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Newbie

Joined: 07 Feb 2003
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Posted: Sun Jan 18, 2004 12:31 am Post subject: Korean culture ... please help |
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First of all, let me just say that I do not mean this message to disrespect anyone and I am not trying to slag Korea, I completely love living in Korea ... but ...
I just finished my first year and I'm coming back for another. Korea has been a blast ... a complete party.... I love drinking to 8 in the morning ... I love Korean women hitting on me like there is no tomorrow ... but (and I am sure that I am wrong) is not this country complete bullocks?!? Honestly, I would love if y'all prove me otherwise, but as far as I've been able to tell, this country is so weak. Nothing rare that makes this country unique. As far as I've been able to tell this place has done its best to grab the best of the US, Japan, and China, and tried to make its own place.
First, lets speak on the fact that they owe their very existence to the US and the UN, yet there are so many here that completely hate the US (@#$%, doesn't anyone in this country study history??)
Second, they seem so completetly insecure ... come one, grow some balls and stand up for something!!!
Third ... stop the physical abuse of women in public (yes,yes, in private too)
Two years ago I was looking into going to Japan to teach Englishh because I was fascinated with Japan ... their history, their honour, their whole unique culture ... for economic reasons I decided to go to Korea instead ... I don't regret this, but it seems to me that Korea has about 1/82 of the culture that Japan has to offer. No honour, no pride, nothing about them seems unique at all!
Honeslty, I would love for some of you 5year+ guys to come and prove me wrong ... and as such, where can I actually learn more about the more honorific side of Korean culture. Please help me |
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tokki

Joined: 26 Jul 2003
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Posted: Sun Jan 18, 2004 12:52 am Post subject: |
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Maybe Im just way off base here, but it seems to me that if you did less drinking till 8 in the morning and less wh*ring then perhaps you would have been able to learn more about Korea and the culture. Are you one of those foreigners who cant say more than hello, bye, thanks and pass the soju in Korean despite having spent a year here? |
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Newbie

Joined: 07 Feb 2003
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Posted: Sun Jan 18, 2004 1:06 am Post subject: |
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DUDE!!! First off: I hate the goddam whinners that spend time in Korea, have nothing good to say about it and yet stick around.
Second, I know more Korean than you gave me credit for ... I can have a decent conversation ... well, decent in my mind, but I'm sure the Koreans find it funny.
Third, yes, I spent too many nights drinking till 8 in the morning.
Fourth, I like your arogance and sarcasm, can you please actually try to answer my question about where I can go to find some decent insights into Korean culture... thanks. |
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ryleeys

Joined: 22 Dec 2003 Location: Columbia, MD
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Posted: Sun Jan 18, 2004 1:10 am Post subject: |
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Buy a book on a wide variety of topics,
Visit some temples,
Visit a museum,
Ask a Korean friend to show you cool stuff,
Get on a random bus and see where it takes you.
Sound fair? |
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Newbie

Joined: 07 Feb 2003
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Posted: Sun Jan 18, 2004 1:15 am Post subject: |
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Buying a book sounds good. But I might have too many books as it stands.
Visiting temples was fun about the first or second time, then it got a bit reduntant (sp?)
The museums were alright, but nothing mind blowing.
Still gotta try the Korean friend thing.
Random bus sounds fun ... but not so sure how that will help me learn more about their culture. I'll give it a try though.
Thanks for the advice |
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ryleeys

Joined: 22 Dec 2003 Location: Columbia, MD
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Posted: Sun Jan 18, 2004 1:42 am Post subject: |
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My guess is that if you have read books, visited temples, and been to museums, you're either doing the wrong ones, or your opinions about Korea aren't going to change.
Just try and look a little deeper... not everything that Korea has is borrowed from elsewhere. I'd say they borrow the same percentage as other countries including China and the US... there's quite a bit of native development in Korea. |
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kiwiboy_nz_99

Joined: 05 Jul 2003 Location: ...Enlightenment...
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Posted: Sun Jan 18, 2004 2:05 am Post subject: |
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Borrowed culture is not really an issue, you could say nothing white america has done was unique to america because they are all immigrants from Europe, but that's kind of meaningless as they have been there a long time and developed a culture of their own.
For example, Buddhism originated in India, but has been here a long time and probably there is a higher per capita rate of buddhism here than in India now, as India has the massive popularity of Hinduism to complete with Buddhism. Korean Buddhism has developed a uniquely Korean flavour sinse coming here thousands of years ago.
Have you looked into Pansori and other tradition music and dance forms?
Have you been to Insa Dong and checked out the art?
But my biggest recommendation for getting more of a cultural experience is to learn the language. |
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Mr. Pink

Joined: 21 Oct 2003 Location: China
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Posted: Sun Jan 18, 2004 2:17 am Post subject: Re: Korean culture ... please help |
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I just finished my first year and I'm coming back for another. Korea has been a blast ... a complete party.... I love drinking to 8 in the morning ... I love Korean women hitting on me like there is no tomorrow ... but (and I am sure that I am wrong) is not this country complete bullocks?!? Honestly, I would love if y'all prove me otherwise, but as far as I've been able to tell, this country is so weak. Nothing rare that makes this country unique. As far as I've been able to tell this place has done its best to grab the best of the US, Japan, and China, and tried to make its own place.
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Guess it is education time. What did they try to grab? Do you mean they tried to globalize themselves and modernized? I don't know if you are aware of Korean history, but I'd say they have done an amazing job in the little time they have had.
To give you a hint about Japan, they started to modernize and globalize around the late 1800s. They colonized Korea and and went to war with America in the 1940s. They were totally screwed when they surrendered and WITHOUT the help of AMERICA Japan would have been nothing.
Japan had most of the infestructure in place after the war, so it was easier to build up their economy. They used to be A LOT like Koreans are now. They used to SPIT in the streets and were RUDE to foreigners.
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First, lets speak on the fact that they owe their very existence to the US and the UN, yet there are so many here that completely hate the US (@#$%, doesn't anyone in this country study history??) |
Try Europe buddy. If it wasn't for the Marshall Plan and AMERICA, Europe would have taken decades to get back on it's feet. I don't see a lot of people LOVING America over there either.
I'd say a LOT of countires owe their existence to America and there will always be SOME who hate America because of this fact.
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Second, they seem so completetly insecure ... come one, grow some balls and stand up for something!!! |
I wonder how secure you would be if throughout your history you were constantly invaded by foreign powers...
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Third ... stop the physical abuse of women in public (yes,yes, in private too) |
it happens EVERY WHERE in the world. Just cause Americans don't do it in public doesn't mean it isn't happening. This is something I think too many foreigners go into about Korea. Check stats, it happens everywhere.
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Two years ago I was looking into going to Japan to teach Englishh because I was fascinated with Japan ... their history, their honour, their whole unique culture ... for economic reasons I decided to go to Korea instead ... I don't regret this, but it seems to me that Korea has about 1/82 of the culture that Japan has to offer. No honour, no pride, nothing about them seems unique at all!
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Do some research. Korean people have more history than Japanese. In fact the Korean people as a race are older than the Japanese. Some say a lot of Japanese are decendents of Koreans. Koreans have a unique culture, just you won't see it everyday when you are in Seoul whoring and drinking it up. Travel throughout the country and you can see tons of it. If you think Korean's have no pride, I think you didnt get much out of your first year here. Seriously, if there is something they have TOO MUCH of, it is pride.
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Honeslty, I would love for some of you 5year+ guys to come and prove me wrong ... and as such, where can I actually learn more about the more honorific side of Korean culture. Please help me |
That would be me. It doesn't take someone who has been here 5+yrs. It takes someone who travels around and gets to know about Korea. Study a bit of their history. Study Chinese or Japanese history. It isn't all roses like you think over there in Japan. Watch TV, read things. I ain't much of a Korea lover, but I am not a hater either. I think it is an alright place to live, and that everywhere has good and bad points.
If you think they have no honor, check out the customs around this time of year. They HONOR family very very seriously. In fact it all comes down to family in this country.
If you think about it, China and Japan have had their cultures exported and marketed a lot better than Korea. Korea is the smallest of the three countries. Korea has been Chinese and Japanese land at some point in their history, YET they still retain their own language and customs - some of said customs have been influeced by Japan and China.
Canada vs. USA. or NZ vs. Australia would be the same type of argument as Korea vs. Japan or Korea vs. China when it comes to your complaints.
Hope your eyes have been opened. |
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ryleeys

Joined: 22 Dec 2003 Location: Columbia, MD
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Posted: Sun Jan 18, 2004 2:27 am Post subject: |
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A few points:
Korea does owe some of its existance to the US and UN, but I should also point out that Korea is a divided country because of the US and USSR.
History lesson of the day:
Koreans are considered Tangusic people... in the times before "civilization" and such, the Han people were migrating from the Yangtze and Yellow Rivers to the south (Chinese mostly, but some Southeast Asians are Han)... meanwhile, you saw a horde of Tangusic people that streamed out of Manchuria and down across the Korean penninsula and eventually into Japan, displacing the native Ainu.
Additionally, the Japanese owe a fair amount of their knowledge of Buddhism to Korea as well as China. During the introduction of Buddhism during the 7th century, specifically at the Hyuru-ji (Spelling?) temple in 623, the Japanese only knew that one buddha existed. Then, they began studying that Koreans didn't die of small pox and the Japanese did... well, the Koreans prayed to the healing buddha. So the Japanese built the Kyuru-ji temple and began making "mandaras" that would show all the possible buddhas that did and could exist. I also believe that the idea of a fukukenjaku buddha (the one with a thousand arms that show all the different aspects of buddha) came from Korea to Japan.
This of course isn't to say that Japan is based on Korean culture, it isn't.
All of the nations of East Asia have shown a tremendous ability to interact and share ideas while maintaing very distinct and different (and extremely vibrant) cultures.
Finally, yes, Koreans are rude to strangers and spit and it is a serious "fault" (by western standards) of Korean culture. But have you ever met a people that are nicer to their friends? Only 10 weeks into my contract and I've practically been adopted by two families. Plus the two restaurants that a frequent on a regular basis, the owners are unbelievably polite to me.
Look deeper son, look deeper. |
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kiwiboy_nz_99

Joined: 05 Jul 2003 Location: ...Enlightenment...
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Posted: Sun Jan 18, 2004 2:49 am Post subject: |
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it happens EVERY WHERE in the world. Just cause Americans don't do it in public doesn't mean it isn't happening. This is something I think too many foreigners go into about Korea. Check stats, it happens everywhere.
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Actually, while doing some research for another thread I was in, concerned with domestic abuse, I came across a website that had some stats on this subject. It states that an average of 25% of women in the world will experience some form of domestic or sexual abuse in their lives, while in Korea the figure is 37%. I don't have the website address now, but my post is still around somewhere with a link, and the website is a British government stats site and very reputable. So I think it's fair to say there is more domestic/sexual abuse here than normal. That's also not hard to corroborate anecdotally when you look around at what happens and how it's tolerated and often swept under the carpet, even by police. |
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Mr. Pink

Joined: 21 Oct 2003 Location: China
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Posted: Sun Jan 18, 2004 3:27 am Post subject: |
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kiwiboy_nz_99 wrote: |
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it happens EVERY WHERE in the world. Just cause Americans don't do it in public doesn't mean it isn't happening. This is something I think too many foreigners go into about Korea. Check stats, it happens everywhere.
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Actually, while doing some research for another thread I was in, concerned with domestic abuse, I came across a website that had some stats on this subject. It states that an average of 25% of women in the world will experience some form of domestic or sexual abuse in their lives, while in Korea the figure is 37%. I don't have the website address now, but my post is still around somewhere with a link, and the website is a British government stats site and very reputable. So I think it's fair to say there is more domestic/sexual abuse here than normal. That's also not hard to corroborate anecdotally when you look around at what happens and how it's tolerated and often swept under the carpet, even by police. |
A difference of say 10% isn't much cause as we also know both countries have unreported stats which go much higher, then there is verbal abuse and emotional abuse.
It used to be swept under the rug in Canada/USA too. I have said it before, Korea IS catching up with the rest of the world, just don't expect things to change over night. |
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Tiger Beer

Joined: 07 Feb 2003
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Posted: Sun Jan 18, 2004 6:12 am Post subject: Re: Korean culture ... please help |
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it seems to me that Korea has about 1/82 of the culture that Japan has to offer. No honour, no pride, nothing about them seems unique at all! |
Koreans are always telling me how unique they are usually said with a lot of pride.
I think what you really mean to say is Japanese culture appears much more appealing to you compared to Korean culture. Nothing wrong with that statement. Its more appealing to me as well.
However there is still stuff going on here in Korea. Definetely. It just might not be as appealing or as interesting to you. Everything around you you're immersed with 100% full-on Korean culture. |
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tomato

Joined: 31 Jan 2003 Location: I get so little foreign language experience, I must be in Koreatown, Los Angeles.
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Posted: Sun Jan 18, 2004 6:46 am Post subject: |
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Hello, Newbie!
Let me ask you a very general question: what are you interested in?
Here in Korea, there is more than one person can possibly encompass in one lifetime, so we will have to narrow it down.
I'm interested in music, especially children's songs. One of the first things I did was go to the library and start collecting kiddy songs.
When children wander into my classroom between classes, I show them how to play the easiest songs on the xylophone. I have started to learn to play these songs on Korean folk instruments, but I haven't had much time.
Of course, this might not be applicable to you if you aren't interested in children's songs. But if you have any interest which could be pursued in a foreign country, by all means, pursue that interest here. I have a friend who is quite a gourmet cook. If you serve her anything Korean or otherwise, she could tell you not only the main ingredient, but all the ingredients in the sauce. She seems to be happier than most foreigners in Korea.
Rocks and minerals? They have rocks and minerals in Korea!
Trees and flowers? They have trees and flowers in Korea!
Fine arts? They have fine arts in Korea!
Whatever your interest is, look it up in the library, and you will stay constructively occupied for a long time. |
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On the other hand
Joined: 19 Apr 2003 Location: I walk along the avenue
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Posted: Sun Jan 18, 2004 7:45 am Post subject: |
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Are you one of those foreigners who cant say more than hello, bye, thanks and pass the soju in Korean despite having spent a year here? |
Actually, I AM one of those ignorant foreigners, but I'm happier here than a pig in sh*t. And some of the biggest whiners on this board are people who seem to have a considerable Korean vocabulary, so I'm not sure there's any correlation between speaking the language and enjoying your stay.
Nothing against the OP, who I'm sure really does want to appreciate Korea, BUT:
I do find it a little odd when people complain about Korea not living up to THEIR expectations. Hell, the country is what it is, the Koreans themselves seem to like it, you're hopefully getting paid as per your contract, what more can you ask for? Did your recruiter paint an excessivley romanticized picture of the place? Oh well. Everyone should know to take such propaganda with a grain of salt.
Part of the problem, I think, is that many ESL teachers combine business with pleasure, as it were. Basically, teaching English is just a means toward another end, ie. seeing the world. Nothing wrong with that, but I think there is an assumption that any place in Asia which hires ESL teachers is also guaranteed to offer up a fascinating cultural experience. Ain't neccessarily so. |
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toomuchtime

Joined: 11 May 2003 Location: the only country with four distinct seasons
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Posted: Sun Jan 18, 2004 2:34 pm Post subject: |
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kiwiboy_nz_99 wrote: |
Borrowed culture is not really an issue, you could say nothing white america has done was unique to america because they are all immigrants from Europe. |
Beg to differ.
The Banjo- an American original.
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