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regicide



Joined: 01 Sep 2006
Location: United States

PostPosted: Sun Nov 12, 2006 7:19 pm    Post subject: EFL or ESL Reply with quote

Is English a second language or a foreign language in Korea? In other words, are we EFL Teachers or ESL Teachers?
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tzechuk



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PostPosted: Sun Nov 12, 2006 7:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

English is a foreign language in Korea.

English is only a second language in countries where they use English as an official language, like Hong Kong and Singapore.
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gang ah jee



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PostPosted: Sun Nov 12, 2006 8:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

EFL.
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regicide



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PostPosted: Sun Nov 19, 2006 3:44 am    Post subject: EFL Reply with quote

That seems to be the definition in the major dictionaries as well. Then why is ESL almost always used, including the name of this site, when it is in fact EFL?
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VanIslander



Joined: 18 Aug 2003
Location: Geoje, Hadong, Tongyeong,... now in a small coastal island town outside Gyeongsangnamdo!

PostPosted: Sun Nov 19, 2006 4:03 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

ELT
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braunshade



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PostPosted: Sun Nov 19, 2006 4:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

So, what are we called if we teach in a country where English is the first/native language like UK, US......
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VanIslander



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PostPosted: Sun Nov 19, 2006 4:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

ELT
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regicide



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PostPosted: Sun Nov 19, 2006 7:03 pm    Post subject: TESOL Reply with quote

What about a Teacher of English to speakers of other languages?
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regicide



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PostPosted: Thu Nov 23, 2006 5:11 am    Post subject: EFL Reply with quote

gang ah jee wrote:
EFL.


It must be that it is not a big deal since everyone seems to know what is right, but uses the wrong description more often than not.


English is a second language in the Philippines and India , to name a few places. Everyone here is an EFL teacher.
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gang ah jee



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PostPosted: Thu Nov 23, 2006 5:15 am    Post subject: Re: EFL Reply with quote

regicide wrote:
It must be that it is not a big deal since everyone seems to know what is right, but uses the wrong description more often than not.

Most people here don't know or care which is right, but what can ya do. In most cases it makes no difference in the the Korean context anyway.

And VanIslander, ELT has some serious limitations as an acronym. For example, you can't say 'I teach ELT', and you can't call yourself an ELT teacher.
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ddeubel



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PostPosted: Thu Nov 23, 2006 5:16 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Quote:
Everyone here is an EFL teacher.


This is way too all encompassing, way too generalizing and way too simple.....

the world doesn't work this way nor do categories persay... and I am not getting Kantian..... just stating the obvious that a moniker doesn't fit reality... even here or even in wonderland....i'm sure Caroll would carol and concurr...

DD
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regicide



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PostPosted: Fri Nov 24, 2006 2:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

ddeubel wrote:
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Everyone here is an EFL teacher.


This is way too all encompassing, way too generalizing and way too simple.....

the world doesn't work this way nor do categories persay... and I am not getting Kantian..... just stating the obvious that a moniker doesn't fit reality... even here or even in wonderland....i'm sure Caroll would carol and concurr...

DD


How about no one here is an ESL Teacher? ( for those working in a Hagwan, University or company as an English Teacher)
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jajdude



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PostPosted: Fri Nov 24, 2006 4:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Just to be silly, I liked the term EVFL:

V for very.

How about EVIL? (very international?)
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regicide



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PostPosted: Thu Dec 28, 2006 9:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

ESL - English as a second language


English for use in an English-speaking region, by someone whose first language is not English. The use of this term is restricted to certain countries. See the discussion in Terminology and types



From Wikepedia:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ESL/ESOL/EFL/ELT


Is Korea one of these countries?

English outside English-speaking countries

EFL indicates the use of English in a non-English-speaking region. Study can occur either in the student's home country, as part of the normal school curriculum or otherwise, or, for the more privileged minority, in an anglophone country which they visit as a sort of educational tourist, particularly before or after graduating from university. TEFL is the teaching of English as a foreign language; note that this sort of instruction can take place in any country, English-speaking or not. Typically, EFL is learned either to pass exams as a necessary part of one's education, or for career progression while working for an organisation or business with an international focus. EFL may be part of the state school curriculum in countries where English has no special status (as is the case in most of the European Union); it may also be supplemented by lessons paid for privately. Teachers of EFL generally assume that students are literate in their mother tongue.

It seems EFL is the proper term in Korea.


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spyro25



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PostPosted: Thu Dec 28, 2006 9:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

never quote from wiki - i could have written that entry (i didnt though Smile)
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