECheese wrote: |
Schools in Korea are deseparate for FTs. It's teacher's market.
The next few months will be teacher's heaven. |
As someone who is trying to hire foreign teachers right now, I can confirm this. We're offering 2.0 to all new applicants, but we'd go up to 2.1 for anyone who asked (pretty much), 2.2 for someone with experience or advanced credentialing (TESOL cert. or Master's degree), and 2.3 for someone with a TESOL cert AND experience OR a Master's in Education or English. |
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Hopelessly Human
Joined: 03 Oct 2006
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| Posted: Sun Nov 19, 2006 10:50 pm Post subject: |
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My recruiter just dumped me because I asked for 2.1. I have a TESOL, but no experience. Also, before I mentioned wanting 2.1 he gave me a couple of offers for 2.0. I turned down the first one because it had kinder, which I didn't want, plus it wasn't in or near Seoul. And the other I never turned down, I just brought up a couple of things about the contract: In his email he said they had books and a curriculum. In the contract it said: "The primary responsibilities of employee: A: Curriculum design and implementation. B: Development of educational programs and materials." This is a contridiction to what he said. Am I right?
So, either he assumed I turned it down, or he mentioned it to the school and they didn't like it. Anyway, after getting the offers, I started to learn more of what I wanted and didn't want, so I narrowed it down. That's when I mentioned 2.1. And that's when he dumped me. " . . . your wish are too high," he said. "We don't think our schools pay you 2.1 Million won." He also said I was too old anyway: 41. "We don't want to waste our time anymore," he said.
But he did wish me good luck, with smiley faces. |
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Satin
Joined: 26 Oct 2006
Location: Texas
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| Posted: Mon Nov 20, 2006 3:08 am Post subject: Stay firm! |
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My recruiter just dumped me because I asked for 2.1. I have a TESOL, but no experience. Also, before I mentioned wanting 2.1 he gave me a couple of offers for 2.0. I turned down the first one because it had kinder, which I didn't want, plus it wasn't in or near Seoul. And the other I never turned down, I just brought up a couple of things about the contract: In his email he said they had books and a curriculum. In the contract it said: "The primary responsibilities of employee: A: Curriculum design and implementation. B: Development of educational programs and materials." This is a contridiction to what he said. Am I right?
So, either he assumed I turned it down, or he mentioned it to the school and they didn't like it. Anyway, after getting the offers, I started to learn more of what I wanted and didn't want, so I narrowed it down. That's when I mentioned 2.1. And that's when he dumped me. " . . . your wish are too high," he said. "We don't think our schools pay you 2.1 Million won." He also said I was too old anyway: 41. "We don't want to waste our time anymore," he said.
But he did wish me good luck, with smiley faces. |
You are probably better off not having a recruiter like that. I'm 15 years older than you and have written off several recruiters who hedge because of age.
I've had over five offers within the past two weeks (have decided on a public school). I have a Master's with teaching certification (no TESOL). One hagwon was willing to pay 2.6 but the contract looked like a nightmare in the making. The other three hagwons were between 2.3 and 2.5. You just have to do your " homework" and not settle for less.
I think that as the public schools increase the numbers of foreign teachers, the private schools are going to feel the crunch. Undoubtedly, a whole forum could be dedicated on the pros and cons of public versus private -- and an individual is entitled to an opinion and choice. The point is, is that I think the private schools will have to either compensate by raising the salaries, or some other kind of enticement to recruit the teachers they need.
You were also correct in the contradiction of the contract. The guidelines in the contract forum are a great reference. If the school is unwilling to change the wording and/or delete penalty clauses, then you're better off to keep looking. |
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TheUrbanMyth
Joined: 28 Jan 2003
Location: Retired
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| Posted: Mon Nov 20, 2006 3:56 am Post subject: |
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| laogaiguk wrote: |
| TheUrbanMyth wrote: |
| antoniothegreat wrote: |
for government sponsored teaching jobs (like EPIK) a TESOL is worth 200,000 a month...
but it must have 100 hours of instruction in it. and the certificate must say this, or you must produce some document proving 100 hours, otherwise its worth shack and jit. |
It's 100,000 a month not 2..unless somebody you know of got some really sweet deal.
And my friend got the raise with a 40 hour TESOL...so either they didn't look at it, or they were desperate for a teacher or something. |
http://www.cltintl.com/epik_info_sheet.asp
(1) TESOL is worth more and (2) must be more than 100 hours. |
(numbers are mine)
1. Where does it say what TESOL is worth?
2. No. It says it must be a 100 hours OR more. |
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laogaiguk
Joined: 06 Dec 2005
Location: somewhere in Korea
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| Posted: Mon Nov 20, 2006 4:04 am Post subject: |
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| TheUrbanMyth wrote: |
| laogaiguk wrote: |
| TheUrbanMyth wrote: |
| antoniothegreat wrote: |
for government sponsored teaching jobs (like EPIK) a TESOL is worth 200,000 a month...
but it must have 100 hours of instruction in it. and the certificate must say this, or you must produce some document proving 100 hours, otherwise its worth shack and jit. |
It's 100,000 a month not 2..unless somebody you know of got some really sweet deal.
And my friend got the raise with a 40 hour TESOL...so either they didn't look at it, or they were desperate for a teacher or something. |
http://www.cltintl.com/epik_info_sheet.asp
(1) TESOL is worth more and (2) must be more than 100 hours. |
(numbers are mine)
1. Where does it say what TESOL is worth?
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The TESOL bumps you up in the levels. Hence it's worth either 200000 or 300000, depending on how it is bumping you up.
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2. No. It says it must be a 100 hours OR more. |
Are you for real? What the hell were you thinking when you wrote that? I said it 'must be more than 100 hours'. Technically, there is an infinitismly (sp?) small amount of time that I left out of that statement, where the time is exactly 100 hours (to the nanosecond, well less, but lets say that), that you decided you need to point out, just incase there was anyone so moronically stupid they couldn't get that. |
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TheUrbanMyth
Joined: 28 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Mon Nov 20, 2006 4:16 am Post subject: |
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| [Are you for real? What the hell were you thinking when you wrote that? I said it 'must be more than 100 hours'. Technically, there is an infinitismly (sp?) small amount of time that I left out of that statement, where the time is exactly 100 hours (to the nanosecond, well less, but lets say that), that you decided you need to point out, just incase there was anyone so moronically stupid they couldn't get that. |
Are you that desperate to prove me wrong?
Stop talking about nanoseconds. We all know that's what we were not discussing. There is NO course that says 99 hours and (insert number of nanoseconds here) so that's completely irrevelant.
You need a course of 100 hours (mimimum) It can be more but does not have to be. Like I said I know people who have gotten the raise for the TESOL with less than a 100 hours.
Likewise the claim for the pay for TESOL. It bumps you up by 100,000. I've never seen anywhere that it went by more. The difference between pay 2 and 1 is experience. |
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laogaiguk
Joined: 06 Dec 2005
Location: somewhere in Korea
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| Posted: Mon Nov 20, 2006 4:26 am Post subject: |
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| TheUrbanMyth wrote: |
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| [Are you for real? What the hell were you thinking when you wrote that? I said it 'must be more than 100 hours'. Technically, there is an infinitismly (sp?) small amount of time that I left out of that statement, where the time is exactly 100 hours (to the nanosecond, well less, but lets say that), that you decided you need to point out, just incase there was anyone so moronically stupid they couldn't get that. |
Are you that desperate to prove me wrong?
Stop talking about nanoseconds. We all know that's what we were not discussing. There is NO course that says 99 hours and (insert number of nanoseconds here) so that's completely irrevelant.
You need a course of 100 hours (mimimum) It can be more but does not have to be. Like I said I know people who have gotten the raise for the TESOL with less than a 100 hours.
Likewise the claim for the pay for TESOL. It bumps you up by 100,000. I've never seen anywhere that it went by more. |
What, you are just being argumentative. You provided incomplete information. I provided the ACTUAL requirements. I am not desperate to prove you wrong. I wanted to give the OP the "ACTUAL" requirements. The fact that you said I was wrong by writing (> 100 hours) when the actual site says (>= 100 hours) shows you are the one just trying to prove something wrong. Are you drunk?
I just showed how it bumps you up. What the hell are you doing? All I did was show a site with the correct information from the people who run the program. I am right, and you are probably right. But my information is 100%. Yours is based on people you know, and taking a chance. I think the OP would rather know what the "ACTUAL" requirments are. |
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