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mindmetoo
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That and he doesn't pay his $1 for the Cokes he takes from the fridge.
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A $1 for a Coke? That's highway robbery. |
Yeah that does seem a lot. In Seattle, we always got our Coke free. |
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nautilus
Joined: 26 Nov 2005
Location: Je jump, Tu jump, oui jump!
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| Posted: Wed Dec 06, 2006 6:35 pm Post subject: |
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Its the result of the Korean education system. Too much writing and grammar, no speaking.
Fire him. Korens will have to learn the hard way how things work outside of planet korea. |
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Hollywoodaction
Joined: 02 Jul 2004
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| Posted: Wed Dec 06, 2006 7:45 pm Post subject: |
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OP, why is it such a big deal that he doesn't understand English? You said your brother works in IT, and this korean bloke's a developer, so I'm assuming the job requires a certain techincal skill that the Korean bloke, despite his pitiful English may well be more than qualified to deliver.
My Colombian ex-flatmate is a lovely bloke but has incredibly hard time using English (speak, read, write, listen). Yet he's a highly experienced and competent engineer and have recently been hired by a certain global company, to work for their UK branch at a senior position with jaw-dropping pay and perks. You'd think his English would have improved but it's still excruciating to talk to him cos he doesn't understand. My point being, he's hired based on his skills and not his English.
Reading your post, one can't help but feel that your borther has a) some sort of personal vendetta against the bloke for being Korean; or b) same as above but this time cos not only is he Korean but also he's not a fluent speaker of English. Or are you implying that both your brother and yourself believe that those who lack fluent English skills are less skilled, less likely to do the job they are hired to do, thus less employable? |
It's not head down work in this environment. It's dealing with real people and real problems on the factory floor. You need to be able to communicate in English and understand the problems people have. You need to work the chain and communicate with people and explain the problem to them and get them to bring their knowledge and skill to solve the problem.
I guess my brother's complaint is the Korean guy can't do that. Instead of getting on the phone and getting problems solved, he either gets his emails translated or works long and hard crafting his English in his email. In some fields, a couple hours here or there doesn't mean much, but if one part of the line is down, in a JIT world, that's disaster. That's real dollars. Careers end if down time goes past a certain number. Careers are made if down time is kept under some number.
That and he doesn't pay his $1 for the Cokes he takes from the fridge.
But only issue in my post was the guy got the job because he seemed to have very good English in the interview but has not demonstrated fluency on the job. They suspect the person interviewed wasn't the person who showed up for the job. Or, as was suggested elsewhere but I didn't mention it in the original post, he did something else (besides trying to game the system) we've all experienced as teachers: he memorized canned responses. I remember I had one girl in this essay class that would turn in the most beautifully written essays (when done as homework). I kept recommending she be placed in a more advanced class... until I had her write an essay in class. Oi. What poop. Either she was getting someone with better English to polish her essays or she stayed up long hours at night getting everything perfect.
My brother has nothing particular against Asians. He gives a lot of time off to one Chinese guy that does a bang up job and has a great way of handling a demanding plant manager. And since his beloved brother is in Korea, he would no doubt find some kind of kinship with the Korean guy. He just doesn't like that the guy can't do an important part of his job: talk to people in English. |
I understand your brother's complaints if his main main responsibility is making quick decisions related to the functioning of the assembly line. You simply can't have several hundred employees on the line waiting for an email to be written, sent, received, read, and replied to. It's totally inefficient and costs the company thousands of dollars at a time in lost productivity. Given that Ford is struggling to sell its cars nowadays, I can understand why this waste of money would be of some concern to the other employees. |
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sistersarah
Joined: 03 Jan 2004
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| Posted: Thu Dec 07, 2006 12:12 am Post subject: |
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in a way i'm glad to hear that the guy got hired..... i mean, my husband has been stressing about when we someday go to canada. he's worried that his english isn't good enough (he's completely fluent....just typical korean fear of the english). if that guy at your brother's firm is getting by, then my husband will have no problem!  |
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mindmetoo
Joined: 02 Feb 2004
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| Posted: Thu Dec 07, 2006 3:36 am Post subject: |
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| in a way i'm glad to hear that the guy got hired..... i mean, my husband has been stressing about when we someday go to canada. he's worried that his english isn't good enough (he's completely fluent....just typical korean fear of the english). if that guy at your brother's firm is getting by, then my husband will have no problem! |
A production line environment aside, I've worked with a lot of ESL types in IT , very fresh off the boat types. Not generally a problem. |
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R-Seoul
Joined: 23 Aug 2006
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| Has your brother asked him whether he can use a knife & fork or if he can eat bland food yet? |
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casey's moon
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| Posted: Thu Dec 07, 2006 7:34 pm Post subject: Re: My brother's department hired a Korean |
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My brother works at Ford, in IT. Here in Windsor we call it Ford's. But anyway, they hired this Korean developer. He carries around a Korean/English dictionary and never answers questions directly. He always says "email me the question" and then answers it in email. He basically understands very little English and is clearly fielding out the emails to someone with better English.
My brother asked to have him fired before his 3 months were up. His director, who hired him, over ruled him. My brother pointed out he doesn't seem to understand much English.
"How'd we hire him in the first place?"
The director responds "I swear when I interviewed him his english was much, much better."
They suspect he sent in a friend to do the interview and trusted whitey has a hard time telling them apart.
I told my brother it would not surprise me.
(Although to be fair, I've certainly stretched the truth at times in my resume depending on the job. Although sending in another person to interview for me is pretty ballsy.) |
Don't you think he just studied his arse off, guessing possible questions and memorizing answers? That, to me, is way more likely than sending someone else in. Some Koreans can be quite successful with this insane approach to English, but yeah -- it falls apart in any situation but the one they prepared for. |
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princess
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
Location: soul of Asia
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| and trusted whitey has a hard time telling them apart |
I've never understood this, but I know it's true for many people. I had a friend once who dated (and eventually married) a K guy. She admitted she couldn't pick him out of a crowd walking on the street. |
I don't understand this either. Koreans do NOT all look the same. I can pick the Koreans I know out in a crowd.  |
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princess
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
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| This is why I hate the US. Maybe Canada is similar in this respect. Immigrants are treated better than natural-born citizens. We would have to speak near fluent Korean to get a "decent" job in a Korean company, unless we mopped floors. Immigrants can go the west and get almost any job they want. Don't even get me started on those freebie, freeloading Mexicans. I wish I could go to another country and have the govt. keep me up. Mexicans are the race that have it made in today's world. Just munch off the working people. And anyone who works in the US has to pay tax to support welfare deadbeats. |
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princess
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
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| One more thing...it's almost impossible for Koreans to get into the US. Even for a one week vacation. What's so special about Mexicans? Do they have gold in their blood or something????? If I marry a Korean man we can live in Korea or Canada. |
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cbclark4
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The "Mexican Immigrants" are returning refugees from the "Manifest Destiny" policy of the US, a few generations removed but still the same many of these people were displaced by the policies of the US government when it expanded westward through the Louisana Territories and into the Texas Territories and California.
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SuperHero
Joined: 10 Dec 2003
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| Posted: Fri Dec 08, 2006 5:53 pm Post subject: |
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| Has your brother asked him whether he can use a knife & fork or if he can eat bland food yet? |
good question. |
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mindmetoo
Joined: 02 Feb 2004
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| Posted: Sat Dec 09, 2006 2:53 am Post subject: |
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| This is why I hate the US. Maybe Canada is similar in this respect. Immigrants are treated better than natural-born citizens. We would have to speak near fluent Korean to get a "decent" job in a Korean company, unless we mopped floors. Immigrants can go the west and get almost any job they want. |
Uhhhhhhh I know a couple Russian computer programmers that don't speak a lick of Korean and barely speak English and they're here in Korea working in software. Sorry, just because no one wants to hire you to work in Advertising in Korea doesn't mean those with technical skills are given a pass because they're not fluent.
I don't know many immigrants that get jobs in publishing, advertising, or any other of the hot jobs arts grads want.
Anyway, define "decent" job. A job that lets you paint your nails and sit in an office all day? C'mon. |
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OCOKA Dude
Joined: 04 Oct 2004
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| Posted: Sat Dec 09, 2006 8:57 am Post subject: Re: My brother's department hired a Korean |
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My brother works at Ford, in IT. Here in Windsor we call it Ford's. But anyway, they hired this Korean developer. He carries around a Korean/English dictionary and never answers questions directly. He always says "email me the question" and then answers it in email. He basically understands very little English and is clearly fielding out the emails to someone with better English.
My brother asked to have him fired before his 3 months were up. His director, who hired him, over ruled him. My brother pointed out he doesn't seem to understand much English.
"How'd we hire him in the first place?"
The director responds "I swear when I interviewed him his english was much, much better."
They suspect he sent in a friend to do the interview and trusted whitey has a hard time telling them apart.
I told my brother it would not surprise me.
(Although to be fair, I've certainly stretched the truth at times in my resume depending on the job. Although sending in another person to interview for me is pretty ballsy.) |
You seem to be getting your panties in a wad about this. Why do you care so much? Relax, fugget about iit, live and let live. (Save your breath for more important things, e.g., the ex-bellhop/high-school dropout from NYC, who worked as a English professor with three fraudulent degrees over at Konguk University. Rememer when he was caught back in November of 2004? Where was your outrage about this kind of fraud? Hmmm. I see.... |
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mindmetoo
Joined: 02 Feb 2004
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| Posted: Mon Dec 11, 2006 2:53 am Post subject: Re: My brother's department hired a Korean |
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My brother works at Ford, in IT. Here in Windsor we call it Ford's. But anyway, they hired this Korean developer. He carries around a Korean/English dictionary and never answers questions directly. He always says "email me the question" and then answers it in email. He basically understands very little English and is clearly fielding out the emails to someone with better English.
My brother asked to have him fired before his 3 months were up. His director, who hired him, over ruled him. My brother pointed out he doesn't seem to understand much English.
"How'd we hire him in the first place?"
The director responds "I swear when I interviewed him his english was much, much better."
They suspect he sent in a friend to do the interview and trusted whitey has a hard time telling them apart.
I told my brother it would not surprise me.
(Although to be fair, I've certainly stretched the truth at times in my resume depending on the job. Although sending in another person to interview for me is pretty ballsy.) |
You seem to be getting your panties in a wad about this. Why do you care so much? Relax, fugget about iit, live and let live. (Save your breath for more important things, e.g., the ex-bellhop/high-school dropout from NYC, who worked as a English professor with three fraudulent degrees over at Konguk University. Rememer when he was caught back in November of 2004? |
Panties in a wad? Not really. I just found it amusing the tactics my children use to game the system my brother has encountered on this side of the pond in grown adults.
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| Where was your outrage about this kind of fraud? Hmmm. I see.... |
And I didn't mention all the starving people in Africa either. I guess that means I don't have a problem with starvation. Golly. Imagine I simply stuck to the topic. |
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