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rok_the-boat
Joined: 24 Jan 2004
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Cthulhu
Joined: 02 Feb 2003
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Posted: Mon May 16, 2005 4:56 pm Post subject: |
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Well, it's 15 dead Afghanis over it. I don't smell any rat, but what I see is a news organization that is doing its best not to feel guilty about screwing up over a source. |
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Summer Wine
Joined: 20 Mar 2005 Location: Next to a River
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Posted: Mon May 16, 2005 5:06 pm Post subject: |
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Come on, anyone could have seen that publishing that news piece was not the brightest of ideas. But the cats out of the bag and its not likely to ever be let back in.
Though the US could take 3 death row inmates, hand them over to the Islamic council in Pakistan, tell them they are the interrogaters, watch them get torn apart and say problem over. (Just Kidding).
Accept it, this news piece is more likely to become an accepted part of muslim (folklore) in Muslim nations then die away a forgotton piece of a supposed publishing mistake. |
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igotthisguitar
Joined: 08 Apr 2003 Location: South Korea (Permanent Vacation)
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Posted: Mon May 16, 2005 5:10 pm Post subject: |
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>. Big time damage control ... |
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rok_the-boat
Joined: 24 Jan 2004
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Posted: Mon May 16, 2005 5:40 pm Post subject: |
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Sorry - I don't see it as screwing up over a source. At the time the source gave the info, it was just plain old info and he likely thought little of it. Now that it has blown up in his face he seems - unsure - about it. A likely story, indeed. And such backtracking under political pressure will only infuriate the muslims further, although it might makethe Pentagon feel a bit better.
And even if the story were false, I don't see how you could easily backtrack out of it.
The truth is not out there, it seems. |
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Derrek
Joined: 15 Jan 2003
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Posted: Mon May 16, 2005 5:58 pm Post subject: |
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First Rather at CBS, and now Newsweek.
This is hardly Bushie controlling the media. This is the media digging their own trashy left-wing hole, then falling into it.
I hope Newsweek is damaged severely, and loses subscribers, but I doubt that will happen. |
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Cthulhu
Joined: 02 Feb 2003
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Posted: Mon May 16, 2005 6:02 pm Post subject: |
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Sorry - I don't see it as screwing up over a source. At the time the source gave the info, it was just plain old info and he likely thought little of it. Now that it has blown up in his face he seems - unsure - about it. A likely story, indeed. And such backtracking under political pressure will only infuriate the muslims further, although it might makethe Pentagon feel a bit better. |
15 dead people over a story that his been retracted and apologized for--that seems pretty screwed up to me. |
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Wangja
Joined: 17 May 2004 Location: Seoul, Yongsan
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Posted: Mon May 16, 2005 6:25 pm Post subject: |
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"People have lost their lives. Our image abroad has been damaged," he said. |
That is from Rumsfeld. Pleasing though it is that he can recognise the importance of life, I cannot help but feel that it is the second part that is the motivator.
Mind you, his recognition of that fact that the image of the USA abroad is important is a useful first step. Perhaps the next will be to see just how much that image has been tarnished by this administration. |
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rok_the-boat
Joined: 24 Jan 2004
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Posted: Mon May 16, 2005 6:39 pm Post subject: |
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Derrek wrote: |
I hope Newsweek is damaged severely, and loses subscribers, but I doubt that will happen. |
It'll certainly boost the number of readers this week. |
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Cthulhu
Joined: 02 Feb 2003
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Posted: Mon May 16, 2005 6:45 pm Post subject: |
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"People have lost their lives. Our image abroad has been damaged," he said. |
Yes, Rumsfeld did say that. Oh, the irony is delicious. |
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mithridates
Joined: 03 Mar 2003 Location: President's office, Korean Space Agency
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Posted: Mon May 16, 2005 8:20 pm Post subject: |
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Even more ironic, in fact. Here's the rest of the quote:
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"People lost their lives. People are dead," Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld said. "People need to be very careful about what they say, just as they need to be careful about what they do." |
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On the other hand
Joined: 19 Apr 2003 Location: I walk along the avenue
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Posted: Mon May 16, 2005 8:28 pm Post subject: |
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The pro-war Andrew Sullivan has summed this all up better than I ever could:
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We have yet to see what's at the root, if anything, of the Newsweek story. But I think it's telling that some bloggers have devoted much, much more energy to covering the Newsweek error than they ever have to covering any sliver of the widespread evidence of detainee abuse that made the Newsweek piece credible in the first place. A simple question: after U.S. interrogators have tortured over two dozen detainees to death, after they have wrapped one in an Israeli flag, after they have smeared naked detainees with fake menstrual blood, after they have told one detainee to "*beep* Allah," after they have ordered detainees to pray to Allah in order to kick them from behind in the head, is it completely beyond credibility that they would also have desecrated the Koran? Yes, Newsweek bears complete responsibility for any errors it has made; and, depending on what we now find, should not be let off the hook. But the outrage from the White House is beyond belief. It seems to me particularly worrying if this incident further intimidates the press from seeking the truth about what the government is doing in the war on terror. It is not being "basically, on the side of the enemy," as Glenn Reynolds calls it, to resist the notion of government-sanctioned torture and to report on it. It is patriotism and serving the cause that this war is about: religious pluralism and tolerance. The media's Abu Ghraib?? When Mike Isikoff is found guilty of committing murder, give me a call. Austin Bay still insists that Abu Ghraib did not constitute "deadly torture." The corpses found there (photographed by grinning U.S. soldiers) would probably disagree. (Will Bay correct?) Three factors interacted here: media error/bias, Islamist paranoia, and a past and possibly current policy of religiously-intolerant torture. No one comes out looking good. But it seems to me unquestionable that the documented abuse of religion in interrogation practices is by far the biggest scandal. Too bad the blogosphere is too media-obsessed and self-congratulatory to notice.
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rok_the-boat
Joined: 24 Jan 2004
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Posted: Mon May 16, 2005 10:39 pm Post subject: |
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Here's more:
http://dailykos.com/story/2005/5/15/211444/985
The plot thickens ...
It would be quite something if the media too a second about turn on this ... methinks it could happen. |
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Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee
Joined: 25 May 2003
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Posted: Tue May 17, 2005 12:57 am Post subject: |
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Of course the US should be better than that but the overseas protesters at least the ones that support Bin Laden are hypocrites
Anyone remember this?
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Kuros
Joined: 27 Apr 2004
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Posted: Tue May 17, 2005 3:47 am Post subject: |
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Absolutely ridiculous! How is Newsweek responsible for those deaths? They print a report and some people murder others. Do we think for one second that the report is the cause of the murders, or the murderers' unrestrained rage is the cause? |
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