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alphabetspaghetti



Joined: 08 Feb 2011
Location: UK

PostPosted: Sat Apr 06, 2013 9:57 am    Post subject: advice on Visas/working/etc Reply with quote

hi there,

i'm due to fly over to Seoul on the 10th of May to begin training for a teaching role. i'm completely aware in the fact that, in the event of failing said training, I wont get the job.

I pick my E-2 Visa up this coming friday from my local Korean Consulate, after receiving my code last night (going for the Multiple Entry option)

without sounding arrogant or anything; I should be able to pass. although, I have read a few horror stories here and there of folk who have not been fortunate in this situation, and having to either fly home or go to another country to sort themselves out.

basically, i've put a lot of time and effort into this move- I don't want to see it crumble, under any unforeseen circumstances.

in the event of failing the training, my 'Plan B' will be to seek out work elsewhere through other contacts I had built up during the whole process. i've saved up a fair amount of money to see me through for a good while... so, if the 'worst case scenario' was to happen- i'd like put out the feelers and look elsewhere for work.
i'm not going over for nothing!!

is this possible to do with an E-2? I don't want to get kicked out or anything...
or is it advisable to get a second Visa for backup (if it's possible), like a job seeking one for instance, as I technically wont be teaching English if was ''looking for work''?

I will be calling the Consulate on Monday, before I visit them next week, but i'm wondering if anyone has had any similar experiences or can advise me please?

just want to implement a bit of foresight really... it helps!! Smile

many thanks in advance!
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CentralCali



Joined: 17 May 2007

PostPosted: Sat Apr 06, 2013 11:27 am    Post subject: Re: advice on Visas/working/etc Reply with quote

alphabetspaghetti wrote:
hi there,

i'm due to fly over to Seoul on the 10th of May to begin training for a teaching role. i'm completely aware in the fact that, in the event of failing said training, I wont get the job.


CDI?
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alphabetspaghetti



Joined: 08 Feb 2011
Location: UK

PostPosted: Sat Apr 06, 2013 11:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

wow. how did you guess? Wink
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ttompatz



Joined: 05 Sep 2005
Location: Kwangju, South Korea

PostPosted: Sat Apr 06, 2013 6:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Because screwing newbies is a regular occurrence with CDI.

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CentralCali



Joined: 17 May 2007

PostPosted: Sat Apr 06, 2013 7:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Exactly. In addition, those dishonest scum at CDI had to represent to their government that they are, in fact, already your employer, not your client. No doubt one or more of the CDI apologists will appear in this thread to say how peachy keen it is and how fortunate you are to have signed on with an outfit that, to name just a few:

  • Lies to you
  • Lies to their government
  • Stiffs you on Pension
  • Stiffs you on National Health


Your use of the emoticon seemed to me to indicate that you are already aware that CDI is fond of shafting newbies. Why, then, did you sign with them?

Well, if you're going to do it, do it. But don't be shocked when (a) you get shafted, and/or (b) when the class action suit against them is decided if you're in country and all of a sudden you have to pay a massive backpayment for pension/insurance/tax.
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alphabetspaghetti



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PostPosted: Wed Apr 10, 2013 4:37 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

would be nice if my original topic was answered???

fair enough, some of you may not of passed the training/been ripped off/lied to/whatever... no offence, but i've read this all a million times now and from what I gather; it's the ones who have serious beef with CDI that tend to have a serious moan about CDI.

FYI - my friend (who i've known since we were 7 years old), worked for CDI, in Seoul, for 3 years or so, says they were sweet... luck of the draw perhaps???

anyway, what I really would like to know is: can I get a 2nd Visa (IE: a D-10 job seeking Visa) as a "backup", so it will enable me to look for work 'if the worst does happen'?

I wont be able to live and look for work on an E-2 will I?
i'm just preparing myself as I wont be coming back... as said, not going over for nothing!!

and please, I don't want to hear any more whining about CDI as it's getting quite frankly boring now... sorry!

many thanks in advance, again...
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alphabetspaghetti



Joined: 08 Feb 2011
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 10, 2013 5:16 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

also, I read somewhere that upon failing training, CDI had the right to cancel the E-2... is this true?

i'm trying to find the correct info atm and it is proving to be difficult to obtain, hence the fact i'm seeking a plan B.
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ibeattheborg



Joined: 17 Dec 2010
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 10, 2013 6:14 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

You can't have a 'back up' visa. You can hold only one visa at a time. If you somehow manage to fail the CDI training then you can apply for the D10 Visa but only if you receive a Letter Of Release from CDI. That will give you 6 months to find another job. But why sign a contract where the possibility of failing the training exists?
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ttompatz



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PostPosted: Wed Apr 10, 2013 7:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

alphabetspaghetti wrote:
would be nice if my original topic was answered???

fair enough, some of you may not of passed the training/been ripped off/lied to/whatever... no offence, but i've read this all a million times now and from what I gather; it's the ones who have serious beef with CDI that tend to have a serious moan about CDI.

FYI - my friend (who i've known since we were 7 years old), worked for CDI, in Seoul, for 3 years or so, says they were sweet... luck of the draw perhaps???

anyway, what I really would like to know is: can I get a 2nd Visa (IE: a D-10 job seeking Visa) as a "backup", so it will enable me to look for work 'if the worst does happen'?

I wont be able to live and look for work on an E-2 will I?
i'm just preparing myself as I wont be coming back... as said, not going over for nothing!!

and please, I don't want to hear any more whining about CDI as it's getting quite frankly boring now... sorry!

many thanks in advance, again...


Under current immigration policy, once you have been issued an E2 you are committed to that employer for the year.

IF you quit or get fired and are not released and allowed to take other work (get a LOR - note that the employer is NOT obligated to give you one) then you cannot simply change jobs or get a D10.

You are effectively screwed for the year and will be headed to Thailand in the meantime (since you won't be able to get a visa for China without an ARC).

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alphabetspaghetti



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PostPosted: Wed Apr 10, 2013 9:17 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Under current immigration policy, once you have been issued an E2 you are committed to that employer for the year.

IF you quit or get fired and are not released and allowed to take other work (get a LOR - note that the employer is NOT obligated to give you one) then you cannot simply change jobs or get a D10.

You are effectively screwed for the year and will be headed to Thailand in the meantime (since you won't be able to get a visa for China without an ARC).


thanks- this is exactly the information i'm seeking.

i've digested quite enough negativity on CDI that it would be unwise to see what other options happen in the event of a slight crisis. i've also had a few honest PMs on what it is like to work for them too.

as a matter of interest- what are the measures needed to go through in terms of getting a LOR? would I have to go through CDIs main office or is this done directly through the school/faculty (if it was deemed possible)?
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alphabetspaghetti



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PostPosted: Thu Apr 11, 2013 4:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Under current immigration policy, once you have been issued an E2 you are committed to that employer for the year.

IF you quit or get fired and are not released and allowed to take other work (get a LOR - note that the employer is NOT obligated to give you one) then you cannot simply change jobs or get a D10.

You are effectively screwed for the year and will be headed to Thailand in the meantime (since you won't be able to get a visa for China without an ARC).


surely given the fact that there is a 90 day period for ''tourists'' (http://gbr.mofat.go.kr/english/eu/gbr/visa/issuance/index.jsp) before requiring a Visa to stay in Korea; wouldn't this give a little allocated time to sort out another E-2 (or similar requirement Visa), if the situation came around and I had some extra documentation at hand?
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ibeattheborg



Joined: 17 Dec 2010
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 11, 2013 5:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

You will not be entering Korea on a Tourist Visa, you will have an E2 on your passport. The E2 is tied to your employer so having no employer and no LOR means you must leave Korea. If you want a tourist visa you will have to leave the country and get one on your return. This will be of no use to you in any case. You still can't get a new E2 without THE LETTER OF RELEASE. Can you find out from CDI if they routinely give LORs to people who fail the training? If they do then you have no problems except finding a new job. It would be very nasty of them to refuse such a letter after uprooting and flying thousands of miles to get here.
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alphabetspaghetti



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PostPosted: Thu Apr 11, 2013 6:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I did not state anything about tourist Visas...

what I meant was that it clearly says "British passport holders do not require a Visa for the entry purpose of a short term visits (e.g., tours, visiting relatives or friends, attending business meetings) up to 90 days." on the UK's Korean Consulate site

i've actually spoken to the Embassy today to follow up this matter, a British national can stay for up to 90 days in the country with no Visa.
my next point of call will be to contact immigration directly to follow up any alternatives, check the status with E-2s and the before-mentioned info... making sure a LOR is possible with CDI in case anything bad does happen, will also be a priority.
you're totally right in the sense of them being nasty in not providing any LORs in that respect however... from some of the stuff I have read, it's a scenario I completely wish to avoid!! thanks Smile
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ibeattheborg



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PostPosted: Thu Apr 11, 2013 7:20 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

alphabetspaghetti wrote:
I did not state anything about tourist Visas...

what I meant was that it clearly says "British passport holders do not require a Visa for the entry purpose of a short term visits (e.g., tours, visiting relatives or friends, attending business meetings) up to 90 days." on the UK's Korean Consulate site

i've actually spoken to the Embassy today to follow up this matter, a British national can stay for up to 90 days in the country with no Visa.



Yes, you do not need a visa for ENTRY PURPOSES. You could arrive here with no visa and immigration at Incheon airport would stamp your passport with a 90-day Tourist visa. BUT you are arriving here with an E2 visa in your passport. You will not be a tourist so those 90 days are irrelevant.
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alphabetspaghetti



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PostPosted: Thu Apr 11, 2013 7:32 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Yes, you do not need a visa for ENTRY PURPOSES. You could arrive here with no visa and immigration at Incheon airport would stamp your passport with a 90-day Tourist visa. BUT you are arriving here with an E2 visa in your passport. You will not be a tourist so those 90 days are irrelevant


ok, so in this scenario- i'm taking an educated guess that a trip to the British Embassy would be a possible destination then perhaps?
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