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July 1st: Proud to be Canadian?
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Captain Corea



Joined: 28 Feb 2005
Location: Seoul

PostPosted: Thu Jun 30, 2005 6:17 pm    Post subject: July 1st: Proud to be Canadian? Reply with quote

Well, I know that there are a lot of Canadians on this board. And I also know that occasionally the US vs CDN thing gets kind of funny. But since I've been living over seas I've been exploring (a little) my thoughts on being Canadian.

Usually, Canadians that I know, are proud of things that make us different than Americans. For some reason we're hell bent on showing the world that "we're not them."

Seing the insecurities in Korean national pride, I've now been able to see it in our own (well, at least some of it).

Anyways, here is my blog entry for today...

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July 1st is Canada Day

Alright, so my last post was about the semi-dillusional state of Canadian pride. And seeing as today is the official day to celebrate it I thought I'd add my two cents into the mix.

For most people (especially N Americans) being a citizen of a country is less about choice and more about simple luck. Because of the randomness of the universal atomic structure our little bodies were well enough constructed, in the right time and the right place, so as to allow us to be born in an affluent part of the world.

So, with factoring in all the randomness, what is there to be proud of?

Canada has a great abundance of natual beauty. Amazing mountain ranges, massive lakes, prairies as far as the eye can see, it simply is wondrous. But I know I didn't make any of it, so I'm not so sure I can be proud of it.

Canada also has a reputation as a "conversational peacemaker" in the world. Although it killed its fair share of indigenous people, Canada is thought of as a nation that talks first, then talks some more, then maybe acts. As a result of that very few nations/people HATE Canada. But the thing is... I wasn't around for most of it. I didn't settle arguments with the English and the French. I didn't participate in any wars/conflicts of righteousness. I haven't even given any of the original people back their land (truth be told I've kicked my share of "natives" off of land). So again, I'm not sure what to be proud of.

Canada is renown as well for its social structures. "Free" Medical care (actually about $35 a month), free schooling, no toll-booths on roads. Canada is a Mecca of socialism. BUT where I am from (Alberta), I helped to vote in a Premier who has done his best to minimize a lot of those programs. So here I have something that my tax dollars have paid for and I can actually be proud of but, if the truth be told, I probably would have done away with (some of) it if given the chance.

Canada, or so I was told, was the second largest country in the world (behind Russia). However, since I have been roaming around the world I've found that most stats rank it at third. Shoot, I can't even be proud of the size (not that I had anything to do with that either).

So, what can I be proud of? Well, as you see I'm not really one to take credit for someone else's accomplishments so I guess I'll have to focus on my own;

I'm proud that when people hear I am Canadian they automatically think I'm nice. I'm nicer because of it.

I'm proud that I have (been taught to?) taken a neutral stance on many world issues and am willing to discuss so many subjects with so many people around the word. Rarely closing my thoughts off to anyone.

I'm proud that I have chosen my beliefs and faith from many options aound me.

I'm proud that I can eventually take my wife (and children) to Canada and I can help then enjoy a level of freedom of choice they might not have in other parts of the world.

The truth is I am proud of who I am. Being born and raised in Canada has helped me become something I might not of had I been born somewhere else.

It's that simple.


Thoughts?
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stumptown



Joined: 11 Apr 2005
Location: Paju: Wife beating capital of Korea

PostPosted: Thu Jun 30, 2005 8:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

That was hilarious!!! Thanks.
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Free World



Joined: 01 Apr 2005
Location: Drake Hotel

PostPosted: Thu Jun 30, 2005 8:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

That was a good read, thanks.
Just currious about one thing.
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Canada, or so I was told, was the second largest country in the world (behind Russia). However, since I have been roaming around the world I've found that most stats rank it at third.
Other than Russia, who is ranked larger? Denmark?
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Grotto



Joined: 21 Mar 2004

PostPosted: Thu Jun 30, 2005 8:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The Arrogant Worms

Proud to be Canadian


Our fair country, Canada, is north of USA.
Our Maritimes are lovely and our prairies give us hay.
Oh, you might think you Yankees are better than us Canucks.
Well, we don't need no microchips inside our hockey pucks.

We know that you've got Disney World,
and you keep it very clean.
Well we don't have Bob Dole,
but we can drink when we're nineteen.
We may watch your TV shows for hours and hours and hours.
We'll give you Alan Thicke, but Shania Twain is ours.

Chorus:
We're proud to be Canadian.
We're awfully nice to strangers, our manners be our curse.
It's cool in many ways to be Canadian.
We won't say that we're better, it's just that we're less worse.

Your beer's not too tasty and your weather can't be beat.
We all fly south in the winter time to escape the snow and sleet.
We're pleased to say that we've enjoyed all your southern charms.
But we get sunburnt when we exercise the right to bare our arms.

(Chorus)

Alanis Morrisette she is our latest pride and joy.(ohh)
She used to sing about high school dances and chasing after boys.(yeah)
But now she is fed up(fed up) and about as angry as can be.
She's got one hand in her pocket, and the other's on guard for thee.

We're proud to be Canadian.(Proud to be Canadian)
We're awfully nice to strangers, our manners be our curse.(we're just to darn nice)
It's cool in many ways to be Canadian.(it's cool cause its cold up here)
We won't say that we're better, it's just that we're less worse.

We're proud to be Canadian.(proud to be Canadian)
We're awfully nice to strangers, our manners be our curse.(Can I get the door for you ma'am?)
It's cool in many ways to be Canadian.(it's cool cause it's cold up here)
We won't say that we're better, it's just that we're less worse.

Beers are not enough


Canada's Really Big

(spoken)
thank you very much
now we're very, uh, we're very patriotic canadians
and we'd like to take this moment to,
uh, to do our national anthem, that we wrote

When i look around me, i can't believe what i see
it seems as if this country has lost its will to live
the economy is lousy, we barely have an army
but we can still stand proudly because canada's really big
we're the second largest country on this planet earth
and if Russia keeps on shrinking, then soon we'll be first!
(as long as we keep quebec)

The USA has tanks, and switzerland has banks
they can keep them thanks, they just don't amount
cause when you get down to it, you find out what the truth is,
it isn't what you do with it, it's the size that counts
most people will tell you that france is pretty large
but you can put fourteen frances into this land of ours!
(it'd take a lot of work, it'd take a whole lot of work)

we're larger than malaysia, almost as big as asia
we're bigger than australia and it's a continent
so big we seldom bother to go see one another
but we often go to other countries for vacations
our mountains are very pointy, our prairies are not
the rest is kinda bumpy, but man do we have a lot!
(we've got a lot of land, we've got a whole lot of land)

so stand up and be proud and sing it very loud
we stand out from the crowd, cause Canada's really big
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winnie



Joined: 08 May 2005
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 30, 2005 8:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

hell ya, I am proud to be Canadian.........


Happy Canada Day!

Very Happy
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peppermint



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PostPosted: Thu Jun 30, 2005 9:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

grateful for being born there, but not proud.
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SarcasmKills



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PostPosted: Thu Jun 30, 2005 9:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Grateful, proud, the whole sha-bang...
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red dog



Joined: 31 Oct 2004

PostPosted: Thu Jun 30, 2005 9:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I agree with this part, but not the rest:

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For most people (especially N Americans) being a citizen of a country is less about choice and more about simple luck. Because of the randomness of the universal atomic structure our little bodies were well enough constructed, in the right time and the right place, so as to allow us to be born in an affluent part of the world.
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kermo



Joined: 01 Sep 2004
Location: Eating eggs, with a comb, out of a shoe.

PostPosted: Thu Jun 30, 2005 10:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think China is a bit bigger, by some counts.

Some of Canada's greatest weaknesses are also its greatest strengths, and vice versa.

Canada's neurotic inferiority complex is linked to a pleasant humility, and the knowledge that although we do some things well, there's a lot we should do a lot better. The Australians and Americans I've spoken to seem to feel that patriotism means "Our way = the best way." (They don't necessarily support this, but they reflect on it.)

Canada's limp-wristed international role, PC hand-wringing and our reluctance to support any one culture or cause over another are part of the earnest tolerance we extend to the multitude of ethnicities within our borders.

Canada's hopelessly vague national character is a byproduct of the inclusiveness and all-embracing attitudes of its citizens.

I love Canada in all its frigid, liberal, soft-spoken glory.
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Grotto



Joined: 21 Mar 2004

PostPosted: Thu Jun 30, 2005 10:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Canada is the second largest country in the world and anyone who doesnt know it is babo.
Russia: is largest: Area:
total: 17,075,200 sq km
land: 16,995,800 sq km
water: 79,400 sq km

Canada: Area:
total: 9,984,670 sq km
land: 9,093,507 sq km
water: 891,163 sq km

USA: Area:
total: 9,631,418 sq km
land: 9,161,923 sq km
water: 469,495 sq km

China: total: 9,596,960 sq km
land: 9,326,410 sq km
water: 270,550 sq km

I guess you could argue that if you didnt include all the lakes and rivers Canada would not be second.
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ThePoet



Joined: 15 May 2004
Location: No longer in Korea - just lurking here

PostPosted: Thu Jun 30, 2005 11:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I gave all my students "Canada Flag" lapel pins today and I gave out a bunch of tattoos too. They all seemed to like the gift. Tonight, I'll BBQ a steak and have a bottle of beer -- eh.

Poet
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zappadelta



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PostPosted: Thu Jun 30, 2005 11:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I am very proud to not be Canadian.
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the_beaver



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PostPosted: Thu Jun 30, 2005 11:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nationalism is stupid.
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thepeel



Joined: 08 Aug 2004

PostPosted: Fri Jul 01, 2005 12:15 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

the_beaver wrote:
Nationalism is stupid.


Agreed. Nationalism is the opiate of the really dumb.

Someone please explain to me how one can be proud of the place where you happen to have been born. Isn't this a bit arbitrary?

A couple quotes come to mind,

My mother drunk or sober, my country right or wrong.

(the next one is from a T-shirt I once owned)

The athletic team from my general geographic area is better than the athletic team from your general geographic area.

I don't understand what this means, "I am proud to be Canadian". It is so irrational.
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The Lemon



Joined: 11 Jan 2003

PostPosted: Fri Jul 01, 2005 12:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

BJWD wrote:
the_beaver wrote:
Nationalism is stupid.


Agreed. Nationalism is the opiate of the really dumb.


It's in a tight race with sports. That whole section of the newspaper is just a void. I'd rather read the phone book.

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Someone please explain to me how one can be proud of the place where you happen to have been born. Isn't this a bit arbitrary?


Even dumber when the person claiming the pride has never left the country:

"Canada is the best country in the world!"
"USA Numba One!!"

- Have these people visited Sweden just to make sure? Who knows, maybe they'd find Singapore the bomb.

Again, I blame the sports-fan mentality, rooting for the home team without putting any actual thought into it.

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The athletic team from my general geographic area is better than the athletic team from your general geographic area.


Exactly.
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