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"the worst country to raise a child in"?
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Real Reality



Joined: 10 Jan 2003
Location: Seoul

PostPosted: Sun Mar 07, 2004 4:16 pm    Post subject: "the worst country to raise a child in"? Reply with quote

Baby blues hit Korea
Choi Eun-hee's day starts before dawn with a feverish rush to get her 17-month-old son ready to drop off at her parents before she commutes to work in Seoul.

"Korea is probably the worst country to raise a child in," said Choi, 29.

South Korea's birth rate in 2002 plunged to the lowest in the world with women having an average of 1.17 children, according to the National Statistical Office. In Japan the rate is 1.33, the United States 2.13 and Britain 1.64.

The Seoul Metropolitan Government announced in January it would bear all daycare expenses for children until they turn six but then last month abruptly scrapped the plan, citing strong opposition from preschools, which were to be excluded from the benefit. The government also does little to help those who wish to have a baby but unable to conceive, others said. None of the tests and infertility treatments are covered by insurance.
http://www.koreaherald.co.kr/SITE/data/html_dir/2004/03/08/200403080078.asp

Is Korea the worst country to raise a child in?

*thread title edited for accuracy by Lemon: 6:40pm Mar 11*
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jaebea



Joined: 21 Sep 2003
Location: SYD

PostPosted: Sun Mar 07, 2004 4:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Good question. I wouldn't like to raise any children in Korea but I'm only speaking for myself. My experience and view of Australia means that rather than Korea being a bad place to raise children out of its own demerits, Australia is a better place to raise them.

So out of the options available to me, Korea simply doesn't make the cut.

I don't think it's THAT bad.. :)

jae.
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just because



Joined: 01 Aug 2003
Location: Changwon - 4964

PostPosted: Sun Mar 07, 2004 4:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don't fully agree with the Op statement as well.

The problem is that there is so much pressure on the children here to do well in school and all evaluations are test score based and ranked. If you haven't made the rank or cut then for your life you have no chance(or so the saying goes).

I think people in this country or waking up to the fact that the education system here is in a shambles. I can't see much change in the future as it takes strong leadership from the top down to implement proper and effective change in any areas.

No offence to Koreans but the current government(and the opposition) are a joke. I wouldn't vote for neither of them as i have found both to be corrupt, full of self-interest and leadership that is very weak with no direction.
Good luck, Deahan Minguk
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Corporal



Joined: 25 Jan 2003

PostPosted: Sun Mar 07, 2004 6:57 pm    Post subject: Re: "Worst country to raise a child in" Reply with quote

Real Reality wrote:
The government also does little to help those who wish to have a baby but unable to conceive, others said.


And why should they? Lots of babies out there, girls particularly, that aren't wanted. If couples want a baby so badly they shouldn't be so fussy as to what sex it is or where it comes from.
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anae



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Location: cowtown

PostPosted: Sun Mar 07, 2004 7:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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And why should they? Lots of babies out there, girls particularly, that aren't wanted. If couples want a baby so badly they shouldn't be so fussy as to what sex it is or where it comes from.



It is much easier said than done. First you have to set aside the desire to see a little person that looks like a combination of you and your partner and the idea of going through a pregnancy. And then there is Korean thinking.

Probably half of the desire to have a biological child in Korea stems from the husband's family. Blood is everything. Many women go around faking pregnancies before they dare to adopt in secret.

Just as an aside, the Korea gov't charges US$10,000 for each Korean child to be adopted to international parents. I have yet to find out how much they charge Korean nationals for the same privilege.
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peppergirl



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PostPosted: Sun Mar 07, 2004 7:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

anae wrote:

Just as an aside, the Korea gov't charges US$10,000 for each Korean child to be adopted to international parents. I have yet to find out how much they charge Korean nationals for the same privilege.


Not 10,000 USD, but pretty close (in Europe it's 6500 Euro or so - that would be about 8,000 USD).

Korean nationals don't pay that much, not even sure if they even have to pay... They don't have to wait as long, and get housing support etc. Which causes some poorer people to adopt just to get the benefits, and not caring about the kid that much...
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kangnamdragon



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PostPosted: Sun Mar 07, 2004 7:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

good things about Korea for children: low crime, few kidnappings, little drugs, no school shootings, etc.
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the_beaver



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PostPosted: Sun Mar 07, 2004 7:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

kangnamdragon wrote:
good things about Korea for children: low crime, few kidnappings, little drugs, no school shootings, etc.


I disagree about the first two.
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dogbert



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PostPosted: Sun Mar 07, 2004 8:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

the_beaver wrote:
kangnamdragon wrote:
good things about Korea for children: low crime, few kidnappings, little drugs, no school shootings, etc.


I disagree about the first two.


Yeah, it seems like there is practically an epidemic of child kidnaping/murder these days.
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kangnamdragon



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PostPosted: Sun Mar 07, 2004 8:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

? More than the U.S.? not possible
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dogbert



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PostPosted: Sun Mar 07, 2004 8:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

kangnamdragon wrote:
? More than the U.S.? not possible


Who's making the comparison?
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gypsyfish



Joined: 17 Jan 2003
Location: Seoul

PostPosted: Sun Mar 07, 2004 8:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

kangnamdragon wrote:
good things about Korea for children: ... little drugs ...



And there are a butt load of worse places to raise children - several African countries and Iraq and Afganistan come to mind.
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the_beaver



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PostPosted: Sun Mar 07, 2004 8:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

kangnamdragon wrote:
? More than the U.S.? not possible


Crime is high but a whole lot of it goes unreported.

I've been ripped off two or three times. Girlfriend's father's store was broken into. Friend's girlfriend had her purse snatched. None of us reported anything to the police. Assault is often paid off and does not become a crime statistic.

Last year for a period of three months or so kidnapping was all the rage and was almost daily news. Watched a segment on ���� Ư���� ��ħ just last week about missing kids.
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Corporal



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PostPosted: Sun Mar 07, 2004 9:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

gypsyfish wrote:
kangnamdragon wrote:
good things about Korea for children: ... little drugs ...


Easier for them to get in their little mouths.

And there are a butt load of worse places to raise children - several African countries and Iraq and Afganistan come to mind.


Make that virtually ALL African countries, or Mexico, or how about the whole of South America for that matter...
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tsgarp



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PostPosted: Sun Mar 07, 2004 9:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It really depends on where you are. I know this is a national comparison but if you really break it down, I'd rather raise a kid in Chnagwon than in Anacostia even thought the Smithsonian is few subway stops away. I'd rather not raise my kids in Kupo (rough part of Pusan) and I sure as hell would not want to raise my kid in Detroit unless I was well out in the suburbs. Savannah is probably a great place to raise a kid and I would imagine Cheju wouldn't be too bad either. No way would i want to raise a child, especially a daughter in, in Bangkok but I got a friend who has a family in Chang Rai and he loves it there. Seoul is probably a lot harder than many places but it's gotta beat Kumi by a mile.
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