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blunder1983



Joined: 12 Apr 2005

PostPosted: Fri Jul 22, 2005 1:46 am    Post subject: London, part 3 Reply with quote

God knows whats going on now Sad

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/4706787.stm
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hypnotist



Joined: 04 Dec 2004
Location: I wish I were a sock

PostPosted: Fri Jul 22, 2005 1:52 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Mr Whitby, told BBC News: "I saw an Asian guy run onto the train hotly pursued by three plain-clothes police officers.

"One of them was carrying a black handgun - it looked like an automatic - they pushed him to the floor, bundled on top of him and unloaded five shots into him."


I think police officers should probably be in inverted commas, there...
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dulouz



Joined: 04 Feb 2003
Location: Uranus

PostPosted: Fri Jul 22, 2005 2:02 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Brit police aren't known to use guns. It must be serious. Maybe they are just randomly shooting Asian looking people.
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igotthisguitar



Joined: 08 Apr 2003
Location: South Korea (Permanent Vacation)

PostPosted: Fri Jul 22, 2005 2:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

>. He musta been up to somethin quite serious in order for them to blas thim 5 times. Shooting first, asking the corpse questions ??? For the sake of all innocents i most certainly hope those chaps in checkered plaid ain't overcome now with a bad case of itchy trigger finger.
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hypnotist



Joined: 04 Dec 2004
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 22, 2005 2:19 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

dulouz wrote:
Brit police aren't known to use guns. It must be serious. Maybe they are just randomly shooting Asian looking people.


Every force has an Armed Response Unit. I believe 5% is the recommended level of firearms-trained officers in each force.

However, I wouldn't have thought they'd have used handguns, and they certainly wouldn't get away with unloading five rounds into someone. More likely these guys came from Millbank or Vauxhall Cross...
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rapier



Joined: 16 Feb 2003

PostPosted: Fri Jul 22, 2005 2:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The guy was wearing a suspicious looking padded jacket- obviously too risky to even attempt to apprehend him.
Sounds like they caught up with one of the fugitives.

Friday July 22, 10:41 AM

Shadowy group claims new London attack - Web site
DUBAI (Reuters) - A group claiming links to al Qaeda said on Friday it was behind the latest attack on London, warning it would not halt its strikes until foreign forces quit Iraq, according to an Internet statement.

"Our attack in the heart of the infidel British capital is nothing but a message to all European governments that we will not rest until all the infidel troops leave Iraq," said the statement by the Abu Hafs al-Masri Brigades dated July 22.

"This is a warning to all those who follow the policies of the president of infidel America," it added, referring to U.S. President George W. Bush.

Friday's statement, like the previous claim from the group, did not appear on major al Qaeda Web sites. U.S. officials say the Abu Hafs al-Masri's links to al Qaeda are not clear.

The group has claimed many attacks in Europe in the past, including the 2004 Madrid train bombings. These claims have been discredited by security experts.

The same group claimed responsibility for the four bomb attacks in London two weeks ago which killed 56 people. British police on Friday were hunting down four bombers who struck at London's transport network in an apparently failed bid to repeat these attacks.


-Thing is, even if we pull out of Iraq, we're still going to be "infidels" in their eyes. Will we ultimately have to convert to Islam to make them stop?
AND as pointed out by Australian P.M Howard, the terrorist attacks were happening before the invasion of Iraq anyway. there's no reason to believe they'd stop even if there was a pullout.
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keithinkorea



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PostPosted: Fri Jul 22, 2005 5:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

This news made my day Very Happy There are still a few suspects out there and hopefully they'll catch them alive and get as much info out of the scum as possible.

I'm very happy that they shot this piece of crap 5 times. It's a shame they didn't unload into his knees first (supposed to be very painful) but I guess they were being prudent as it looked like he was carrying a bomb belt.

I hope they bury him in a pork coffin.

The Muslim council don't really do themselves any favours with stupid comments like this.

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The Muslim Council of Britain said Muslims were concerned about a possible "shoot to kill" policy.
I certainly hope the police did decide to shoot this scumbag and kill the bastard. Can't wait till they get the rest of these human scum.


http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/4706787.stm
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rapier



Joined: 16 Feb 2003

PostPosted: Fri Jul 22, 2005 5:34 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Eyewitness account:

'Bomber' Shooting - Eyewitness Accounts (BBC news)

Mr Whitby said: "An Asian guy ran on to the train. As he ran, he was hotly pursued by what I knew to be three plain-clothes police officers.

"As the man got on the train I looked at his face. He looked from left to right, but he basically looked like a cornered rabbit, like a cornered fox.
"He looked absolutely petrified.
"He half-tripped, was half-pushed to the floor.

"One of the police officers was holding a black automatic pistol in his left hand. They held it down to him and unloaded five shots into him. I saw it. He's dead, five shots, he's dead."

"I'm totally distraught," he added. "It was no more than five yards away from where I was sitting as I saw it with my own eyes."
Mr Whitby said the suspected bomber "looked like a Pakistani" and was wearing a baseball cap and a thick coat.

Dramatic stuff for the commuters of London I see. At least terrorists know they can expect prompt and decisive action from british Police now.
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Gopher



Joined: 04 Jun 2005

PostPosted: Fri Jul 22, 2005 5:41 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

hypnotist wrote:
Every force has an Armed Response Unit. I believe 5% is the recommended level of firearms-trained officers in each force.


Probably prudent to escalate that number now.
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funplanet



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PostPosted: Fri Jul 22, 2005 5:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

2nd incident being reported now...on Harrow rd.
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keithinkorea



Joined: 17 Mar 2004

PostPosted: Fri Jul 22, 2005 5:50 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Gopher wrote:
hypnotist wrote:
Every force has an Armed Response Unit. I believe 5% is the recommended level of firearms-trained officers in each force.


Probably prudent to escalate that number now.


There are quite a few. It is very difficult to become a police marksman in Britain as it should be, we don't want innocents getting shot do we? The standards or marksmanship are very high indeed. I love the fact that so few officers use guns, it is very unnerving to see people walking around with guns.

The flying squad are often trained in firearms and so are the mi5 and other special units and that is the way it should be. It will be a sad day indeed if one day all British police are armed with lethal weapons.
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rapier



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PostPosted: Fri Jul 22, 2005 6:24 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Friday July 22, 03:28 PM

Armed Police At A House Near Paddington
Detectives investigating the attempted bombings in London are searching a house in north west London near Paddington.Armed police are carrying out an operation at a house in the Harrow Road area of West Kilburn, Scotland Yard has confirmed.Sky's Correspondent Graham Leach, who is at the scene, said there is a "formidable" police presence.

He added that two women and a teenage boy have reportedly been searched by police.

The operation is reportedly centred on a Thai restaurant.

A resident of Portnall Road, just off Harrow Road, said: "I can see 20 doors down what looks like a bomb disposal type vehicle, it's armoured and there are several armed officers around it.

"About half an hour ago officers the police ran up my road telling everyone to get inside their houses.

"Anyone who even puts their head out, they scream 'get inside your house'.

"About 15 minutes ago I saw a little remote controlled vehicle. It went round to the left and then it disappeared from my view.

"It was followed by a couple of armed officers with shields."


Friday July 22, 03:28 PM

'Arson' on suicide bomber's home

An area around the home of suicide bomber Germaine Lindsay has been sealed off after an apparent attempt to burn down the building.

Thames Valley Police said officers were called to Northern Road in Aylesbury, Buckinghamshire, after reports of a strong smell of petrol in the street.

Police said a substance thought to be petrol or diesel had been located and the area sealed off with houses adjoining Lindsay's former home evacuated.

Lindsay, 19, blew himself up on a Piccadilly Line London Underground train on July 7, killing 26 people in the most deadly of the four terrorist attacks that day.

Last week, officers of the Metropolitan police and Thames Valley Police began a search of the semi-detached house on Northern Road which Lindsay had shared with his wife, Samantha Lewthwaite.

Ms Lewthwaite, who is not currently staying at the house, last week condemned her husband's attack as "horrific".

Thames Valley Police said that the incident in Northern Road was being treated as attempted arson and appealed for anyone who was in the area to contact 08458 505 505.

Earlier Lindsay's mother tearfully described him as a good son and said she would not accept his guilt without proof.

Maryam McLeod, wearing a traditional Islamic robe and veil over her face during a news conference in Grenada, called the July 7 bombings "horrific" and said she was struggling to cope.

"I need evidence to believe that my baby could ever harm anyone, let alone kill, injure and traumatise a community," McLeod said.
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Leslie Cheswyck



Joined: 31 May 2003
Location: University of Western Chile

PostPosted: Fri Jul 22, 2005 6:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

keithinkorea wrote:
Gopher wrote:
hypnotist wrote:
Every force has an Armed Response Unit. I believe 5% is the recommended level of firearms-trained officers in each force.


Probably prudent to escalate that number now.


There are quite a few. It is very difficult to become a police marksman in Britain as it should be, we don't want innocents getting shot do we? The standards or marksmanship are very high indeed. I love the fact that so few officers use guns, it is very unnerving to see people walking around with guns.

The flying squad are often trained in firearms and so are the mi5 and other special units and that is the way it should be. It will be a sad day indeed if one day all British police are armed with lethal weapons.


At first I was inclined to disagree with the tone and content of your post. But then I remembered something an old friend of mine told me.

http://www.network54.com/Forum/message?forumid=33620&messageid=949436070#

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private citizens kill about three times as many criminals as do law enforcement officials.

This is very good.


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At a maximum, criminals take a gun away from armed victims only 1 percent of the time (while 10 percent of police who are shot are shot with their own guns).

Cops should take notes.


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And although only 2 percent of those involved in civilian shootings are misidentified, 11 percent of individuals involved in police shootings were later found to be innocents misidentified as criminals.

This is not very good.



Cops with guns do suck.
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bigverne



Joined: 12 May 2004

PostPosted: Fri Jul 22, 2005 6:52 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

keithinkorea wrote:


The Muslim council don't really do themselves any favours with stupid comments like this.

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The Muslim Council of Britain said Muslims were concerned about a possible "shoot to kill" policy.
I certainly hope the police did decide to shoot this scumbag and kill the *beep*. Can't wait till they get the rest of these human scum.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/4706787.stm


You're quite right. The muslim council of Britain, a supposedly 'moderate' organisation, once again shows its true colours. It seems more concerned with the human rights of muslim terrorists than the actions of said terrorists. Whose side are they on exactly?
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keithinkorea



Joined: 17 Mar 2004

PostPosted: Fri Jul 22, 2005 7:06 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks, it goes to show we can agree on somethings doesn't it. You did really piss me off the other day but I was in a bad mood anyway after what happened in London and the rascist remarks made by some people, have an olive branch Wink . I don't think there was anything wrong with my tone. Some police should be trained in the use of firearms but they should be a select few.

I generally like America and Americans but I think the gun laws are absolutely insane, so many innocent people die all the time and it is senseless. I'm not anti gun and think that as long as they're held by responsible citizens it is not a problem. I'm a strong advocate of gun control, not banning but control.

The problem in the US is that there are so many guns it is too easy for anyone to get their hands on one or if they want to a private armoury.

Guns have their place in the world but I'd be gutted if every British policemen carried a gun in the future. The ones who do are given very good training and there are few instances of innocents getting injured, it does happen but as there are few guns it doesn't happen very often.

Meanwhile these scum are going to get theirs... Hopefully they'll be caught in the next few hours

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