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What should Europe do about all its languages?
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What should Europe do about all its languages?
Just leave it the way it is and find enough translators for the job
20%
 20%  [ 7 ]
Choose one language like English, French, German for example and use that
23%
 23%  [ 8 ]
Choose a constructed language to use to avoid favouring one country over another
2%
 2%  [ 1 ]
First option plus spend more money on promoting trilingualism (at least) in each country
17%
 17%  [ 6 ]
Disband the EU
17%
 17%  [ 6 ]
I have no idea
0%
 0%  [ 0 ]
Give preferred status to the biggest languages and semi-official status to others
17%
 17%  [ 6 ]
Total Votes : 34

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mithridates



Joined: 03 Mar 2003
Location: President's office, Korean Space Agency

PostPosted: Mon Jul 25, 2005 8:30 am    Post subject: What should Europe do about all its languages? Reply with quote

I had an article about this but I have no idea where it went. Actually I might have posted on this but maybe it was a dream. Anyway, this time it's a poll. The EU has 22 languages and spends about $750 million Euros a year on translators, and still hasn't found enough translators for small languages like Maltese-Estonian and so on. It costs each European about E2.5 a year but it's going to keep going up especially with Romania and Bulgaria coming in, and maybe even Turkey later on. It's not just an extra two or three because you need translators for every possible combination of languages.
What to do?

Maybe I almost made a post before and forgot to click the button? This is confusing. I wrote down all the ideas I've heard before in no particular order. Hopefully I covered them all.
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Links



Joined: 29 Jun 2005
Location: It's censorship and it's downright blasphemous

PostPosted: Mon Jul 25, 2005 8:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Every country��s representative should be fluent in English. Or at least in French or German. The general population should keep their own languages but it is crazy to try and translate all 22 languages at meetings. English is the language that pilots have to speak and that��s working out okay.
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keithinkorea



Joined: 17 Mar 2004

PostPosted: Mon Jul 25, 2005 9:03 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Links wrote:
Every country��s representative should be fluent in English. Or at least in French or German. The general population should keep their own languages but it is crazy to try and translate all 22 languages at meetings. English is the language that pilots have to speak and that��s working out okay.


English makes sense as more people learn English as a second language than other languages in Europe. If one individual has a problem understanding English then it would be fair enough for them to be assigned a translator.

Change will happen slowly. There is no need to rush on this issue.
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Ya-ta Boy



Joined: 16 Jan 2003
Location: Established in 1994

PostPosted: Mon Jul 25, 2005 12:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I personally would vote for Basque being the language of commerce and diplomacy. It's the oldest language in Europe (I think).
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joe_doufu



Joined: 09 May 2005
Location: Elsewhere

PostPosted: Mon Jul 25, 2005 5:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I vote for French. Imagine if everybody over there spoke English... Europe would lose all of its charm as a tourist attraction. And then what good would Europe be?
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some waygug-in



Joined: 25 Jan 2003

PostPosted: Tue Jul 26, 2005 12:19 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hey, why not Korean? Laughing

Of course they "should" use English, as it makes the most sense, since more people already study English for business communication. But knowing the way Europeans are and their unwillingness to change........it may be a long time coming. In the mean time, think of all those jobs that are created by having all those languages. Cool
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matthewwoodford



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Location: Location, location, location.

PostPosted: Tue Jul 26, 2005 12:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think they should use English as an official language and promote polyglot education throughout the EU. Everyone wants to learn English anyway, and everyone wants to preserve their own language too.

It'd be nice if they improved second language teaching in the UK too.
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rapier



Joined: 16 Feb 2003

PostPosted: Tue Jul 26, 2005 12:37 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Its irrelevant, as they will all be speaking arabic within 50 years.


In any case, the EU has little chance of real economic and cultural integration so long as the stubborn nations of the continent drag their heels at learning english. France and italy for example probably have fewer english speakers than my hagwon.
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Radioactive



Joined: 03 Dec 2003
Location: DPRK

PostPosted: Tue Jul 26, 2005 12:59 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Its irrelevant, as they will all be speaking arabic within 50 years.


Sir, while I respect your religion and ways of life, that was a very nasty thing to say. Do you seriously believe that your fellow believers can take over Europe?
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rapier



Joined: 16 Feb 2003

PostPosted: Tue Jul 26, 2005 1:06 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Radioactive wrote:
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Its irrelevant, as they will all be speaking arabic within 50 years.


Sir, while I respect your religion and ways of life, that was a very nasty thing to say. Do you seriously believe that your fellow believers can take over Europe?


When did they let you out? or do you get to look at the internet spasmodically?
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Gunnery Sergeant Hartman



Joined: 24 Jul 2005
Location: Seoul

PostPosted: Tue Jul 26, 2005 1:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Esperanto.

Cool
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tomato



Joined: 31 Jan 2003
Location: I get so little foreign language experience, I must be in Koreatown, Los Angeles.

PostPosted: Tue Jul 26, 2005 3:15 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mith, why are you asking specifically about Europe?

The proponents of Esperanto claim that there is greater similarity in language in Europe than there is in any comparable area anywhere in Africa and Asia.

Whenever a prospective Esperantist asks why Esperanto is so Euro-chauvinistic, that's the answer they give.
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ed4444



Joined: 12 Oct 2004

PostPosted: Tue Jul 26, 2005 4:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Have you ever been to the Sweden or Denmark? If you have you can see how two languages (English and their own) can co-exist at the same time without either suffering. Thats the way forward.

The problem is that too many counties are insecure about their language and culture fearing that they are going to be assimilated into some evil monoculture. And the best thing to combat that is to stop going to MacDonalds and Burgerking.
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Ya-ta Boy



Joined: 16 Jan 2003
Location: Established in 1994

PostPosted: Tue Jul 26, 2005 5:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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And the best thing to combat that is to stop going to MacDonalds and Burgerking.


Yes. Everyone should go to French restaurants instead.
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mithridates



Joined: 03 Mar 2003
Location: President's office, Korean Space Agency

PostPosted: Tue Jul 26, 2005 5:24 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

tomato wrote:
Mith, why are you asking specifically about Europe?

The proponents of Esperanto claim that there is greater similarity in language in Europe than there is in any comparable area anywhere in Africa and Asia.

Whenever a prospective Esperantist asks why Esperanto is so Euro-chauvinistic, that's the answer they give.


I asked specifically about Europe because they seem to be the only area that spends so much translating absolutely everything into everyone's language. Esperanto, I looked into that but I don't see it happening. I have a favourite IAL myself but didn't want to ask a loaded question. Only one person has voted for using a constructed language so far anyway.
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