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How many Seoul residents speak English?
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Real Reality



Joined: 10 Jan 2003
Location: Seoul

PostPosted: Sun Dec 21, 2003 7:21 am    Post subject: How many Seoul residents speak English? Reply with quote

Three out of four Seoul residents can't speak English, according to a survey by Seoul Metropolitan City.

The survey of 1,000 people over 20 years old found that 74.2 percent find it hard to communicate in English or can hardly speak the language. Only 1.5 percent of the respondents said they are good at communicating in English.

http://times.hankooki.com/lpage/nation/200312/kt2003122118195611990.htm
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Howard Roark



Joined: 02 Feb 2003
Location: Canada

PostPosted: Sun Dec 21, 2003 5:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

That doesn't surprise me in the least. In fact I would have thought the number who could speak English would be even lower. I mean, 74% can't speak English. Is anyone truly shocked by that?

And that's for Seoul. It's a pretty safe bet that percentage is even greater for other parts of the country.

I work at a company so I live in my own little English world here, as most employees can speak English fairly well. But last year when I was teaching kids I rarely met Koreans who could speak English well, or at all most of the time.
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sakamuras



Joined: 21 Jun 2003

PostPosted: Sun Dec 21, 2003 5:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well, the fact that most people in Korea really don't need to use English on a daily basis, why does this surprise you? Speaking English isn't a means to survival in Korea (yet, at least). Korean is still their official language, and I think they're doing just fine with that.
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jaebea



Joined: 21 Sep 2003
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 21, 2003 5:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm with sakamuras. Considering the level of homogeneity (there's that 'h' word again), it doesn't surprise me at all. I would have guessed it to be lower.

Since they were asked to grade themselves in their ability (from what I could read), I think there's a fair bit of margin we could play with.

jae.
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dogbert



Joined: 29 Jan 2003
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 21, 2003 5:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I agree with sakamuras also. Plus, if as jaebea says, the Koreans evaluated themselves, I'd bet that the tendency was toward under-estimating their own ability.
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just because



Joined: 01 Aug 2003
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 22, 2003 1:30 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Heres a question RR,
How many long term English residents can speak fluent Korean. When you live in the culture it is much easier topick up. How much have you learned RR???
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jajdude



Joined: 18 Jan 2003

PostPosted: Mon Dec 22, 2003 1:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

75% sounds extremely generous to me. I'd say over 95% is more accurate.
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Gwangjuboy



Joined: 08 Jul 2003
Location: England

PostPosted: Mon Dec 22, 2003 1:44 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

sakamuras wrote:
Well, the fact that most people in Korea really don't need to use English on a daily basis, why does this surprise you? Speaking English isn't a means to survival in Korea (yet, at least). Korean is still their official language, and I think they're doing just fine with that.


Do you know how much weighting is given to English in university admissions?
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Gwangjuboy



Joined: 08 Jul 2003
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 22, 2003 1:52 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

just because wrote:
Heres a question RR,
How many long term English residents can speak fluent Korean. When you live in the culture it is much easier topick up. How much have you learned RR???



So what is your criteria? Are you expecting people who have worked here for less than a year to be fluent? How long do you think it should take for someone to be fluent in Korean? I must concede I am not happy with my Korean. I have been here for nearly two years, but I am not yet fluent. However, I would like to think that my Korean is better than most other Westerners who have been here for the same amount of time. I do make an effort because I think Koreans really appreciate it when a Westerner at least tries to converse. (Especially taxi drivers!) Very good point though, start a new thread about it Very Happy
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Corporal



Joined: 25 Jan 2003

PostPosted: Mon Dec 22, 2003 1:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Moreover, I speak better Korean than my husband speaks English, which he started studying in high school, and I've only had the last two years to learn Korean.

Mind you, I get the definite impression he was kind of a lazy student.
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HardyandTiny



Joined: 03 Jun 2003

PostPosted: Mon Dec 22, 2003 2:24 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I had two years of Spanish in high school and all I can remmeber is about 10% of it.
Seems pretty good that 25% of Seoulites can speak English.
How long have Korean people been studying English intensely?
I'm sure that percentage will increase to 50% in the next 20 years.
Lots of money for you teachers.

Corproral: What method did you use to learn Korean?
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jajdude



Joined: 18 Jan 2003

PostPosted: Mon Dec 22, 2003 7:39 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

[quote="HardyandTiny"]
Seems pretty good that 25% of Seoulites can speak English.


25%? No way!!! Even 5% is generous! Lived in Korea a few years? Less than 5% of Seoulites can communicate beyond quite basic English. And outside Seoul, gotta be less than 2%.... I am sure of this.
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Real Reality



Joined: 10 Jan 2003
Location: Seoul

PostPosted: Mon Dec 22, 2003 11:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Only 1.5 percent of the respondents said they are good at communicating in English.
http://times.hankooki.com/lpage/nation/200312/kt2003122118195611990.htm
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hellofaniceguy



Joined: 10 Jan 2003
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 22, 2003 11:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

If the majority of koreans can't speak English, that's their problem. It's their country. But.....
If koreans want the world to accept them, invest, visit, bring big business to korea, then they need to speak English. It is the universal language it seems. Majority wins. And yet, koreans study English three years in middle school and three years in high school plus YEARS and YEARS of hokwons, in college and still the majority can't hold a conversation in English! The non koreans I have met in korea, ie: those fron Iran, African countries, European countries, China, Japan, India, etc. all I have met have a good command of English!
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jajdude



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PostPosted: Wed Dec 24, 2003 2:19 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I thought the headline "75% of Seoulites lack speaking ability" was misleading. If it were only 75% none of us would have jobs! Perhaps it is fortunate for us that is really is 95% or more. More jobs.
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