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igotthisguitar

Joined: 08 Apr 2003 Location: South Korea (Permanent Vacation)
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Posted: Sat Aug 20, 2005 7:44 am Post subject: Canadian Police To Be Given More Power To Snoop |
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Canadian Police To Be Given More Power To Snoop
By Bill Curry
The Globe and Mail
8-19-5
OTTAWA -- The federal government will introduce legislation this fall that would give police and national security agencies new powers to eavesdrop on cellphone calls and monitor the Internet activities of Canadians, Justice Minister Irwin Cotler said yesterday.
The bill would allow police to demand that Internet service providers hand over a wide range of information on the surfing habits of individuals, including on-line pseudonyms and whether someone possesses a mischief-making computer virus, according to a draft outline of the bill provided to the Privacy Commissioner of Canada.
After a speech to a police association in Ottawa, Mr. Cotler confirmed that his government will soon bring "lawful access" legislation to cabinet for final approval before it is introduced in the House of Commons.
The minister said the law is needed to replace outdated surveillance laws that were written before the arrival of cellphones and e-mail.
"We will put law-enforcement people on the same level playing field as criminals and terrorists in the matter of using technology and accessing technology," he said.
"At the same time we will protect the civil libertarian concerns that are involved such as privacy and information surveillance,"the minister said.
Police groups say they are not asking for any new powers but rather the ability to continue their regular investigative activities in the digital age.
Clayton Pecknold of the Canadian Association of Chiefs of Police said police are working with laws originally written in 1974, a time when wiretapping involved climbing telephone poles.
"The laws were written for a wired world as opposed to the wireless world," he said. "We are not asking that we be given any powers without a court order."
But critics who have been involved in private consultations with the government are expressing concern that the proposed law goes too far and could ultimately be used to nab Canadians as they engage in relatively minor offences such as downloading music, movies and computer software without paying for them.
The law would force Internet service providers to retain records on the Internet use of its clients in such a way that it can be easily retrieved by police, doing away with the need in many cases to seize an individual's computer as part of an investigation.
In her submission to the government earlier this year, Privacy Commissioner Jennifer Stoddart concluded that Ottawa and the police have not provided enough justification to warrant such a law.
"We remain skeptical about the need for these potentially intrusive and far-reaching measures," she wrote. Ms. Stoddart noted the law could give police access to global-positioning-system data from cellphones combined with electronic banking data that could allow the government to track an individual's every move.
"The digits we punch into a modern telephone do not just connect us to another party, they can also reveal our financial transactions, PIN numbers and passwords, or even health information." Michael Geist, a University of Ottawa law professor who took part in the consultations, said the proposed law goes "well, well beyond" updating references to analog technology. "For individual Canadians, this is an issue that should attract enormous interest because it fundamentally reshapes the Internet in Canada, creating significant new surveillance powers," he said.
Alex Swan, a spokesman for Public Safety Minister Anne McLellan, who will be introducing the bill, said the new law will not add any new offences to the current list in the Criminal Code that can be used to justify a wiretap.
While that list of more than 100 crimes does include a host of sections dealing with terrorism and organized crime, it also includes theft, mischief and keeping a gaming or betting house.
Mr. Swan said judicial oversight will prevent police from using the new surveillance law for minor offences, as will the cost involved in using such surveillance methods.
© Copyright 2005 Bell Globemedia Publishing Inc.
All Rights Reserved.
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Wrench
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Posted: Sat Aug 20, 2005 3:31 pm Post subject: |
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Man Canada is starting to follow US and is becoming a Police state. That��s total BS. Gone are the days of privacy. All the major powers that are democratic are stepping backwards with legislation that is not necessary and stupid. This is a huge step back for freedom and democracy. |
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igotthisguitar

Joined: 08 Apr 2003 Location: South Korea (Permanent Vacation)
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Posted: Fri Aug 26, 2005 2:53 am Post subject: |
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Wrench wrote: |
Man Canada is starting to follow US and is becoming a Police state. That��s total BS. Gone are the days of privacy. All the major powers that are democratic are stepping backwards with legislation that is not necessary and stupid. This is a huge step back for freedom and democracy. |
I wonder what checks will be in place in order to ensure accountability ??? Any ???
"Who watches the watchers?"
PLATO
"Who polices the police?"
igtg.
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Gopher

Joined: 04 Jun 2005
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Posted: Fri Aug 26, 2005 3:19 am Post subject: |
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igotthisguitar wrote: |
"Who polices the police"
igtg. |
In the U.S. we have internal affairs and civilian review boards, and, of course, the media. I don't know how Canadian police depts. work, but I think it's safe to assume you have similar checks and balances.
I know you're going to come back and say that they are all conspiring together, but I don't believe you...  |
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igotthisguitar

Joined: 08 Apr 2003 Location: South Korea (Permanent Vacation)
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Posted: Fri Aug 26, 2005 3:43 am Post subject: |
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Gopher wrote: |
I know you're going to come back and say that they are all conspiring together, but I don't believe you...  |
In all seriousness now folks ...
CODE OF SILENCE
Written by Bruce Springsteen & Joe Grushecky
There's a code of silence that we don't dare speak
There's a wall between and the river's deep
We keep pretending that there's nothing wrong
But there's a code of silence and it can't go on
Is the truth so elusive, so elusive you see
that it ain't enough baby
To bridge the distance between you and me
There's a list of grievance 100 miles long
There's a code of silence and it can't go on
Well you walk with your eyes open
But your lips they remain sealed
While the promises we made are broken
Beneath the truth we fear to reveal
Now I need to know now darlin'
I need to know what's goin' on so c'mon
Well you walk with your eyes open
But your lips they remain sealed
While the promises we made are broken
Beneath the truth we fear to reveal
Now I need to know now darlin'
I need to know what's goin' on so c'mon
There's a code of silence that we don't dare speak
There's a wall between and the river's deep
We keep pretending that there's nothing wrong
But there's a code of silence and it can't go on
Copyright 2002 Bruce Springsteen (ASCAP) |
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igotthisguitar

Joined: 08 Apr 2003 Location: South Korea (Permanent Vacation)
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Posted: Fri Aug 26, 2005 5:12 am Post subject: |
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>. Hmmmmm ... now THIS is a twist. In fact just came across this a little while ago ... wow. C'est tres interessant n'est pas ???
Canada and the New Challenges Posed by Corruption in the New World Order: A Literature Review
Distributed by the Royal Canadian Mounted Police Website.
Have you got your copy?
http://www.rcmp.ca/ccaps/reports/corruption_e.pdf
Introduction Page to this 'Review'
http://www.rcmp.ca/ccaps/corruption_e.htm |
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Wrench
Joined: 07 Apr 2005
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Posted: Fri Aug 26, 2005 3:40 pm Post subject: |
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Gopher wrote: |
igotthisguitar wrote: |
"Who polices the police"
igtg. |
In the U.S. we have internal affairs and civilian review boards, and, of course, the media. I don't know how Canadian police depts. work, but I think it's safe to assume you have similar checks and balances.
I know you're going to come back and say that they are all conspiring together, but I don't believe you...  |
No we don't.. But then even American checks and balances don't work that well. |
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Gopher

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Posted: Fri Aug 26, 2005 6:59 pm Post subject: |
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Naruto
Joined: 07 Jul 2005 Location: Irvine, CA
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Posted: Fri Aug 26, 2005 8:13 pm Post subject: |
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Gopher wrote: |
Wrench wrote: |
Gopher wrote: |
igotthisguitar wrote: |
"Who polices the police"
igtg. |
In the U.S. we have internal affairs and civilian review boards, and, of course, the media. I don't know how Canadian police depts. work, but I think it's safe to assume you have similar checks and balances.
I know you're going to come back and say that they are all conspiring together, but I don't believe you...  |
No we don't.. But then even American checks and balances don't work that well. |
You want to be a little more specific when you say something like that? Cite specific examples and sources, etc.?
I know federal and local cops. They are feeling extremely restrained these days...one FBI agent had to spend several months before different levels of review and appeal boards, defending his job, because he joked with a stewardess on an airline and she complained that he was sexually harassing her... |
Yeah caus everyone knows the MEDIA is completely un-biased, independent, not party politics affliated, and simply provides an accurate picture of the current news... *snickers*  |
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Gopher

Joined: 04 Jun 2005
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Posted: Fri Aug 26, 2005 8:27 pm Post subject: |
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So cynical. How do you people go on in a world where everything is manipulation and mendacity? |
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Bulsajo

Joined: 16 Jan 2003
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Posted: Fri Aug 26, 2005 9:06 pm Post subject: |
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igotthisguitar wrote: |
I wonder what checks will be in place in order to ensure accountability. |
It's called The Security Intelligence Review Committee, The Office of the Inspector General of CSIS, the RCMP External Review Committee, and The Commission for Public Complaints against the RCMP.
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"Who polices the police?" |
See above, as well as The Solicitor General of Canada.
Okay, listen- is it possible that these laws might one day be abused? Yes, no one can say with any certainty that will never happen. The same goes for a whole other host of laws already in the books. But YES, there ARE processes of oversight in place.
I CAN, however, tell you one thing for certain- criminals will continue to exploit technology when and where it becomes available. Preventing the updating of laws and law enforcement capabilities so that the police are unable to investigate criminal activities involving new technologies is more than simply short-sighted and stupid, it's dangerous.
Some of you on here seem to think that all cops are trigger happy gun-freaks who would just as soon blow you away as say hello.
If you're that afraid of cops you should consider moving to some of the more lawless regions of the world- Haiti, Colombia, Afghanistan, Iraq, Somalia, South Africa, Sudan, Liberia, Jamaica, Russia.
Don't forget to send me a postcard. |
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Bulsajo

Joined: 16 Jan 2003
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Posted: Fri Aug 26, 2005 11:19 pm Post subject: |
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Wrench wrote: |
Gopher wrote: |
In the U.S. we have internal affairs and civilian review boards, and, of course, the media. I don't know how Canadian police depts. work, but I think it's safe to assume you have similar checks and balances.
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No we don't.. |
Uh, sure. You know that because you've researched this thoroughly, right?
Meanwhile I'm just making stuff up or pulling it out of my ass.
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But then even American checks and balances don't work that well. |
So what's your solution?
No laws which give police the power to investigate?
It's really super that you can see everything that's wrong with the system, but it sure would be nice to hear how you're going to keep me safe from criminals and terrorists... |
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Yu_Bum_suk

Joined: 25 Dec 2004
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Posted: Fri Aug 26, 2005 11:47 pm Post subject: |
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It's potentially disturbing, I suppose; but really, how's it going to effect you if you're not up to anything illegal? Some boring middle-age guy in Ottawa named Gaston will find out you have a rubber fetish and your K-wife spends four hours a day on-line shopping for shoes? |
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igotthisguitar

Joined: 08 Apr 2003 Location: South Korea (Permanent Vacation)
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Posted: Sat Aug 27, 2005 1:02 am Post subject: |
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Yu_Bum_suk wrote: |
It's potentially disturbing, I suppose; but really, how's it going to effect you if you're not up to anything illegal? Some boring middle-age guy in Ottawa named Gaston will find out you have a rubber fetish and your K-wife spends four hours a day on-line shopping for shoes? |
Some sheeple might think that the gradual erosion of privacy & increasing state encroachment is just peachy, but i don't. It's creepy.
Invasion of privacy. Data mining, roaming random wiretaps, and God only knows what else. Let's not forget the so called "sneek & peek" accessing of our email ( which frankly i assumed was quietly occuring LONG before "9/11" ).
Oh yes, are you a supporter of the current government ??? What are your views on this issue ... or that ??? What websites do you prefer to visit ??? Do you have any online alias ( or three ) you posrt under ??? Don't wanna share that info with us eh ??? that's ok. We KNOW your email account history & can see when you're logged, trace your ISP etc.
What books did you recently borrow from the library or buy at the store ??? Mind if we access your "smart" card info ??? We're sure you won't & promise it won't hurt. Only be for a moment or two.
btw - What of your medical history ??? Mind if we just take a little peek ??? Ever had an STD or suffered from any mental "health" problems ??? All "patriots" will conform to our wishes.
Sorry about all this, but you could be a terrorist or dangerous criminal. How about your bank account info ??? What's your balance ???
While Bum, you may not presently have any solid answers in response to your question, the fact that you're even asking it is a start.
Refreshing.
Speaking of refreshing, in case you missed it the first time i posted it, here's another little something which is related to our discussion here. While i've yet to read the entire document i still can heardly believe something like this would ever have been published.
Canada & the New Challenges Posed by Corruption in the New World Order: A Literature Review
Distributed by the Royal Canadian Mounted Police Website
You got your copy?
http://www.rcmp.ca/ccaps/reports/corruption_e.pdf |
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Bulsajo

Joined: 16 Jan 2003
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Posted: Sat Aug 27, 2005 4:59 am Post subject: |
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igotthisguitar wrote: |
Speaking of refreshing, in case you missed it the first time i posted it, here's another little something which is related to our discussion here. While i've yet to read the entire document i still can heardly believe something like this would ever have been published. |
Why?
In your own words, what is this document?
What does it show?
How new is it?
Well, you've referred to it twice already in this thread (and it's certainly got a sexy title) so there must be some pretty shocking revelations in there.
Care to share any of them? |
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