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Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee
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 Posted: Sat Jul 09, 2005 11:46 pm Post subject: And this is why they did it |
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July 08, 2005
And this is why they did it
Amir Taheri
There is no way to reason with the terrorists, but the thinking behind their actions is perfectly clear
THE FIRST QUESTION that comes to mind is: what took them so long? The answer may be that in the past four years the British authorities have succeeded in preventing attacks on a number of occasions. David Blunkett, who was then Home Secretary, was often mocked for suggesting that this was the case.
It may take some time before the full identity of the attackers is established. But the ideology that motivates them, the networks that sustain them and the groups that finance them are all too well known.
Moments after yesterday��s attacks my telephone was buzzing with requests for interviews with one recurring question: but what do they want? That reminded me of Theo van Gogh, the Dutch film-maker, who was shot by an Islamist assassin on his way to work in Amsterdam last November. According to witnesses, Van Gogh begged for mercy and tried to reason with his assailant. ��Surely we can discuss this,�� he kept saying as the shots kept coming. ��Let us talk it over.��
Van Gogh, who had angered Islamists with his documentary about the mistreatment of women in Islam, was reacting like BBC reporters did yesterday, assuming that the man who was killing him may have some reasonable demands which could be discussed in a calm, democratic atmosphere.
But sorry, old chaps, you are dealing with an enemy that does not want anything specific, and cannot be talked back into reason through anger management or round-table discussions. Or, rather, this enemy does want something specific: to take full control of your lives, dictate every single move you make round the clock and, if you dare resist, he will feel it his divine duty to kill you.
The ideological soil in which alQaeda, and the many groups using its brand name, grow was described by one of its original masterminds, the Pakistani Abul-Ala al-Maudoodi more than 40 years ago. It goes something like this: when God created mankind He made all their bodily needs and movements subject to inescapable biological rules but decided to leave their spiritual, social and political needs and movements largely subject to their will. Soon, however, it became clear that Man cannot run his affairs the way God wants. So God started sending prophets to warn man and try to goad him on to the right path. A total of 128,000 prophets were sent, including Moses and Jesus. They all failed. Finally, God sent Muhammad as the last of His prophets and the bearer of His ultimate message, Islam. With the advent of Islam all previous religions were ��abrogated�� (mansukh), and their followers regarded as ��infidel�� (kuffar). The aim of all good Muslims, therefore, is to convert humanity to Islam, which regulates Man��s spiritual, economic, political and social moves to the last detail.
But what if non-Muslims refuse to take the right path? Here answers diverge. Some believe that the answer is dialogue and argument until followers of the ��abrogated faiths�� recognise their error and agree to be saved by converting to Islam. This is the view of most of the imams preaching in the mosques in the West. But others, including Osama bin Laden, a disciple of al-Maudoodi, believe that the Western-dominated world is too mired in corruption to hear any argument, and must be shocked into conversion through spectacular ghazavat (raids) of the kind we saw in New York and Washington in 2001, in Madrid last year, and now in London.
That yesterday��s attack was intended as a ghazava was confirmed in a statement by the Secret Organisation Group of al-Qaeda of Jihad Organisation in Europe, an Islamist group that claimed responsibility for yesterday��s atrocity. It said ��We have fulfilled our promise and carried out our blessed military raid (ghazava) in Britain after our mujahideen exerted strenuous efforts over a long period of time to ensure the success of the raid.�� Those who carry out these missions are the ghazis, the highest of all Islamic distinctions just below that of the shahid or martyr. A ghazi who also becomes a shahid will be doubly meritorious.
There are many Muslims who believe that the idea that all other faiths have been ��abrogated�� and that the whole of mankind should be united under the banner of Islam must be dropped as a dangerous anachronism. But to the Islamist those Muslims who think like that are themselves regarded as lapsed, and deserving of death.
It is, of course, possible, as many in the West love to do, to ignore the strategic goal of the Islamists altogether and focus only on their tactical goals. These goals are well known and include driving the ��Cross-worshippers�� (Christian powers) out of the Muslim world, wiping Israel off the map of the Middle East, and replacing the governments of all Muslim countries with truly Islamic regimes like the one created by Ayatollah Khomeini in Iran and by the Taleban in Afghanistan.
How to achieve those objectives has been the subject of much debate in Islamist circles throughout the world, including in London, since 9/11. Bin Laden has consistently argued in favour of further ghazavat inside the West. He firmly believes that the West is too cowardly to fight back and, if terrorised in a big way, will do ��what it must do��. That view was strengthened last year when al-Qaeda changed the Spanish Government with its deadly attack in Madrid. At the time bin Laden used his ��Madrid victory�� to call on other European countries to distance themselves from the United States or face similar ��punishment��.
Bin Laden��s view has been challenged by his supposed No 2, Ayman al-Zawahiri, who insists that the Islamists should first win the war inside several vulnerable Muslim countries, notably Afghanistan, Pakistan, Saudi Arabia and Iraq. Until yesterday it seemed that al-Zawahiri was winning the argument, especially by heating things up in Afghanistan and Iraq. Yesterday, the bin Laden doctrine struck back in London.
The author is an Iranian commentator on Middle Eastern affairs.
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,1072-1684970,00.html |
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Gopher
Joined: 04 Jun 2005
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| Posted: Sun Jul 10, 2005 12:16 am Post subject: |
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Hey Joo: enjoy your posts.
Can you please summarize the point from now on, when you place these articles? It'd be helpful. Thanks. |
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Alias
Joined: 24 Jan 2003
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| That yesterday��s attack was intended as a ghazava was confirmed in a statement by the Secret Organisation Group of al-Qaeda of Jihad Organisation in Europe, an Islamist group that claimed responsibility for yesterday��s atrocity. |
....and they specifically named the Iraq War and those countries which still maintain forces there. |
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igotthisguitar
Joined: 08 Apr 2003
Location: South Korea (Permanent Vacation)
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| Posted: Sun Jul 10, 2005 1:54 am Post subject: |
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London Underground Bombing 'Exercises'
Took Place at Same Time as Real Attack 
Culpability cover scenario echoes 9/11 wargames
Paul Joseph Watson & Alex Jones/Prison Planet | July 9 2005
A consultancy agency with government and police connections was running an exercise for an unnamed company that revolved around the London Underground being bombed at the exact same times and locations as happened in real life on the morning of July 7th.
On a BBC Radio 5 interview that aired on the evening of the 7th, the host interviewed Peter Power, Managing Director of Visor Consultants, which bills itself as a 'crisis management' advice company, better known to you and I as a PR firm.
Peter Power was a former Scotland Yard official, working at one time with the Anti Terrorist Branch.
Power told the host that at the exact same time that the London bombings were taking place, his company was running a 1,000 person strong exercise which drilled the London Underground being bombed at the exact same locations, at the exact same times, as happened in real life.
The transcript is as follows.
http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/july2005/090705bombingexercises.htm
Click here for a clip of this dialogue
http://www.prisonplanet.com/audio/090705exercise_clip_2.mp3 |
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Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee
Joined: 25 May 2003
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| Posted: Sun Jul 10, 2005 3:52 am Post subject: |
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| You have any links from the BBC? Why ought I believe what Prison planet has to say? |
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Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee
Joined: 25 May 2003
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| Posted: Sun Jul 10, 2005 3:55 am Post subject: |
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| Alias wrote: |
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| That yesterday��s attack was intended as a ghazava was confirmed in a statement by the Secret Organisation Group of al-Qaeda of Jihad Organisation in Europe, an Islamist group that claimed responsibility for yesterday��s atrocity. |
....and they specifically named the Iraq War and those countries which still maintain forces there. |
they also wanted for the British to get out of Afghanistan.
Why did Al Qaida do the Bali bombing?
Besides would it not be useful to try to get England to give in right away. Why would it be in AQ interest to announce all their goals at once. Germany during WW II only say that they wanted to unite the German peoples? |
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igotthisguitar
Joined: 08 Apr 2003
Location: South Korea (Permanent Vacation)
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| Posted: Sun Jul 10, 2005 3:57 am Post subject: |
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>. The MP3 audio link btw IS BBC ... believe whatever you like ...
"There ought to be limits to freedom."
-- G.W. Bush
"The process of transformation, even if it brings revolutionary change, is likely to be a long one, absent some catastrophic and catalyzing event -- like a new Pearl Harbor" (2000) Project for a New American Century
"We are on the verge of a global transformation. All we need is the right major crisis and the nations will accept the New World Order." David Rockefeller
"Terrorism is the best political weapon for nothing drives people harder than a fear of sudden death."
Adolf Hitler |
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Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee
Joined: 25 May 2003
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| Posted: Sun Jul 10, 2005 4:01 am Post subject: |
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"Terrorism is the best political weapon for nothing drives people harder than a fear of sudden death."
Adolf Hitler |
I am sure Jeff Rense likes the Hitler quotes. |
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mithridates
Joined: 03 Mar 2003
Location: President's office, Korean Space Agency
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| Posted: Sun Jul 10, 2005 4:59 am Post subject: |
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Do you have a link to the BBC? --> Yes, here's the link to BBC. --> Something about Hitler.
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igotthisguitar
Joined: 08 Apr 2003
Location: South Korea (Permanent Vacation)
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| Posted: Sun Jul 10, 2005 5:07 am Post subject: |
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Do you have a link to the BBC? --> Yes, here's the link to BBC. --> Something about Hitler.
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Can anyone say O-B-S-FU-C-A_T-I_O-N ??? 
On a BBC Radio 5 interview that aired on the evening of the 7th, the host interviewed Peter Power, Managing Director of Visor Consultants, which bills itself as a 'crisis management' advice company, better known to you and I as a PR firm.
Once again JOO a BBC clip of this dialogue
http://www.prisonplanet.com/audio/090705exercise_clip_2.mp3
Oh yes, the Prison Planet article is also WELL worth reading. |
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Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee
Joined: 25 May 2003
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| Posted: Sun Jul 10, 2005 5:11 am Post subject: |
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That company's job is to come up with crisis scenarios. So they did one where the most prominet subway stations in London were hit.
why didn't they include the Bus? |
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Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee
Joined: 25 May 2003
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| Posted: Sun Jul 17, 2005 2:56 am Post subject: |
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THIS IS WHY THEY DID IT.
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Both men, eloquent, better educated and better off than most in their community, are also among the more politically motivated. They have embraced one of the more conservative, if not militant, Islamic movements in Britain today - Hizb ut-Tahrir, or Party of Liberation.
The party's stated goal is to rebuild the Caliphate - the Muslim state dissolved with the fall of the Ottoman Empire - to displace corrupt dictators in the Muslim world, and to instill Islamic mores and Islamicize almost every aspect of daily life.
The group has drawn about 10,000 members to its recent annual meetings, its members say, and includes chapters abroad in places like Uzbekistan. It is a controversial movement, even among British Muslims, and its members have become emblematic of the shift of Muslims born in Britain to more conservative and outspoken expressions of their faith. |
http://www.nytimes.com/2005/07/16/international/europe/16muslims.html?hp&ex=1121572800&en=7b1f44fe6658c193&ei=5094&partner=homepage
AS I SAID BEFORE THE LEFT DOESN'T UNDERSTAND WHY AL QAIDA FIGHTS. |
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guangho
Joined: 19 Jan 2005
Location: a spot full of deception, stupidity, and public micturation and thus unfit for longterm residency
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The Caliphate has been dissolved.
The Ottoman Empire is dead.
Time to move on. |
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Ya-ta Boy
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
Location: Established in 1994
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| Posted: Sun Jul 17, 2005 5:06 am Post subject: |
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"There ought to be limits to freedom."
-- G.W. Bush
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Context please.
As it is, I'm sure you mean this to sound ominous. In view of the Patriot Act it can certainly be ominous.
But every teacher in every classroom in the world has said this to kids. Context is everything. |
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khyber
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
Location: Compunction Junction
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| Posted: Mon Jul 18, 2005 4:45 am Post subject: |
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getting rid of correct dictatorships is a problem?
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AS I SAID BEFORE THE LEFT DOESN'T UNDERSTAND WHY AL QAIDA FIGHTS. |
hold on....the "right" is the side that seems to be under the impression that aq is "jealous" of their freedom.
geez, that is so tacky....
as a context to this all....uhm....has the precise group been pinnned? Last i heard it was all still up in the air and about 3 groups were claiming responsibility.
Also, there are what....HOW many terrorist groups? Do they ALL have the previously stated agenda joo?
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| Why did Al Qaida do the Bali bombing? |
because of Australia's support of American troups? |
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