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Waygeek
Joined: 27 Feb 2013
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 Posted: Tue May 14, 2013 3:25 am Post subject: Two gaming PC's for sale. |
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Hi. My hagwon is not offering enough of a bump this year so I'm looking to leave and travel for a bit. I have two PC's that I built, one I built for my apartment and one I built to use in my classroom, so I'm selling these off now.
First, my home rig. This is a 'high mid-spec' rig, it will run all games on Max for a long time to come, Battlefield 4 and Rome 2: Total War included. It certainly eats up BF3 and Shogun 2. I built it in November, the parts are still considered to be pretty awesome.
I'm selling it for W1.4, and here is a breakdown of the specs.
Bitfenix Prodigy case
i7 3770 Intel CPU
ASRock z77e ITX motherboard
nVidia 660ti 2GB
Crucial M4 256GB SSD
1TB Western Digital Green HDD
Two extra Prodigy fans installed
Corsair Vengeance 16GB RAM
Zalman 500W Power Supply
Zalman Fan controller
All cabling inside (SATA 6GB, etc)- Free.
Building fee- No charge.
Pick-up only, I won't be posting it (Seoul area).
I do not want to split up the components of this P.C., but I would be willing to keep the RAM, if you want to use less RAM, or if you already have some you want to use. I could also be convinced to keep the 1TB HDD and power supply if you have your own.
I can provide all the empty boxes for the components that are inside the case, I kept them all.
The case is not going to fit in a carry-on plane bag but will easily fit in a suitcase, it's significantly smaller than most gaming cases. Posting home will also possible and affordable.
My second PC is a budget gaming rig that I use as a work PC. I built it 3 weeks ago. It can handle games like League of Legends, DOTA 2, etc. And of course older games.
I'm selling it for W400,000.
Coolermaster Elite 120 Advanced case
AMD A10 5800K APU
ASRock FM2A85X-ITX Motherboard
Seagate Momentus Thin 500GB
Crucial Ballistix Sport RAM 8GB
All cabling inside (SATA 6GB, etc)- Free.
Building fee- No charge.
Pick-up only, I won't be posting it (Seoul area).
The AMD A10 5800K APU (CPU) is unique in that it has a decent graphics chip inside (much better than on Intel processors). This chip can crossfire with a dedicated graphics card, essentially acting like you are running two graphics cards. If someone wanted me to add this to the rig, I would install it for free; the card would only cost you 80,000 off of GMarket.
Both of these PC's are on Linux because I was using a Windows 7 trial previously and that has expired now. I can look into putting a new trial on though, that's good for 120 days. They also don't have disk drives because I don't use them, it's easier for me to download everything these days. If you have an external disk drive, they'll work fine.
Genuine offers only, no time wasters, no thread spoiling, prices are firm. I'm in Seoul and can meet anywhere on the subway line. Thanks! |
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Waygeek
Joined: 27 Feb 2013
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wishfullthinkng
Joined: 05 Mar 2010
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| Posted: Tue May 21, 2013 8:26 pm Post subject: |
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yeah not to rain on your parade but to give you an idea, i purchased a new pc 6 months ago at around 1.4mil that has similar specs to your high end one but it has a few higher specs running a 670gtx 4gb oc'ed windforce card and a 3tb hdd.
1.3 would be high for your machine, even if it was brand new. |
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Waygeek
Joined: 27 Feb 2013
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| Posted: Wed May 22, 2013 4:24 am Post subject: |
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1.4 including a Gigabyte 670 OC ? Doubtful, unless the CPU was a Celeron. Cause, that card is not what I would call cheap; http://prod.danawa.com/info/?pcode=1820135&cate1=861&cate2=876&cate3=972&cate4=&keyword=670 Would have been even more expensive 'six months ago'.
There is around W500,000 knocked off what it cost me to build this unit, and I only built in November. It has an i7 3770, which, as games like Crysis 3 start using multi-core more and more, will trump an i5 3750. Plus there is also a large 256GB SSD in mine. And 16GB of RAM. It's a fair price.
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1.3 would be high for your machine, even if it was brand new. |
You have no idea what you're talking about. It cost me almost 1.8 million to build, at the cheapest prices possible. If you were to buy this at retail, you should add on another 200,000, bringing it to 2 mill, not 1.4.
Genuinely interested posters only please! |
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wishfullthinkng
Joined: 05 Mar 2010
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| Posted: Wed May 22, 2013 7:30 pm Post subject: |
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don't get offended champ, i'm just trying to help you sell your rig.
yes, my pc was actually 1.5mil, and yes it has a gigabyte windforce 4x 4gb 670gtx. my cpu is an i5 3570, not a celeron, as i obviously did not need the ivy bridge hd4000 nor would an i7 net me much more than 5 extra fps in most games. there are very few games that will see any performance benefit from an i7 versus the extra cost of an i7 over an i5. VERY few.
my ssd is only 128gb, but it's the fastest ssd adata makes which rivals the best from samsung, intel, corsair, etc., but my hdd is 3tb.
yes, all this for 1.5mil purchased in early january so around 5 months ago. |
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Waygeek
Joined: 27 Feb 2013
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| Posted: Thu May 23, 2013 3:12 am Post subject: |
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| wishfullthinkng wrote: |
don't get offended champ, i'm just trying to help you sell your rig.
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Funnily enough, you're doing the opposite. Here, let me help you.
My PC is W200,000 less than your PC was, has a better CPU which is going to come into its own with this coming generation of games, most likely a better motherboard, a better SSD, is probably smaller and more portable, has a converting power supply so it can be taken back to the west, and probably twice the RAM. Extra fans too. If someone needs more storage than a terabyte, I recommend an external drive (for movies, etc.) Extra HDD's can be installed as well, and that's very easy to do.
Any further thread spoiling will be reported. Cheers guys. |
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oppa637
Joined: 05 Dec 2011
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| Posted: Thu May 23, 2013 4:38 pm Post subject: |
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To be fair, it was 5 months ago as technology prices drop rather fast.
Also, note that your pc is used.
But the hardware seems good. You can ask for whatever amount you want. Let the buyer determine if he wants to pay it. |
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wishfullthinkng
Joined: 05 Mar 2010
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| Posted: Thu May 23, 2013 5:44 pm Post subject: |
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| Waygeek wrote: |
| wishfullthinkng wrote: |
don't get offended champ, i'm just trying to help you sell your rig.
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Funnily enough, you're doing the opposite. Here, let me help you.
My PC is W200,000 less than your PC was, has a better CPU which is going to come into its own with this coming generation of games, most likely a better motherboard, a better SSD, is probably smaller and more portable, has a converting power supply so it can be taken back to the west, and probably twice the RAM. Extra fans too. If someone needs more storage than a terabyte, I recommend an external drive (for movies, etc.) Extra HDD's can be installed as well, and that's very easy to do.
Any further thread spoiling will be reported. Cheers guys. |
nope exact same ram model and size actually, 16gb corsair vengeance. your ssd is a 256gb crucial m4 with a marvell controller with 500mb sustained sequential read and 175mb sustained sequential write. mine is an adata with a sandforce controller that reads at 550mb and writes at 510mb. even though it's half the size of yours in terms of storage its performance is vastly superior. plus 128gb is more than enough for an OS and applications.
then if you want to do the "mine is bigger" dance, my hdd is THREE TIMES your size at 3tb compared to your 1tb. AND your platter spins at 5400rpm, mine at 7200rpm. another big performance difference.
it's as if you can't get enough of being wrong. my mobo is an asrock z77 extreme 3. as for my case it's a highly regarded standard atx with 6 fans that can be turned on and off as desired via the case itself.
yes your cpu is "better" though in real world performance almost not at all. again, even with games releasing now, you will only net a couple extra fps. anyone versed in intel chip architecture knows that an i5 is the cost to peformance king of pc gaming and that there is very little difference between an i5 and i7 besides hyperthreading. however my gpu runs circles around yours and in a GAMING RIG that is what is important. my gpu will gain a person many more fps than your i7 advantage could hope to do.
to add a final nail into the coffin your supposedly superior power supply is rated at 500watts. i've got a 620watt psu that supports two gpu's in case a user would like to run cards in SLI for a little bit of fun futureproofing. your psu will not be able to support another high end gpu. so there's that.
since pc's are one of my specialties, at first i was trying to help you by giving you an idea of the current market but now since you are behaving like a child my purpose is to keep people informed that your machine is not worth anything near what you are asking.
please feel free to report me and buyers, if you would like further information on a fair price for a new machine or have questions on current market values, please feel free to pm me.
edit: spelling |
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phatrick
Joined: 18 Apr 2006
Location: Busan
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| Posted: Thu May 23, 2013 11:08 pm Post subject: |
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gaming system is a decent system but as other posters said it can be built new for same amount of money as asking price, give or take a couple won... technology sucks for it holding value  |
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Waygeek
Joined: 27 Feb 2013
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| Posted: Fri May 24, 2013 6:53 pm Post subject: |
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| phatrick wrote: |
| give or take a couple won... technology sucks for it holding value |
Give or take several hundred thousand won, and the price was established from current prices off danawa, not what I had paid last year.
Funnily enough, the prices were exactly the same.
I wish technology sucked for holding its value, but unfortunately the opposite is true if the technology is good. Important factor there. |
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Waygeek
Joined: 27 Feb 2013
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| Posted: Fri May 24, 2013 7:24 pm Post subject: |
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| wishfullthinkng wrote: |
mine is an adata. |
1. What the hell is an adata? No one should be buying SSD's that are not respectable brands like Crucial or Samsung; SSD's are new tech and pretty failure prone if you buy the wrong brand. Crucial or Samsung are the only two recommendations you'll get from people who actually know what they're talking about.
2. 128GB is fine, but 256GB is better. It's much better having ten or so of my most played steam games on an SSD. Load times in the ten second load range, is great. You keep your off brand small SSD. This is an all-round great system, not a great graphics card hooked up to mediocre components like yours. And on top of that, it's cheaper than what you paid.
| wishfullthinkng wrote: |
then if you want to do the "mine is bigger" dance, my hdd is THREE TIMES your size at 3tb compared to your 1tb. AND your platter spins at 5400rpm, mine at 7200rpm. another big performance difference. |
Actually you're the only one sad enough to be doing that, I'm just looking to get a fair price for my gear.
You seem to be obsessed with this HDD; HDD's are the most inconsequential thing someone needs to worry about when building. A good SSD is so much more important. You have external storage as an option, I prefer this too because then I can share with friends. You have the ease of installing another HDD yourself. It's a non-issue. 1TB is a good size; if a buyer wants me to put in more at a cost, I have no problem doing that.
| wishfullthinkng wrote: |
yes your cpu is "better" though in real world performance almost not at all. |
Nope, its much better in the real world and whatever imaginary worlds you think exist, and also, again, with the next gen coming as early as November, multi-threading will become far more important.
| wishfullthinkng wrote: |
to add a final nail into the coffin your supposedly superior power supply is rated at 500watts. i've got a 620watt psu that supports two gpu's in case a user would like to run cards in SLI for a little bit of fun futureproofing. your psu will not be able to support another high end gpu. so there's that.
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Actually this is completely incorrect, you obviously don't know your wattages. But you also don't know your motherboard sizes either. You do know that a mini-ITX only has one slot for a GPU right? So where would I put a second GPU? Hanging out the case? You know nothing about computers mate.
Also, LOL at using the term futureproofing. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FK4ip08auGg
And again, my PSU will convert automatically if it were to be taken back to the west. If you were to sell your PC, the buyer would have to replace the PSU if they went home. So, there's that.
Also, you might have noticed, but we live abroad. Do your water-cooling and multi-GPU setup at home. This is a nice, purpose built, powerful PC, in a small case that can travel to another country if needs be. It's probably half the height of yours too. It's small, powerful, air-cooled, and has a converting PSU. Perfect for expats.
| wishfullthinkng wrote: |
since pc's are one of my specialties |
I see where you get your username from. I built this PC, spent weeks researching components; I do not need market advice from someone who bought theirs pre-made.
| wishfullthinkng wrote: |
have questions on current market values, please feel free to pm me.
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Only if you want a bad system, guys. Otherwise head over to overclock.net and they'll steer you right.
Wishfullthinking, got a link to the original Craigslist ad for your PC? Should be in your emails with your seller. |
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hanguker
Joined: 16 Mar 2005
Location: Korea
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| Posted: Sat May 25, 2013 1:41 am Post subject: |
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I think you're asking a bit much. Compuzone is selling the same machine for 1450K brand new with warranty. And they use all name-brand components right down to the case:
http://www.compuzone.co.kr/product/iworks_detail.htm?ProductNo=245406&BigDivNo=1&MediumDivNo=1001&DivNo=2261#spec_change
You have a bit more memory and it has a bigger PSU and a DVD-burner so we'll call it even.
I think anyone would consider a 30% dc on used electronics to be reasonable, so an asking price between 1000-1100K won would be better.
I know you got your pride, but facts are facts. If you'd consider 1000K I'd be in the market for a gaming PC. PM me.
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maximmm
Joined: 01 Feb 2008
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| Posted: Sat May 25, 2013 5:11 am Post subject: |
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I think many posters here have made very legitimate points.
A similar PC can be bought/made for a similar price - only it would be brand new.
The question is, by what amount should the price drop due to the pc being used. 20%/30%/40%?
In today's day and age futureproofing technology is very much impossible.
One has to wonder, for example, by what amount the spec standards will rise once the new game platforms come out (PS4/xbox) - and they will come out this year.
I know for a fact that once new generation of platforms comes out, the minimum specs for PC games tend to rise significantly over the following year or so. |
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Waygeek
Joined: 27 Feb 2013
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| Posted: Sat May 25, 2013 7:34 am Post subject: |
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| maximmm wrote: |
I know for a fact that once new generation of platforms comes out, the minimum specs for PC games tend to rise significantly over the following year or so. |
You know for a fact... how? PS4 have XBOX One have specs that are similar to that cheap PC I also have listed. Not the expensive one. And the expensive one is not high-end, it's decidedly mid-range (high mid-range, but still).
I see nothing substantial changing on the horizon. They're struggling to improve chipsets 15% year on year as it is... The difference between the 3770, and 4770 chips, is about that. Same with AMD. GPU's... a little more perhaps but not substantial.
PC's don't get better when consoles say so. Consoles are catching up. I like gaming on consoles and PC, but it's an irrefutable fact that PC's are much more powerful and develop at their own pace, with only technology and cost-effectiveness holding them back.
Actually, I have twice the RAM memory (and RAM is pretty expensive when you get to those sizes). AND that included motherboard is in a different price range to mine entirely, W50,000+ difference. I don't even think that motherboard has wifi, mine does. Only two SATA 6gbs ports too, that's not really enough these days. A well rated M/B, but too cheap to be really nice.
That's like, W200,000 you failed to account for.
Now you can understand the pricing. 1.3 is a good price and the lowest its going.
AND that's not my case. Similar price, but the Prodigy is much smaller more portable.
Not a bad deal though, nice catch! For a national who never plans to leave or move etc. that's a pretty good buy, I would recommend it.
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hanguker
Joined: 16 Mar 2005
Location: Korea
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| Posted: Sat May 25, 2013 7:49 am Post subject: |
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Yes, double the memory 50K.
Granted your motherboard is 70K more than theirs.
Sorry for the rapid edits...but you keep editing. 
Anyhow...I know you're not going to lower the price, but maybe get ready to take the machine with you wherever you are going. |
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