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How good is your Korean?
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Rate your Korean
What Korean?
3%
 3%  [ 1 ]
Survival Korean
37%
 37%  [ 12 ]
Able to string sentences together
28%
 28%  [ 9 ]
Simple conversation, grammar optional
15%
 15%  [ 5 ]
Confident response in Korean in most situations ("Fluent")
9%
 9%  [ 3 ]
On the phone Koreans think my name is 'Kim'
6%
 6%  [ 2 ]
Total Votes : 32

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matthewwoodford



Joined: 01 Oct 2003
Location: Location, location, location.

PostPosted: Thu Oct 23, 2003 4:01 pm    Post subject: How good is your Korean? Reply with quote

Just wondering how good people out there are. Anyone fluent? If so I envy you. I've seen a lot of posts from people saying they speak Korean and I wonder what they mean by that. I'd hesitate to say I speak any language unless I'm at least fluent enough to maintain a polysyllabic conversation with a native speaker.

Also how hard do people find learning Korean? I find it very hard. My first year it all went way over my head, it just did not compute, took me about 2 months to memorise 'hwajangsil', although I got numbers right away from buying things. My second year I learned a lot of useful phrases - beginner survival Korean. My third year I actually studied for a couple of months and - lo and behold - my Korean improved and now I'd say I'm high beginner verging on intermediate.

Also, any tips to learning it from anyone?

I know the fluency options I chose are far from perfect.....
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endofthewor1d



Joined: 01 Apr 2003
Location: the end of the wor1d.

PostPosted: Thu Oct 23, 2003 4:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

reading and writing is not a problem. simple conversations about whether or not i like certain animals are getting better. menus are my area of expertise.

and yet i was one of the more accomplished in my circle of friends. if i can ever land a job in seoul with a block shift, i have every intention of taking a class. that's the only way i'm ever going to learn it. i don't have the discipline or attention span to learn it by myself with a book, though one i can recommend (if you can read hangul) is 'easy korean for foriegners' (yeah, it's really called that.) the pictures are cool, the conversations aren't lame like some of the other books i've tried. some of the conversations are actually kind of funny. there's one excercise where you have to write sentences next to a series of pictures about a guy going on a soju bender after his girlfriend leaves him.
the alphabet was easy enough for me to learn on my own, but i wonder if i would have had the discipline and attention span to accomplish even that modest task had it not been my first week in korea, when i didn't know anybody, and hadn't quite mustered up the courage to fully explore my surroundings just yet.
and the korean girlfriend method of language learning helped for a little while. she enthusiastically tried to teach me korean. but as she was a korean girl, and had to be home at midnight *sigh* there weren't many times that we were alone at my place during which i was willing to waste precious boinking time in the pursuit of learning a language.

for me, it's taking a class. no distractions. no boinking. only korean.
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Paji eh Wong



Joined: 03 Jun 2003

PostPosted: Thu Oct 23, 2003 5:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Na nin paji eh wong.

That is the extent of my Korean.
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komtengi



Joined: 30 Sep 2003
Location: Slummin it up in Haebangchon

PostPosted: Thu Oct 23, 2003 5:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I studied for three years, and have a major in Korean. I'd say my Korean is fleunt, most koreans don't believe me when I talk to them for the first time on the phone......The only probelms I have are writing long papers, or reading them in korean......thats cause Im lazy. Cant read much hanja, and I cant get into heavy conversations about things like politics. My listening skills and spoken korean are at a very advanced level.
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Howard Roark



Joined: 02 Feb 2003
Location: Canada

PostPosted: Thu Oct 23, 2003 6:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have been studying Turkish for 2.5 years. It's so easy to learn, and remember. If I were living in Turkey I'd be much more advanced but I don't get much practice here.
Anyway, I'm kind of studying Korean recently. I've always had survival Korean but now I have a lot of free time at work so I started studying.
I'm finding it so so hard to learn.
I knew more Turkish in a month of being in Turkey than I knew Korean after my first year here! The sounds, the words, it's so random and meaningless to me.
Of course it be would though - it's a foreign language. But why is Turkish so easy for me?
Oddly, Korean and Turkish belong to the same language family, have similar sounds, and have the same basic structure. Yet, I find Turkish fairly easy and Korean makes no sense to me!
I am learning though, just slowly.


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Seoultrader



Joined: 18 Jun 2003
Location: Ali's Insurgent Inn, Fallujah

PostPosted: Thu Oct 23, 2003 6:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I speak it with a Korean accent but lack the higher-level vocabulary to hold educated conversations (educated in international schools and stateside) about specific subject matter, be it politics, science, history, etc.

In a way, it has its advantages because in tense business situations I come across as "the average Joe" which often times puts my Korean counterparts at ease.

What really impresses me are the many DDD workers who learned to speak amazing Korean in a short period of time without any formal lessons.
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Zyzyfer



Joined: 29 Jan 2003
Location: who, what, where, when, why, how?

PostPosted: Thu Oct 23, 2003 7:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Um, I'm beyond survival Korean, but I can't quite string sentences together yet. If I sat down for a week and hardcore focused on just this aspect, I'd probably be good to go, though.
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sid



Joined: 02 Feb 2003
Location: Berkshire, England

PostPosted: Thu Oct 23, 2003 9:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

When I left Korea after 18 months there I was pretty confident with survival/small talk Korean... I could chat about fairly 'light' topics for a few minutes and read fast enough to sing mid-tempo songs in the noraebang.

Now I'm back and taking a class for the first time (intermediate). Learning grammar at breakneck speed and I'm suddenly aware of how much I don't know, my listening and reading comprehension is also starting to go well beyond what I can actually say. I feel like a Korean studying English! Hopefully there will be time to properly absorb everything I've studied and bring it into my conversational repertoire.
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wormholes101



Joined: 11 Mar 2003

PostPosted: Thu Oct 23, 2003 10:46 pm    Post subject: Re: How good is your Korean? Reply with quote

matthewwoodford wrote:
I know the fluency options I chose are far from perfect.....


Option: Simple conversation, grammar optional
Option: Confident response in Korean in most situations ("Fluent")

Far from perfect is a bit of an understatement!! How you can have a simple converstation without any grammar Confused

Me: (points at self) �������� ���...
Korean: ��!! �������� ��� ���ƿ�!
Me: Eh? ����.
Korean: �������� good!!
Me: ��!!... Good... ���ƿ�!
Korean: �� ���̿���?
Me: Eh?
Korean: ���?! ���?! ���̰�.......
Me: ��! bla bla bla....

Next step: Fluency!!
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HardyandTiny



Joined: 03 Jun 2003

PostPosted: Fri Oct 24, 2003 12:14 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Considering I have lived in Korea for a total of 7.5 years on three separate occasions I would have to say my Korean language skills are about as bad as it gets.
I have no excuse, I just don't care.
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Gwangjuboy



Joined: 08 Jul 2003
Location: England

PostPosted: Fri Oct 24, 2003 12:32 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have been here for about a year and a half. Compared to Westerners in Gwangju who have been here for the same amount of time my Korean is very good. I know many verbs, and I am able to string basic sentences together. I am also able to hold a converstaion at a basic level, e.g salary, hometown. favorite food, animal, places, reasons for being here etc.

My Korean girlfriend teaches me at least once a week. What I find really difficult is a) structure and, b) they use verbs that we don't have.
For example, sit da - wash, gam da - wash hair. You couldn't ask a Korean, oneul molri sit seo soe yo? (have you washed your hair today?) You would have to replace the sit da verb with gam da. e.g. oneul molri gam as eo yo? There are many other examples. (sorry for the bad romanisation.)
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gang ah jee



Joined: 14 Jan 2003
Location: city of paper

PostPosted: Fri Oct 24, 2003 1:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

he cooks, he cleans, always washes his hands after using the bathroom, and never says a bad word about anyone. he's good enough, i guess.


harr harr.
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crazylemongirl



Joined: 23 Mar 2003
Location: almost there...

PostPosted: Fri Oct 24, 2003 2:50 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I would study korean if I could so I can't so I won't.

So survial korean it is for me.

CLG
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Ryst Helmut



Joined: 26 Apr 2003
Location: In search of the elusive signature...

PostPosted: Fri Oct 24, 2003 6:53 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

endofthewor1d wrote:
if i can ever land a job in seoul with a block shift, i have every intention of taking a class.


As a current student (20 hours a week of classroom instruction) in a Korean language facility, I can tell you that IDEALLY you should NOT work. I go to class for 4 hours, then have about 3-4 hours of homework daily. Umm, your brain is pretty much fried, so teaching is somewhat out of the question.

Also, since you've time in Korea, they probably won't put you in a beginners' course. This can be a big problem. For me, I was placed in an advanced class, where I can run circles around my classmates discussing Korean culture, and stuff in general. However, the other half...man am I dragging!

You'll most likely be in a class of (at least) 80% Japanese, so they've already got a 'headstart' on you (you know, like if you and the Japanese were to study Spanish...you'd be on the up).

Another problem with work. Even if you comprehend all that is taught, you've got to be able to digest what you've learned and utilise it, otherwise, you're bound to forget (my mistake) and spend the latter half of the semester catching up. If you don't advance, you're stuck studying the same material, and that gets old RIGHT FAST.

So, for now, study bits and pieces....with PROPER grammar, as it'll bite you in the arse later...when you can attend a course full time and with only LIMITED private tutoring (to pay for expenses), then go for it.


Shoosh,

Ryst
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matthewwoodford



Joined: 01 Oct 2003
Location: Location, location, location.

PostPosted: Fri Oct 24, 2003 4:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Seoultrader wrote:
What really impresses me are the many DDD workers who learned to speak amazing Korean in a short period of time without any formal lessons.


Just goes to show what you can do when it's survival...

Occasionally I fantasize about recreating a life or death situation in the classroom by pointing a gun at the head of some of my students but, even in my fantasies, they *still* just don't get it and end up brains splattered all over the floor...Do I have issues...? Wink

The humbling experience of studying Korean increases my respect for Koreans who become fluent.

Matt
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