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cmxc
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jvalmer
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cj1976
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| You need to find other ways to amuse yourself, because this is your weakest Korea bash yet. Accidents like this happen everywhere. It's hard to see how this is the fault of an entire country. Tool. |
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Lazio
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| Posted: Tue Feb 10, 2015 10:14 pm Post subject: |
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| That bridge is an accident prone area. High winds often fog and usually light traffic and straight for miles so its hard not to go faster than speed limit. I believe a few years ago there was another airport bus involved in an accident there. |
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Steelrails
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| Posted: Wed Feb 11, 2015 12:10 am Post subject: |
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Obviously, this can happen anywhere.
Still if foggy conditions are common there, an enclosed bridge or tunnel should have been considered so there might be a valid point on poor planning. |
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nicwr2002
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| Posted: Wed Feb 11, 2015 1:27 am Post subject: |
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| Steelrails wrote: |
Obviously, this can happen anywhere.
Still if foggy conditions are common there, an enclosed bridge or tunnel should have been considered so there might be a valid point on poor planning. |
Please tell me you are being sarcastic. |
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optik404
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| Posted: Wed Feb 11, 2015 4:36 am Post subject: |
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| I saw someone slip on some leftover snow today. Promptly wrote a letter to my local gu office to take care of its citizens. |
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Stan Rogers
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| Posted: Thu Feb 12, 2015 6:22 am Post subject: |
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| Steelrails wrote: |
Obviously, this can happen anywhere.
Still if foggy conditions are common there, an enclosed bridge or tunnel should have been considered so there might be a valid point on poor planning. |
Such an idea would drive up the cost of the highway to a point where tolls would be so expensive people would be reluctant to use it. |
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jvalmer
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| Posted: Thu Feb 12, 2015 4:30 pm Post subject: |
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| Steelrails wrote: |
Obviously, this can happen anywhere.
Still if foggy conditions are common there, an enclosed bridge or tunnel should have been considered so there might be a valid point on poor planning. |
I personally think the airport shouldn't have been out there. But I think they wanted to avoid the electoral costs by taking people's land at 'government' prices and pissing off a lot of voters. Similar to what happened when Japan built Narita Airport, and the reason why Osaka's Airport was built way out in the middle of the ocean.
As for the enclosing a tunnel, that'd be a waste of money. It's an open area, you don't go build a tunnel in an open area. You just got to remind people to drive according to the conditions.
And those bus drivers, speeding along as it were a sunny day should know better. Bus companies should be fined heavily for speeding. Most likely they drive fast due to pressure to get to stops in time, even when the weather conditions don't warrant it. I'm sure passengers would rather arrive safe, and incident free than on time. |
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northway
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| Posted: Thu Feb 12, 2015 4:47 pm Post subject: |
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| jvalmer wrote: |
| Steelrails wrote: |
Obviously, this can happen anywhere.
Still if foggy conditions are common there, an enclosed bridge or tunnel should have been considered so there might be a valid point on poor planning. |
I personally think the airport shouldn't have been out there. But I think they wanted to avoid the electoral costs by taking people's land at 'government' prices and pissing off a lot of voters. Similar to what happened when Japan built Narita Airport, and the reason why Osaka's Airport was built way out in the middle of the ocean.
As for the enclosing a tunnel, that'd be a waste of money. It's an open area, you don't go build a tunnel in an open area. You just got to remind people to drive according to the conditions.
And those bus drivers, speeding along as it were a sunny day should know better. Bus companies should be fined heavily for speeding. Most likely they drive fast due to pressure to get to stops in time, even when the weather conditions don't warrant it. I'm sure passengers would rather arrive safe, and incident free than on time. |
I think the airport is in a great place. Since they put the rail line in it's super convenient to get into Seoul, even for those with zero Korean ability.
Also, are you sure that the bus drivers speed? Correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe that's a toll road where they're going to get ticketed if they go too quickly. Is this not the case? Not that I'm trying to defend Korean bus drivers here. |
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jvalmer
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| Posted: Thu Feb 12, 2015 4:55 pm Post subject: |
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| Also, are you sure that the bus drivers speed? Correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe that's a toll road where they're going to get ticketed if they go too quickly. Is this not the case? Not that I'm trying to defend Korean bus drivers here. |
I'm pretty confident they are always going 100km/h fog, snow, or shine. The cause of this accident is driving too fast for the conditions. Most drivers are guilty of it, and not just in Korea. If you can only see 30 meters in front of you, you've go to slow down, and increase the distance between you and the car in front of you. I'm talking like 30 km/h slow down. Leave earlier if you think you're going to be later. Or take the train. |
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atwood
Joined: 26 Dec 2009
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| Posted: Thu Feb 12, 2015 5:31 pm Post subject: |
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| jvalmer wrote: |
| Steelrails wrote: |
Obviously, this can happen anywhere.
Still if foggy conditions are common there, an enclosed bridge or tunnel should have been considered so there might be a valid point on poor planning. |
I personally think the airport shouldn't have been out there. But I think they wanted to avoid the electoral costs by taking people's land at 'government' prices and pissing off a lot of voters. Similar to what happened when Japan built Narita Airport, and the reason why Osaka's Airport was built way out in the middle of the ocean.
As for the enclosing a tunnel, that'd be a waste of money. It's an open area, you don't go build a tunnel in an open area. You just got to remind people to drive according to the conditions.
And those bus drivers, speeding along as it were a sunny day should know better. Bus companies should be fined heavily for speeding. Most likely they drive fast due to pressure to get to stops in time, even when the weather conditions don't warrant it. I'm sure passengers would rather arrive safe, and incident free than on time. |
It was tour bus, not a city bus, that set off the accident so there was no need to adhere to a tight schedule.
I always assumed they were just benchmarking Narita when they built the Incheon airport. |
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northway
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| Posted: Thu Feb 12, 2015 5:35 pm Post subject: |
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| Also, are you sure that the bus drivers speed? Correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe that's a toll road where they're going to get ticketed if they go too quickly. Is this not the case? Not that I'm trying to defend Korean bus drivers here. |
I'm pretty confident they are always going 100km/h fog, snow, or shine. The cause of this accident is driving too fast for the conditions. Most drivers are guilty of it, and not just in Korea. If you can only see 30 meters in front of you, you've go to slow down, and increase the distance between you and the car in front of you. I'm talking like 30 km/h slow down. Leave earlier if you think you're going to be later. Or take the train. |
Fair enough, and I'm guilty of having rear-ended someone in conditions like this (to be fair, he didn't use a turn signal). I've been super careful since then. |
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atwood
Joined: 26 Dec 2009
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| Posted: Thu Feb 12, 2015 5:40 pm Post subject: |
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| northway wrote: |
| Also, are you sure that the bus drivers speed? Correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe that's a toll road where they're going to get ticketed if they go too quickly. Is this not the case? Not that I'm trying to defend Korean bus drivers here. |
I'm pretty confident they are always going 100km/h fog, snow, or shine. The cause of this accident is driving too fast for the conditions. Most drivers are guilty of it, and not just in Korea. If you can only see 30 meters in front of you, you've go to slow down, and increase the distance between you and the car in front of you. I'm talking like 30 km/h slow down. Leave earlier if you think you're going to be later. Or take the train. |
Yes and no, I think drivers in other developed countries have greater recognition that you need to adjust to the conditions. Laws that require you to turn on your headlights when it rains help to alert drivers as well.
The news reports said that there was a warning sign before the bridge telling drivers to slow to 50kph, but who in Korea pays attention to signs like that? The lack of police enforcement of traffic laws plays a big part too.
The footage from cars involved in the wrecks did show a car or two going slowly, and I hope they were able to avoid the accident.
But for the most part I agree with your post. leave earlier when the weather is bad just does not seem to compute for many here. |
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northway
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| Posted: Thu Feb 12, 2015 5:51 pm Post subject: |
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| atwood wrote: |
Yes and no, I think drivers in other developed countries have greater recognition that you need to adjust to the conditions. Laws that require you to turn on your headlights when it rains help to alert drivers as well.
The news reports said that there was a warning sign before the bridge telling drivers to slow to 50kph, but who in Korea pays attention to signs like that? The lack of police enforcement of traffic laws plays a big part too.
The footage from cars involved in the wrecks did show a car or two going slowly, and I hope they were able to avoid the accident.
But for the most part I agree with your post. leave earlier when the weather is bad just does not seem to compute for many here. |
Largely agreed, but I do think Koreans are much better about hitting their hazards when in a traffic jam, something I don't see often enough in North America (though to be fair, this may be tied to the fact that Korean drivers will totally nail you if you don't, and you'll be partially responsible given Korean traffic laws). I'll also say that I've seen far more cars without their lights on at night, let alone in the rain, in Atlanta than I have anywhere in Asia (though Koreans can be bad about this as well).
I really think people respond to whatever level of police enforcement is in effect - in the States, you can get away with never using a turn signal in much of the South, so people don't. You try that shit in New York or Massachusetts and you're getting a ticket. Korea's cops need to get up off their asses. |
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