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[Wangja]

It's official, the hunt is over.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/4169107.stm

So, one more time - what was the reason for invasion?

[desultude]

So I want to see some honest humility around here, as us wacky, Saddam loving, left wing pinko commies do a little "I told you so" dance.

Come on Bushites- some honest contrition is in order.

(Bus-hites is the beeped word!)

[The Bobster]

[Yu_Bum_suk]

[desultude]

[Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee]

[Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee]

What about this?


Nuclear Weapons Program. After Iraq��s defeat in the 1991 Gulf War, the IAEA discovered that Iraq had violated its NPT obligations by secretly pursuing a multi-billion-dollar nuclear weapons program, code-named "Petrochemical 3," with thousands of workers in numerous facilities. In the course of its sixth inspection, the IAEA located thousands of pages of documents that revealed the extent of the Iraqi nuclear weapons program, forcing the Iraqi authorities to finally acknowledge its existence. The IAEA investigation revealed details of Baghdad��s efforts to design an implosion-type nuclear explosive device and to test its non-nuclear components, including Iraq��s plans to produce large quantities of lithium-6, a material used usually for the production of "boosted" atomic bombs and hydrogen bombs. In addition, the inspectors found that Iraq was pursuing a parallel program to develop a missile-delivery system for its nuclear arms. IAEA officials estimated that Iraq might have been able to, had the war not intervened, manufacture its first atomic weapons, using indigenously produced weapons-grade uranium, as early as the fall of 1993.



http://www.ceip.org/programs/npp/iraq.htm

[W.T.Carl]

Don't waste your time responding to these cretins. These hopeless lefties would have you believe that Saddam was just a jolly grandfather type, that his sons were just your normal everyday fun loving boys, that the Kurds were never gassed ( NERVE GAS IS A WMD), that mustard gas wasn't used against Iran, that the Isrealis blew up a "peaceful" nuclear plant and that the moon is made of green cheese.

[some waygug-in]

Yes, and the US has been so much better for Iraqis than Saddam.


http://www.michaelmoore.com/words/index.php?id=909

There were a number of prisoners that I know of who were killed for throwing stones during a riot. I shouldn't say riot; it was more like a disturbance. I talked with a guy who shot several of the prisoners. The prisoners were protesting the conditions – lack of food, lack of cigarettes – and they were marching around the yard. Some of them started picking up stones and throwing stones at the guards. They deployed extra military police to quell the disturbance. At first, they had rubber bullets and tear gas, but they ran out of that, and it wasn't really effective. At some point – I'm not sure who authorized it – the guards requested the right to use lethal force and opened fire with a machine gun, and ultimately killed several prisoners for throwing stones. The guards testified that they felt they were in danger, so they opened fire. The military accepted that. There wasn't any inquiry, and no one glanced an eye at the dead prisoners. This was for throwing stones. The world community has roundly condemned Israel for shooting Palestinans for throwing stones. And that happened at Abu Ghraib.

Did you personally witness the incident in which the prisoners were shot?

Actually, I wasn't there. I was segregated in the motor pool when it happened, but I ended up getting photos from people who shot the prisoners – [the photos] were treated as trophies and were circulated in our company. It was not a secret; everyone knew about it. All the members of the unit were passing [photos] around, and they posted them in the command center for everyone to see. This was something they were proud of. It was a very macho thing to shoot unarmed prisoners. One guy was a local hero for the week because he'd killed X number of prisoners – one of the prisoners he had shot in the groin had taken three days to die. This was something people were laughing and joking about. This guy was strutting around after having killed these prisoners and I remember just being utterly sickened. We were soldiers, and to shoot an unarmed, caged prisoner was not something to be proud of. Abu Ghraib and all the prisoner abuse [came out of] this atmosphere of brutality.

Can you give more accounts of the day-to-day brutality at Abu Ghraib

[some waygug-in]

Yes, and the US has been so much better for Iraqis than Saddam.


http://www.michaelmoore.com/words/index.php?id=909

There were a number of prisoners that I know of who were killed for throwing stones during a riot. I shouldn't say riot; it was more like a disturbance. I talked with a guy who shot several of the prisoners. The prisoners were protesting the conditions – lack of food, lack of cigarettes – and they were marching around the yard. Some of them started picking up stones and throwing stones at the guards. They deployed extra military police to quell the disturbance. At first, they had rubber bullets and tear gas, but they ran out of that, and it wasn't really effective. At some point – I'm not sure who authorized it – the guards requested the right to use lethal force and opened fire with a machine gun, and ultimately killed several prisoners for throwing stones. The guards testified that they felt they were in danger, so they opened fire. The military accepted that. There wasn't any inquiry, and no one glanced an eye at the dead prisoners. This was for throwing stones. The world community has roundly condemned Israel for shooting Palestinans for throwing stones. And that happened at Abu Ghraib.

Did you personally witness the incident in which the prisoners were shot?

Actually, I wasn't there. I was segregated in the motor pool when it happened, but I ended up getting photos from people who shot the prisoners – [the photos] were treated as trophies and were circulated in our company. It was not a secret; everyone knew about it. All the members of the unit were passing [photos] around, and they posted them in the command center for everyone to see. This was something they were proud of. It was a very macho thing to shoot unarmed prisoners. One guy was a local hero for the week because he'd killed X number of prisoners – one of the prisoners he had shot in the groin had taken three days to die. This was something people were laughing and joking about. This guy was strutting around after having killed these prisoners and I remember just being utterly sickened. We were soldiers, and to shoot an unarmed, caged prisoner was not something to be proud of. Abu Ghraib and all the prisoner abuse [came out of] this atmosphere of brutality.

[Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee]

Micheal Moore? Uh oh



http://www.spinsanity.org/columns/20040702.html


Fahrenheit 9/11:
The temperature at which Michael Moore's pants burn

By Brendan Nyhan
July 2, 2004

[some waygug-in]

Oh, maybe you'll like this one better:

http://www.khaleejtimes.com/DisplayArticle.asp?xfile=data/focusoniraq/2005/January/focusoniraq_January83.xml&section=focusoniraq&col

Iraqi victim says US torture worse than Saddam
(Reuters)

12 January 2005



FORT HOOD, Texas - A former inmate at Iraq뭩 Abu Ghraib prison forced by US guards to masturbate in public and piled onto a pyramid of naked men said Tuesday even Iraqi dictator Saddam Hussein did not do such things.


The inmate testified at the court martial of reservist soldier Charles Graner, accused ringleader of guards who engaged in the abuse, which prompted outrage when pictures of the sexual humiliation were published around the world.

밒 couldn뭪 believe in the beginning that this could happen, but I wished I could kill myself because no one was there to stop it,?Hussein Mutar, who was sent to Abu Ghraib accused of car theft, said in videotaped testimony.

밫hey were torturing us as though it was theater for them,?he said, as the prosecution wound up its case against Graner on assault, dereliction of duty and other charges that could bring him up to 17 1/2 years in prison.

An obviously ill at ease Mutar added: 밒 was extremely emotional because (even) Saddam didn뭪 do this to us.?o:p>

Graner and Pvt. Lynndie England, with whom he fathered a child and who is also facing a court-martial, became the faces of the Abu Ghraib prison scandal after they appeared smiling in photographs that showed degraded, naked prisoners.

Since the scandal erupted last year, the Bush administration has blamed it on a small group of soldiers.

But investigations have shown many prisoners in Iraq, Afghanistan and at the US Navy base at Guantanamo Bay in Cuba also suffered abusive treatment after the government looked at ways to obtain more information in its war against terrorism.

Sexual humiliation
At the trial military prosecutors have presented evidence not seen before in public from Abu Ghraib, including a video of forced group masturbation and a picture of a woman prisoner ordered to show her breasts.

Graner뭩 lawyer Guy Womack argues his client was only following orders to soften up prisoners for military intelligence agents. He said activities such as making human pyramids with naked hooded prisoners were not illegal.

In earlier video testimony Tuesday, Ameen Al-Sheikh, a Syrian who said he went to Iraq to oppose the US occupation, declared,?Graner was the primary torturer.?o:p>

Al-Sheikh, well known in Abu Ghraib for having once obtained a gun from an Iraqi guard and exchanged fire with American soldiers, appeared wary in his testimony.

밫hat Graner guy is a man who hurt his country, hurt his people and I think he will receive his punishment,?he said. He said Graner forced him to eat pork and drink alcohol, practices against his Islamic religion.

Graner said outside court of the man, 밫he last time I saw him he was threatening to kill me.?o:p>

Three soldiers in Graner뭩 former unit had testified on Monday about his key role in stacking naked prisoners into a pyramid, putting a leash on a prisoner and other abuses in the highest security area of the prison just outside Baghdad.

Two investigators testified that they had identified prisoners shown in the abuse pictures as common criminals arrested on charges including robbery, assault and prostitution.

On Wednesday, the defense will open its case that will include testimony from Graner.

[Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee]

Was he even ever in Saddam's jail?

My guess is that most who are fighting the US were not fighting against Saddam.

[Daechidong Waygookin]

The title is missing one thing:

There would have never been any WMDs.

[Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee]

Why would there not have been any WMDs?