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Matt_22
Joined: 22 Nov 2006
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 Posted: Thu Dec 14, 2006 1:13 am Post subject: How's this for a new guy? |
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How does this contract sound for a noob with no previous full-time teaching experience? Will this be too much of a workload? I've got an interview tomorrow at noon and need to have some good questions prepared..
School: Ilsan Cambridge School
Salalry: 2.3 million won
Housing: Pretty nice actually, at least from the pictures they sent.
Teaching group age:Elementary students ~ Middle
schools students
Teaching group: Mon, Wed, Friday :10:00am ~ 7:00pm
Tues,Thursday: 10:00am ~ 6:00pm |
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Sod_em_and_begorrah
Joined: 20 Nov 2006
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| Posted: Thu Dec 14, 2006 1:35 am Post subject: Re: How's this for a new guy? |
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| Matt_22 wrote: |
How does this contract sound for a noob with no previous full-time teaching experience? Will this be too much of a workload? I've got an interview tomorrow at noon and need to have some good questions prepared..
School: Ilsan Cambridge School
Salalry: 2.3 million won
Housing: Pretty nice actually, at least from the pictures they sent.
Teaching group age:Elementary students ~ Middle
schools students
Teaching group: Mon, Wed, Friday :10:00am ~ 7:00pm
Tues,Thursday: 10:00am ~ 6:00pm |
Sounds good but as far as I know starting at 10 means kindergarten, so beware of that.
By the way that's not the full contract-check through the numerous threads on here for good advice about what you need to be clear on.
Good luck! |
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Matt_22
Joined: 22 Nov 2006
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| Posted: Thu Dec 14, 2006 1:43 am Post subject: |
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| I understand that's not the full/formal/official contract. Thanks for the heads-up on the kindy issue though, I definitely don't want to deal with all that. Been there, done that, never wanna do it again. I'll make sure to ask about that during my interview tomorrow. |
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ttompatz
Joined: 05 Sep 2005
Location: Kwangju, South Korea
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| Posted: Thu Dec 14, 2006 1:49 am Post subject: Re: How's this for a new guy? |
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| Matt_22 wrote: |
How does this contract sound for a noob with no previous full-time teaching experience? Will this be too much of a workload? I've got an interview tomorrow at noon and need to have some good questions prepared..
School: Ilsan Cambridge School
Salalry: 2.3 million won
Housing: Pretty nice actually, at least from the pictures they sent.
Teaching group age:Elementary students ~ Middle
schools students
Teaching group: Mon, Wed, Friday :10:00am ~ 7:00pm
Tues,Thursday: 10:00am ~ 6:00pm |
They are not being entirely honest with you.
A 10am start time means you will be teaching Kindergarten to middle school age (7pm finish time).
6pm finish time means you are probably only teaching kindy to elementary with PERHAPS 1 middle school class.
When you interview, be sure to ask for the e-mail address of the foreign teacher so you can ask questions when the boss is NOT looking over his shoulder.
Ask specifically about:
+Pay -on time at at the end of your month or do they hold back a week or two to prevent runners?
+Pay - do they really pay overtime. Get the rate settled.
+Classes - how many, how long are they and what is the schedule really like.
+Pension and medical - do they really pay into it? Does the foreign teacher have the medical plan booklet?
+Vacations - how, when, how long and who decides? This is often a very big area of contention between teachers and hakwons.
+lunches - they are not considered a work hour? do you have to spend it with the kids?
+airfare to Korea - is it prepaid - in the contract it should be waived after 6 months.
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wylies99
Joined: 13 May 2006
Location: I'm one cool cat!
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| Posted: Thu Dec 14, 2006 3:50 pm Post subject: |
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| Since it will include kindies, that will be an exhausting day of work- EVERY day. |
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skconqueror
Joined: 31 Jul 2005
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| Posted: Thu Dec 14, 2006 4:20 pm Post subject: |
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| way too many hours.. I would never sign that contract. |
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mytime
Joined: 15 Oct 2006
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| Posted: Thu Dec 14, 2006 5:49 pm Post subject: |
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Wow I had the EXACT same schedule in my first year...btw I worked till 7pm but never had any middle schoolers
Anyway if you start at 10am that means you have to go in at 9am to prepare especially if you have Kindies
So you are at work from 9am to 7pm...you'll have a few hours free time during the day for sure (which you will use for preparation)
Believe me it sounds ok untill you meet other foreigners in the pub who don't start till 2 pm the next day
With that schedule you have no real life outside your hagwon for five days a week for ONE year
Compare that to a schedule that runs from 2pm to 8pm
Maybe you are concerned about the difficulty of teaching for the first time and you think its better to have lots of prep time but you really dont....one hour is enough to prepare for all your classes a day in your first year
Please dont take that job
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hubba bubba
Joined: 24 Oct 2006
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| Posted: Thu Dec 14, 2006 5:57 pm Post subject: |
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That looks great.
After teaching 8 or 9 hours a day, you can go back to the "pretty nice" officetel that you share with eight drunk slobs! |
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Matt_22
Joined: 22 Nov 2006
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| Posted: Thu Dec 14, 2006 11:21 pm Post subject: |
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wow you guys are right. i just finished my interview and they told me i'd have to commit to the following:
* 10 40-minute lessons per day with 10-15 minute breaks
* 3-4 kindy classes during the mornings (30-40 kids/class)
* i had to come in one hour early each day for lesson prep
* they are a christian academy (i am not a christian)
* they had no established curriculum, just a bunch of material straight from bob jones university of all places!
i just started laughing when i was told about the bob jones materials. it was just too much to handle. it sucks, i was hoping this job would work out, as the location is perfect (just next to lake park) and the pay so high. anyway, back to the job hunt i guess... |
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lover.asian
Joined: 30 Jan 2006
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| Posted: Fri Dec 15, 2006 5:04 am Post subject: |
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| Matt_22 wrote: |
wow you guys are right. i just finished my interview and they told me i'd have to commit to the following:
* 10 40-minute lessons per day with 10-15 minute breaks
* 3-4 kindy classes during the mornings (30-40 kids/class)
* i had to come in one hour early each day for lesson prep
* they are a christian academy (i am not a christian)
* they had no established curriculum, just a bunch of material straight from bob jones university of all places!
i just started laughing when i was told about the bob jones materials. it was just too much to handle. it sucks, i was hoping this job would work out, as the location is perfect (just next to lake park) and the pay so high. anyway, back to the job hunt i guess... |
From my experience, the so called "Christians" in Korea will screw you quicker than anyone else. |
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Son Deureo!
Joined: 30 Apr 2003
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| Matt_22 wrote: |
wow you guys are right. i just finished my interview and they told me i'd have to commit to the following:
* 10 40-minute lessons per day with 10-15 minute breaks
* 3-4 kindy classes during the mornings (30-40 kids/class)
* i had to come in one hour early each day for lesson prep
* they are a christian academy (i am not a christian)
* they had no established curriculum, just a bunch of material straight from bob jones university of all places!
i just started laughing when i was told about the bob jones materials. it was just too much to handle. it sucks, i was hoping this job would work out, as the location is perfect (just next to lake park) and the pay so high. anyway, back to the job hunt i guess... |
Wow, I was going to say that it sounded like a decent newbie job until I read all this. That sounds like a hogwon nightmare. |
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ChopChaeJoe
Joined: 05 Mar 2006
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Fri Dec 15, 2006 6:58 am Post subject: |
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| don't do. |
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venus
Joined: 25 Oct 2006
Location: Near Seoul
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No way would I reccomend anyone to go for this job...
I agree with lover.asaian also. Usually at hakwans whose owners are always professing to be christian and use it as a selling point to prospective parents are the ones to watch out for.
It's all a ruse to make the parents think their establishment is more caring etc and to attract kids with Christian parents I guess.
I worked for a hakwan once and the boss used to talk to me about being
Christian all the time, even trying to pursuade me to be one. Had all the posters with quotes from the bible about loving children in the lobby(not in a sick way) such as 'and he said unto them, go forth and be frutiful...' etc
Worst boss I've ever had in my life, ripped me and the other teacher off big time, firing us with three days notice to leave job and apt and never paying us previous months salary or refunding Japan visa trip etc... turns out he ran a business also that exploited Bangladeshi workers...
In Korea more than a lot of places being Christian is something Koreans do to be respctable, or to be perceived as respectable. |
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mateomiguel
Joined: 16 May 2005
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| Posted: Sun Dec 17, 2006 10:31 pm Post subject: |
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| Had all the posters with quotes from the bible about loving children in the lobby(not in a sick way) such as 'and he said unto them, go forth and be frutiful...' etc |
Actually that sounds pretty sick to me. Posters on the walls encouraging children to have sex (be fruitful) ? No thanks. |
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