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Is Korea a "friendly" fascist society ??? |
Hmmm ... that's actually a pretty good way of putting it. |
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Korea is NOT fascist |
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Korea is not friendly |
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igotthisguitar

Joined: 08 Apr 2003 Location: South Korea (Permanent Vacation)
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Posted: Thu Jun 30, 2005 4:46 am Post subject: Korea: a "Friendly" Fascist Society ??? |
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>. I've been trying for some time now to capture the essence of this perplexing pennisula & have yet to really put my finger on it. What i've best been able to conclude is that Korea is essentially a "friendly" fascist nation.
What do you think ??? Agree ??? Disagree ??? Any other spins or suggestions ???
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Ya-ta Boy
Joined: 16 Jan 2003 Location: Established in 1994
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Posted: Thu Jun 30, 2005 4:53 am Post subject: |
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Any other spins or suggestions ??? |
I would suggest you get out and try to enjoy life a little more. |
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captain kirk
Joined: 29 Jan 2003
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Posted: Thu Jun 30, 2005 8:50 am Post subject: |
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Ya, man, it's all in your mind. Like the matrix. Fake it 'til you make it (happiness). Whoever's giving you the tractor beam of derision is all in your mind, but not under your skin. Be shallow about your happiness!
You are in the driver's seat!
The only thing worse than a fool is an uptight fool!
Like, 'OMG what's wrong with Korean people and how they react to foreigners!'.
Do your own thing and don't let anyone you don't know or respect spoil your party. Even if that means the majority of Korea's people (I'm totally joking), hahahaha.
I realize the temptation to be an international sociologist is great. But not if that means being an international misanthropist. How are you gonna get invited to any parties? |
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igotthisguitar

Joined: 08 Apr 2003 Location: South Korea (Permanent Vacation)
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Posted: Sat Jul 02, 2005 5:54 am Post subject: |
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The 14 Defining Characteristics Of Fascism
by Dr. Lawrence Britt
Dr. Lawrence Britt has examined the fascist regimes of Hitler (Germany), Mussolini (Italy), Franco (Spain), Suharto (Indonesia) and several Latin American regimes. Britt found 14-defining characteristics common to each:
1. Powerful and Continuing Nationalism - Fascist regimes tend to make constant use of patriotic mottos, slogans, symbols, songs, and other paraphernalia. Flags are seen everywhere, as are flag symbols on clothing and in public displays.
2. Disdain for the Recognition of Human Rights - Because of fear of enemies and the need for security, the people in fascist regimes are persuaded that human rights can be ignored in certain cases because of "need." The people tend to look the other way or even approve of torture, summary executions, assassinations, long incarcerations of prisoners, etc.
3. Identification of Enemies/Scapegoats as a Unifying Cause - The people are rallied into a unifying patriotic frenzy over the need to eliminate a perceived common threat or foe: racial , ethnic or religious minorities; liberals; communists; socialists, terrorists, etc.
4. Supremacy of the Military - Even when there are widespread domestic problems, the military is given a disproportionate amount of government funding, and the domestic agenda is neglected. Soldiers and military service are glamorized.
5. Rampant Sexism - The governments of fascist nations tend to be almost exclusively male-dominated. Under fascist regimes, traditional gender roles are made more rigid. Divorce, abortion and homosexuality are suppressed and the state is represented as the ultimate guardian of the family institution.
6. Controlled Mass Media - Sometimes to media is directly controlled by the government, but in other cases, the media is indirectly controlled by government regulation, or sympathetic media spokespeople and executives. Censorship, especially in war time, is very common.
7. Obsession with National Security - Fear is used as a motivational tool by the government over the masses.
8. Religion and Government are Intertwined - Governments in fascist nations tend to use the most common religion in the nation as a tool to manipulate public opinion. Religious rhetoric and terminology is common from government leaders, even when the major tenets of the religion are diametrically opposed to the government's policies or actions.
9. Corporate Power is Protected - The industrial and business aristocracy of a fascist nation often are the ones who put the government leaders into power, creating a mutually beneficial business/government relationship and power elite.
10. Labor Power is Suppressed - Because the organizing power of labor is the only real threat to a fascist government, labor unions are either eliminated entirely, or are severely suppressed.
11. Disdain for Intellectuals and the Arts - Fascist nations tend to promote and tolerate open hostility to higher education, and academia. It is not uncommon for professors and other academics to be censored or even arrested. Free expression in the arts and letters is openly attacked.
12. Obsession with Crime and Punishment - Under fascist regimes, the police are given almost limitless power to enforce laws. The people are often willing to overlook police abuses and even forego civil liberties in the name of patriotism. There is often a national police force with virtually unlimited power in fascist nations.
13. Rampant Cronyism and Corruption - Fascist regimes almost always are governed by groups of friends and associates who appoint each other to government positions and use governmental power and authority to protect their friends from accountability. It is not uncommon in fascist regimes for national resources and even treasures to be appropriated or even outright stolen by government leaders.
14. Fraudulent Elections - Sometimes elections in fascist nations are a complete sham. Other times elections are manipulated by smear campaigns against or even assassination of opposition candidates, use of legislation to control voting numbers or political district boundaries, and manipulation of the media. Fascist nations also typically use their judiciaries to manipulate or control elections.
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An interesting note to end this article: As of January 2004, the United States fulfills all fourteen points of fascism and all seven warning signs are present. But we're not alone. Israel also fulfills all fourteen points and all seven warning signs as well. Welcome to the new republic, redefined, revised and spun. It is not too late to reverse this in either country, but it will be soon. The first step is realizing it. The second step is getting involved. As the propaganda slogan disguising our current war goes, "Freedom isn't free." But our war for freedom isn't abroad; it's here at home. |
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captain kirk
Joined: 29 Jan 2003
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Posted: Sat Jul 02, 2005 6:04 am Post subject: |
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Jane Fonda is a politcally active and 67 now. BBC TV Hardtalk had her on last night. She said that 'the U.S. is in very bad shape inside'. That the 'news' is a mouthpiece for the administration. She'd like to see the U.S. loosen up. |
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Deconstructor

Joined: 30 Dec 2003 Location: Canada
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Posted: Sat Jul 02, 2005 8:46 am Post subject: |
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The day FOX news arrived; I knew fascism had also arrived. |
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Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee

Joined: 25 May 2003
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Posted: Sun Jul 03, 2005 2:46 pm Post subject: |
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igotthisguitar wrote: |
The 14 Defining Characteristics Of Fascism
by Dr. Lawrence Britt
[b] Dr. Lawrence Britt[/b] has examined the fascist regimes of Hitler (Germany), Mussolini (Italy), Franco (Spain), Suharto (Indonesia) and several Latin American regimes. Britt found 14-defining characteristics common to each:
1. Powerful and Continuing Nationalism - Fascist regimes tend to make [size=14]constant use of patriotic mottos, slogans, symbols, songs, and other paraphernalia. Flags are seen everywhere, as are flag symbols on clothing and in public displays.
2. Disdain for the Recognition of Human Rights - Because of fear of enemies and the need for security, the people in fascist regimes are persuaded that human rights can be ignored in certain cases because of "need." The people tend to look the other way or even approve of torture, summary executions, assassinations, long incarcerations of prisoners, etc.
3. Identification of Enemies/Scapegoats as a Unifying Cause - The people are rallied into a unifying patriotic frenzy over the need to eliminate a perceived common threat or foe: racial , ethnic or religious minorities; liberals; communists; socialists, terrorists, etc.
4. Supremacy of the Military - Even when there are widespread domestic problems, the military is given a disproportionate amount of government funding, and the domestic agenda is neglected. Soldiers and military service are glamorized.
5. Rampant Sexism - The governments of fascist nations tend to be almost exclusively male-dominated. Under fascist regimes, traditional gender roles are made more rigid. Divorce, abortion and homosexuality are suppressed and the state is represented as the ultimate guardian of the family institution.
6. Controlled Mass Media - Sometimes to media is directly controlled by the government, but in other cases, the media is indirectly controlled by government regulation, or sympathetic media spokespeople and executives. Censorship, especially in war time, is very common.
7. Obsession with National Security - Fear is used as a motivational tool by the government over the masses.
8. Religion and Government are Intertwined - Governments in fascist nations tend to use the most common religion in the nation as a tool to manipulate public opinion. Religious rhetoric and terminology is common from government leaders, even when the major tenets of the religion are diametrically opposed to the government's policies or actions.
9. Corporate Power is Protected - The industrial and business aristocracy of a fascist nation often are the ones who put the government leaders into power, creating a mutually beneficial business/government relationship and power elite.
10. Labor Power is Suppressed - Because the organizing power of labor is the only real threat to a fascist government, labor unions are either eliminated entirely, or are severely suppressed.
11. Disdain for Intellectuals and the Arts - Fascist nations tend to promote and tolerate open hostility to higher education, and academia. It is not uncommon for professors and other academics to be censored or even arrested. Free expression in the arts and letters is openly attacked.
12. Obsession with Crime and Punishment - Under fascist regimes, the police are given almost limitless power to enforce laws. The people are often willing to overlook police abuses and even forego civil liberties in the name of patriotism. There is often a national police force with virtually unlimited power in fascist nations.
13. Rampant Cronyism and Corruption - Fascist regimes almost always are governed by groups of friends and associates who appoint each other to government positions and use governmental power and authority to protect their friends from accountability. It is not uncommon in fascist regimes for national resources and even treasures to be appropriated or even outright stolen by government leaders.
14. Fraudulent Elections - Sometimes elections in fascist nations are a complete sham. Other times elections are manipulated by smear campaigns against or even assassination of opposition candidates, use of legislation to control voting numbers or political district boundaries, and manipulation of the media. Fascist nations also typically use their judiciaries to manipulate or control elections.
________________________________
An interesting note to end this article: As of January 2004, the United States fulfills all fourteen points of fascism and all seven warning signs are present. But we're not alone. Israel also fulfills all fourteen points and all seven warning signs as well. Welcome to the new republic, redefined, revised and spun. It is not too late to reverse this in either country, but it will be soon. The first step is realizing it. The second step is getting involved. As the propaganda slogan disguising our current war goes, "Freedom isn't free." But our war for freedom isn't abroad; it's here at home [/size] . |
actually it applies much more to the enemies of the US than the US.
Would your description not apply to Iran or North Korea , Saddam's Iraq before it would apply to the US?
The US is one of the most free and tolerant nations in the world. It has one of the better human rights records in the world even with Gitmo.
But Jeff Rense is a fascist bigot just like his supporters. So is Lydon Larouche.
Bathism , Khomenism , Bin Ladenism truely are fascist movements
North Korea
Hezzbollah
Iran
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Sadddam's Iraq
Hamas
Islamic Jihad
Jeff Rense

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Harpeau
Joined: 01 Feb 2003 Location: Coquitlam, BC
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Posted: Sun Jul 03, 2005 4:43 pm Post subject: Re: Korea: a "Friendly" Fascist Society ??? |
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igotthisguitar wrote: |
Any other spins or suggestions ??? |
Have you ever considered that maybe your taking your own inner turmoil and externalizing it? Something to consider. But then again, you might also be right.  |
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desultude

Joined: 15 Jan 2003 Location: Dangling my toes in the Persian Gulf
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Posted: Sun Jul 03, 2005 6:08 pm Post subject: |
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Deconstructor wrote: |
The day FOX news arrived; I knew fascism had also arrived. |
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Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee

Joined: 25 May 2003
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Posted: Sun Jul 03, 2005 7:38 pm Post subject: |
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The only thing that Fox ought to do is label more of its reporting as commentary. Fox's view points are no more right wing than the view points expressed by the Guardian are left wing. |
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billybrobby

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Posted: Sun Jul 03, 2005 8:16 pm Post subject: |
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i heard 'Dr.' Lawrence Britt doesn't really have a Ph.D. |
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ChimpumCallao

Joined: 17 May 2005 Location: your mom
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Posted: Sun Jul 03, 2005 11:29 pm Post subject: |
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captain kirk wrote: |
Jane Fonda is a politcally active and 67 now. BBC TV Hardtalk had her on last night. She said that 'the U.S. is in very bad shape inside'. That the 'news' is a mouthpiece for the administration. She'd like to see the U.S. loosen up. |
Who the hell cares what Jane Fonda says? She's a hypocritical moron trying to undermine the same system that made her a millionaire. Did she *give* away all those work out tapes? That's capitalism baby!
I personally vehemently abhor celebrity douchebags who think that because they are famous they can act as political leaders, economists, or anyone else who has a clue about what the hell is going on. Just like that dork Sean Penn, going to Iran. To do what? Do these people actually take themselves seriously? Do they not see the blazing hypocrisy of their actions? It's even worse when normal people buy into what Bono or some famous high school drop out has to say. |
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captain kirk
Joined: 29 Jan 2003
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Posted: Mon Jul 04, 2005 12:08 am Post subject: |
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I was impressed by her because she's always been politically active, since the Vietnam War. You could see her as a left wing whiner or hyprocrite, sure. She told a story about being in North Vietnam for two weeks. For a moment she was standing beside an anti-aircraft gun and someone took her picture. This was blown up, tilted, so she became known as 'Hanoi Jane'. A kind of traitor pictured beside a gun used to drop American aircraft, smiling away.
The Jane Fonda workout tape was the first tape anyone bought. Being an exercise tape it's meant to be watched while you exercise, and repeatedly. VCR players were very expensive, then, being new, so it was the first tape anyone bought. She was surprised and the market began from there; buying VCR tapes to own in a personal video library. She used to proceeds to work on political activism, she says.
I've read Noam Chomsky and the U.S. is a very controlled society because it has so much, and so much to lose. It's sugar coated, the control, however. I'm Canadian and it's pretty much the same up there north of the border. I'm impressed with her idealism, humanism, liberalism, energy, persistence. She is an inspiring, alive, go-getter, even at 67. Lot of plastic surgery it looks like. Tucks, taut face, like 'face into the wind'. She's getting a new hip next week. |
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rapier
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Posted: Mon Jul 04, 2005 5:06 am Post subject: |
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Korea is a friendly fascist racist sexist inward-looking small minded society.
On racism..I was chatting to a korean the other day..she said she expected America to be a great equal non-racist society, where everyone mingled freely without racial prejudice. She was surprised to find that white miguks, black miguks, hispanic miguks and asian miguks all stayed in their own separate groups constantly.
I guess its hard for us to expect them to behave in a non racist way when there is plenty of it in our own supposedly enlightened western countries.
The difference, i told her, is that westerners believe in racial equality- they just don't always practise it. in korea racism is openly condoned as correct.
Its lots of fun being ignorant and narrow minded.
I'm starting to understand more of what Koreans talk about around me. Its not entirely pleasant stuff- If I hear the words "Miguk/wehguk/ pabo/ minguk" in the same sentence now its enough to make me see red. I got a bit upset with someone in the bar yesterday and nearly lost it with some schoolkids on the bus today. What are they filling these kids heads with exactly???? |
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igotthisguitar

Joined: 08 Apr 2003 Location: South Korea (Permanent Vacation)
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Posted: Sun Jul 24, 2005 12:46 am Post subject: |
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rapier wrote: |
Korea is a friendly fascist racist sexist inward-looking small minded society. |
As accurate as this likely is, and as much as i feel frustrated & pissed off from time to time, when all is said & done i can't really blame them. My belief is that these are largely outward symptoms of their inner tribal survival instinct.
China is a pretty big neighbour ( & has been for some time ). Japan has also beat up on them pretty badly & lorded over Koreans for some time. Then there's the 1950-53 bloodletting & the influence the west has had in more recent times.
At the root Koreans' head strong & bigoted tendencies likely have a lot to do with what the Quebecois refer to as the "La Survivance". |
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