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BadPegge
Joined: 07 Sep 2006
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Posted: Sat Nov 04, 2006 10:00 pm Post subject: |
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Koreans are scum - that's the bottom line. Hopefully North Korea will go apeshit soon and wipe this annoying little ethnic group off the face of the planet. |
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flotsam
Joined: 28 Mar 2006
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Posted: Sat Nov 04, 2006 10:01 pm Post subject: |
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I know where Gwangju is. Been there several times. |
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Yu_Bum_suk

Joined: 25 Dec 2004
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Posted: Sat Nov 04, 2006 10:18 pm Post subject: |
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It's racist and it's wrong, but if you were a Korean bar owner and you had whites routinely come in already hammered, about a 4-1 guy-girl ratio, never order anju and only buy the cheapest draught beer, start fights with each other and act like loud, obnoxious pricks, wouldn't you want to do something like this if you could get away with it? |
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CabbageTownRoyals
Joined: 14 Sep 2006
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Posted: Sat Nov 04, 2006 10:25 pm Post subject: |
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flotsam wrote: |
CabbageTownRoyals wrote: |
There is a bar in HongDae, some 80's style music place, but I don't know the name. Anyway, I went in there, alone and SOBER, just checking it out while I was waiting for my friends.
A korean bar girl came right up to me, said, "no foreigners here"
I was so shocked. I asked to see the manager, who was also female. She could see that I was put-out and after much Konglish and poor explaining, she tried to take me to a table.
I quickly told her it was blatant racism and there was no excuse since I was respectable, sober and a single female!!! I absolutely didn't want to drink there after that, and I told her that I would be sure to give the place an honest and negative write up in the local paper. (never did, but am temped to).
It was just very very rude. |
Again, blame the average waygook turkey, not them. When you seemed reasonable, they wanted to let you in. You chose not to. Your loss. |
So I didn't 'seem reasonable' when I walked in quietly, sober and gave a short nod/bow to say hello (with a smile, -->I always smile).
No. Its racism. Pure and simple. |
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RACETRAITOR
Joined: 24 Oct 2005 Location: Seoul, South Korea
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Posted: Sat Nov 04, 2006 10:27 pm Post subject: |
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There are bars in Canada, and I assume the US, where non-whites are restricted from entering. You just never noticed because you're all white. |
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venus
Joined: 25 Oct 2006 Location: Near Seoul
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Posted: Sat Nov 04, 2006 10:28 pm Post subject: |
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Yeah Son Deureo! is saying exactly what I thought about when reading the OP -- the just didn't want your stupid drunk monkey ass up in there annoying the hell out of everyone.
I personally don't have a problem with places that have no foreigner policies. It's called free market capitalism. It's an ideal I was raised to espouse. Sissies who want to run to the government crying for vengeance because a club won't let them in are commies and should be forced to move to the Shitipinos.
Club doesn't want me? I don't want it! It's that simple. And yes it happened once, in Daejeon, when I was wandering around alone and dressed like a scrub. Couldn't imagine why they turned me down!
I remember a time or two in the US, trying to score a bag off some black dudes in the ghetto and got rejected a few times for being white. Why, I tell you, I ran straight to the police to report the racial discrimination!
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Man I can't believe I even bothered to replying to you in the Kore sucks thread. If I had only read this first and realsied how immature and arrogant you were, I would have saved the wear on my fingertips.
So you have nothing better to do with your time than being rude and arguing with people on the interent, when they are mostly trying to stimulte a sensible debate and you just want to project your personality. That how your folks raised you? Donlt you find it boring and pointless...? Do you know people that will socialise with you outside of where ever it is you have your computer...? |
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CabbageTownRoyals
Joined: 14 Sep 2006
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Posted: Sat Nov 04, 2006 10:29 pm Post subject: |
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Yu_Bum_suk wrote: |
It's racist and it's wrong, but if you were a Korean bar owner and you had whites routinely come in already hammered, about a 4-1 guy-girl ratio, never order anju and only buy the cheapest draught beer, start fights with each other and act like loud, obnoxious pricks, wouldn't you want to do something like this if you could get away with it? |
Spose.
Ah well. I'll just take my grace and money elsewhere..... |
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krisinkorea
Joined: 16 Mar 2006 Location: Not too far from Seoul
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Posted: Sat Nov 04, 2006 10:32 pm Post subject: racism |
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Actually, just to clear the air here. I wasn't being belligerent when arrived or was denied entrance. After asking for an explanation....why, why? We can pay to no avail and no explanation and getting in the taxi.
Clearly, it is a widespread policy among Koreans from the posts on the board. Did I need to call dude an arshole...no probably not but, heh what do I care. Just another of the millions of things that are bizarre about this country. Still not first world. I don't have to like it and who said I had to be nice anyhow. And in the end, it's really Korea's problem, not mine. |
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Qinella
Joined: 25 Feb 2005 Location: the crib
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Posted: Sat Nov 04, 2006 10:32 pm Post subject: |
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venus wrote: |
Yeah Son Deureo! is saying exactly what I thought about when reading the OP -- the just didn't want your stupid drunk monkey ass up in there annoying the hell out of everyone.
I personally don't have a problem with places that have no foreigner policies. It's called free market capitalism. It's an ideal I was raised to espouse. Sissies who want to run to the government crying for vengeance because a club won't let them in are commies and should be forced to move to the *beep*.
Club doesn't want me? I don't want it! It's that simple. And yes it happened once, in Daejeon, when I was wandering around alone and dressed like a scrub. Couldn't imagine why they turned me down!
I remember a time or two in the US, trying to score a bag off some black dudes in the ghetto and got rejected a few times for being white. Why, I tell you, I ran straight to the police to report the racial discrimination!
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Man I can't believe I even bothered to replying to you in the Kore sucks thread. If I had only read this first and realsied how immature and arrogant you were, I would have saved the wear on my fingertips.
So you have nothing better to do with your time than being rude and arguing with people on the interent, when they are mostly trying to stimulte a sensible debate and you just want to project your personality. That how your folks raised you? Donlt you find it boring and pointless...? Do you know people that will socialise with you outside of where ever it is you have your computer...? |
That didn't make any sense to me..
I noticed you said I was immature because I think it's a business's right to discriminate based on race. I noticed you took time to type out a reply to me explaining that it's a waste of time for you to reply to me. Couldn't figure out what else you were on about, though.
Btw, your spelling is atrocious. I mean, severely bad. |
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JongnoGuru

Joined: 25 May 2004 Location: peeing on your doorstep
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Posted: Sat Nov 04, 2006 10:33 pm Post subject: |
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Venus, who is "you"? The poster before your post? A different poster? Everyone on this thread?
EDIT: I guess you meant Qin. 
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Son Deureo!
Joined: 30 Apr 2003
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Posted: Sat Nov 04, 2006 11:25 pm Post subject: |
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flotsam wrote: |
CabbageTownRoyals wrote: |
So I didn't 'seem reasonable' when I walked in quietly, sober and gave a short nod/bow to say hello (with a smile, -->I always smile).
No. Its racism. Pure and simple. |
BLAME THE AVERAGE WAYGOOK ON THE STREET. |
Sorry, I'm not buying this. It's still prejudice and they deserve to be called on it, even if it has been confirmed by some examples.
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Beginning to sound like you didn't deserve the table anyway. Your reaction to them, and this topic suggests you are just the demographic they were trying to sieve. |
I don't get this either, she walked in, sat down, and when they told her "no foreigners" she complained to the management and then decided to take her patronage elsewhere. Seems like a sensible and levelheaded response to the situation to me.
And since it (inevitably) came up, just what do you think of bars back home keeping (for example) blacks out? Is that acceptable because there have been incidents in the past of black people causing incidents in bars? Or is it racism?
Make no mistake, when I said that "no foreigners allowed" can be shorthand for "no YOU allowed", I was by no means defending the policy. I was simply pointing out that it may not always be what it seems on the surface. It still smacks of racism and gives a horrible impression to foreigners about Korea. |
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vox

Joined: 13 Feb 2005 Location: Jeollabukdo
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Posted: Sun Nov 05, 2006 12:51 am Post subject: |
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I'd have to agree with most of the posters... in my experience, it's just a safety measure to weed out belligerents and undesirables. In most cases, if you just talk to them a bit or mention that you plan to buy drinks and food (a big contention about foreigners neglecting by the way) you're okay and you can walk in.
But yeah you do meet the occasional spicy-gouchoed ( ) 항문 bouncer or manager. But there are so many other good places to visit, you shouldn't let it ruin your evening.
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Adventurer

Joined: 28 Jan 2006
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Posted: Sun Nov 05, 2006 12:53 am Post subject: |
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[quote="flotsam"][quote="CabbageTownRoyals"]There is a bar in HongDae, some 80's style music place, but I don't know the name. Anyway, I went in there, alone and SOBER, just checking it out while I was waiting for my friends.
A korean bar girl came right up to me, said, "no foreigners here"
I was so shocked. I asked to see the manager, who was also female. She could see that I was put-out and after much Konglish and poor explaining, she tried to take me to a table.
I quickly told her it was blatant racism and there was no excuse since I was respectable, sober and a single female!!! I absolutely didn't want to drink there after that, and I told her that I would be sure to give the place an honest and negative write up in the local paper. (never did, but am temped to).
Flotsam, using your logic, then it is okay for French Canadians in Quebec to refuse entry to those of African descent. This happened recently. Could one say because someone with African ancestry may cause trouble because in some cases it has happened, that it should be okay to ban someone of that complexion? No, that would be viewed as racism because there are also Caucasians who do the same. Most of the foreigners I know are quite civil. You may have your occasional unruly American soldier, soccer type hooligan who got a teaching position etc... However, this does not apply to the vast majority of foreigners. I am sure many people have seen plenty of Koreans go ballistic after imbibing soju. Your justifying of this behaviour is like justifying Caucasians not admitting Asians or African Americans for whatever reason they want to conjure up. |
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Adventurer

Joined: 28 Jan 2006
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Posted: Sun Nov 05, 2006 1:10 am Post subject: |
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charlieDD wrote: |
In the late 80's there was a big issue between Japan and other countries when saunas began putting up "No Foreigner" signs. Japan made it illegal thereafter, I understand, to do this. The owners of nice saunas just got better at keeping foreigners out by requiring membership, which was damn near impossible for a foreigner to get (like, you have to have a Japanese name to be a member; or, something like that). The signs are supposedly gone, but the xenophobic restrictions remain.
It doesn't bother me that much when I see those signs in Hongdae area. I can almost understand.
What does bother is a kind of backhanded approach some restaurant owners employ: When foreigners eat there, they give them small portions, bad service, etc. . . so they won't come again. I know a Korean guy whose mother does it at her galbi / shabu shabu place. He says that its a fact as far is his mother is concerned that if a group of foreigners come in, Koreans walking by are less likely to decide to come in when there are other similar restaurants nearby without foreigners in it. He tries to tell me "It's just business. My mother loves the foreign teachers and the foreigners who come to her church." I just roll my eyes somehwere in my mind where he can't see.
In Thailand, there are complete streets designated as "Japanese Only" club areas, and miscellaneous restaurants and other places around Thailand that cater only to Japanese tourists and will let you know this if you try to enter or use their service. |
There is a huge difference between North America and Asia. In North America, there is a huge emphasis on multi-culturalism sometimes in a way that detracts from properly teaching even the English language at an advanced level to the student bodies out there. We are on the other end. I think it is good that it is illegal to bar people from places in North America. In that sense, we have something Koreans could learn.
As far as being short-changed at restaurants. I have been treated with kindness by Koreans and they were happy to receive me in their restaurant. We are generally quiet, just looking to get some food.
I never felt I was given less food. I often could not finish my food.
So bless those who were kind and served us well, I say. |
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Junior

Joined: 18 Nov 2005 Location: the eye
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Posted: Sun Nov 05, 2006 1:46 am Post subject: |
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charlieDD wrote: |
What does bother is a kind of backhanded approach some restaurant owners employ: When foreigners eat there, they give them small portions, bad service, etc. . . so they won't come again. |
yeah i've noticed that once or twice...really pathetic
There is a nite club a few doors from the goose bar in Bupyeong that won't allow in foreigners. 1 night I lambasted the doorman as a racist etc etc. Apparently "We have bars in Korea for foreigners too" gets Koreans off the racist charge. |
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