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dulouz
Joined: 04 Feb 2003
Location: Uranus
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 Posted: Sun Oct 23, 2005 6:25 am Post subject: Censorship, subsidies, quotas etc |
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This is no different than than countries giving money to its farmers. I didn't hear about either of these "hit" movies.
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Countries turn backs on Hollywood
US films account for the majority of spending at the global box office
Unesco member states have formally voted to support their own film and music industries against globalisation.
The United Nations cultural body voted in favour of a cultural diversity convention, backed by France, Canada and the UK.
The US had said the "deeply flawed" convention could be used to block the export of Hollywood films and other cultural exports.
The vote follows French moves to protect its film and music industries.
Strict quotas
France already awards large subsidies to its own film, music, theatre and opera industries to support its cultural heritage.
It also imposes strict quotas on the level on non-French material broadcast on radio and television.
French film The March of the Penguins became a US hit
The new convention on cultural diversity aims to recognise the distinctive nature of cultural goods and services.
It enables countries to take measures to protect what it describes as "cultural expressions" that may be under threat.
The majority of Unesco's 191 member states voted for the convention.
Britain's representative to Unesco, Timothy Craddock, said the wording was "clear, carefully balanced, consistent with the principles of international law and fundamental human rights".
But it was opposed by the US, which said the convention was unclear and open to wilful misinterpretation.
Russian movie Night Watch has become a global hit
French culture minister Renaud Donnedieu de Vabres said nations had a right to set artistic quotas because 85% of the world's spending on cinema tickets went to Hollywood.
The US suggested 28 amendments to the convention, which were almost unanimously rejected by Unesco delegates.
It was feared that Thursday's vote could isolate the US, which rejoined Unesco in 2003 after a 19-year absence.
The convention will need to be ratified by 30 member states in order to take effect
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wannago
Joined: 16 Apr 2004
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| Posted: Sun Oct 23, 2005 7:22 am Post subject: |
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Ah yes, cultural diversity.
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| The United Nations cultural body voted in favour of a cultural diversity convention, backed by France, Canada and the UK. |
Does this really surprise you? They can't compete with Hollywood so the best they can do is keep it out of their country. If you don't think that's where this is headed then naivete is your middle name. Yet, when the U.S. seeks to boycott French goods the whining and gnashing of teeth can be heard across the Atlantic. And, Canada...  |
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Wangja
Joined: 17 May 2004
Location: Seoul, Yongsan
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| Posted: Sun Oct 23, 2005 4:54 pm Post subject: |
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| Yet, when the U.S. seeks to boycott French goods the whining and gnashing of teeth can be heard across the Atlantic. |
Not quite: when French wine was poured away (along with "French Fries" btw an American name for something invented in Belgium and called pommes frites in France), the French did not whine (  ) they laughed. |
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Octavius Hite
Joined: 28 Jan 2004
Location: Househunting, looking for a new bunker from which to convert the world to homosexuality.
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| Posted: Sun Oct 23, 2005 8:53 pm Post subject: |
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You guys, the US is just as guilty of protectionism as Canada/Korea/France.
Some examples: Softwood lumber, the sugar industry, the beef industry, Boeing, Lockheed Martin, etc etc.
That persecution complex strikes again. [/quote] |
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Wrench
Joined: 07 Apr 2005
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| Posted: Sun Oct 23, 2005 10:47 pm Post subject: |
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| Pot calling the kettle black... Americans never cease to amaze me. |
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Pligganease
Joined: 14 Sep 2004
Location: The deep south...
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| Posted: Sun Oct 23, 2005 10:55 pm Post subject: |
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| Wrench wrote: |
| Pot calling the kettle black... |
... is exactly what is happening whenever Canadians, EU members, or ASEAN members say that Americans use unfair trade practices. (i.e. softwood lumber, beef, etc.)
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| Americans never cease to amaze me. |
Yes, we are amazing. |
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dulouz
Joined: 04 Feb 2003
Location: Uranus
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| Posted: Mon Oct 24, 2005 7:09 am Post subject: |
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Hi,
I've seen several months of local TV and plenty of it is poo. People really follow the US when it comes to newscasting. They all look American. How do culturally represent TV news? Perhaps make the anchors wear costumes, the ones they think are corny? |
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hypnotist
Joined: 04 Dec 2004
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| Posted: Mon Oct 24, 2005 9:46 am Post subject: |
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You haven't heard of March of the Penguins? Jeez, even my Korean gf had heard of it.
American film firms and/or music companies own the distribution channels in many countries. It's not as simple as the local media not being able to compete on quality. And Wangja is right - I saw on American TV that they were claiming the French were upset by the boycots, but RoW TV had a rather different view...
If the US had allowed Cnooc to buy Unocal I might have pretended to believe that they really were interested in international competition, but no. |
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Pligganease
Joined: 14 Sep 2004
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| Posted: Mon Oct 24, 2005 6:42 pm Post subject: |
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| If the US had allowed Cnooc to buy Unocal I might have pretended to believe that they really were interested in international competition, but no. |
Can an American, Canadian, or British company purchase a Chinese company? No. The Chinese will never play fairly in global business. However, because the Untied States wouldn't sell them one of our oil comanies we're the bad guys.
China is one giant corporation, all owned by the state, with over a million employees. Not to mention the fact that what they wanted to buy is the most important ingredient in making war.
And, I haven't heard of "March of the Penguins" either. So, by my count, that's two Americans who have never heard of this French "hit" in the U.S. Maybe its a hit in American Canada. |
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Octavius Hite
Joined: 28 Jan 2004
Location: Househunting, looking for a new bunker from which to convert the world to homosexuality.
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Pligganease
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| Posted: Mon Oct 24, 2005 7:21 pm Post subject: |
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Ahh... Another misinformed Canadian. By the way, thank you for making my case for me.
While reading any of those posted articles, did you notice anything?
Maybe percentages or something like that?
This is taken directly from one of your articles.
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The Chinese government has encouraged limited foreign investment in banks as a way of helping to strengthen the finance sector.
Under current regulations, foreign companies can hold just 25% of a bank's shares with an individual bank limited to owning a 19.9% stake.
Bank of America's agreement with Construction Bank, which has more than 14,000 branches, gives it the right to increase its stake to 19.9% at any time over the next five years.
Foreign companies have been positioning themselves to take advantage of the opening of China's banking sector to full competition, a precondition of China's admission to the World Trade Organization (WTO). |
So, I was correct. Foreign companies cannot buy Chinese companies, as of yet. CNOOC wanted controlling interest, something we as foreign investors cannot do in China. |
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hypnotist
Joined: 04 Dec 2004
Location: I wish I were a sock
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| Posted: Mon Oct 24, 2005 7:23 pm Post subject: |
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| Pligganease wrote: |
And, I haven't heard of "March of the Penguins" either. So, by my count, that's two Americans who have never heard of this French "hit" in the U.S. Maybe its a hit in American Canada. |
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Escapism of another sort played into the unpredicted success of Warner Independent Pictures' nature documentary "March of the Penguins," the summer's biggest indie hit. WIP acquired Luc Jacquet's "Penguins" at Sundance, where other distributors scoffed at its potential. Now it has crossed the $60 million mark.
The film, according to observers, offered family audiences a must-see summer film the studios failed to provide. It not only outgrossed animated movies like the Buena Vista-distributed pigeon movie "Valiant," but also will surpass more expensive family films such as Walt Disney Pictures' "Herbie: Fully Loaded" and "Sky High" in terms of boxoffice grosses.
"'March of the Penguins' filled the gap that none of the studios could hit," Sony Pictures Classics co-president Tom Bernard said. "It's become a parent/child film that you can take your 3-year-old to. That's where most of its audience has come from." |
http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/thr/film/feature_display.jsp?vnu_content_id=1001056912
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March of the Penguins (2005)
Total US Gross: $75,865,442
(As of Oct. 24th, 2005)
Daily grosses for September 2005
Average Daily Rank: 9
Average Daily Gross: $ 0.63
Daily grosses for August 2005
Average Daily Rank: 6
Average Daily Gross: $ 1.29
Daily grosses for July 2005
Average Daily Rank: 8
Average Daily Gross: $ 0.74
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http://movieweb.com/movies/box_office/daily/film_daily.php?id=2977
Maybe you need to get to the cinema more often. As you appear to need the help, I've put the important parts in bold for you. HAND. |
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hypnotist
Joined: 04 Dec 2004
Location: I wish I were a sock
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| Posted: Mon Oct 24, 2005 7:31 pm Post subject: |
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| Pligganease wrote: |
| The Chinese will never play fairly in global business. |
| Pligganease quoting the BBC wrote: |
| Foreign companies have been positioning themselves to take advantage of the opening of China's banking sector to full competition, a precondition of China's admission to the World Trade Organization (WTO). |
Never?
Why is it ok for the Chinese to buy American debt and not American-owned oil fields? Which do you think is more dangerous to the US in the long run? |
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Octavius Hite
Joined: 28 Jan 2004
Location: Househunting, looking for a new bunker from which to convert the world to homosexuality.
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| Posted: Mon Oct 24, 2005 7:36 pm Post subject: |
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| First off Pligganease your off topic, again, we're not talking about china we're talking about western countries in relation to the new UNESCO deal. You haven't dealt with the fact that the US acts protectionist to its friends as well as towards China. That is the problem, we dont care about China. |
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Ya-ta Boy
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Mon Oct 24, 2005 7:38 pm Post subject: |
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While I didn't think it was a problem for the Chinese to buy the oil company, I think it is an understandable position to take not to allow a vital resource to be owned by foreigners. How that compares to movies and TV shows, I don't know.
The amusing part of this is that the real targets are the theater owners and TV programming directors in the various countries. They want customers so they buy the best programming available. The politicians, under pressure from the nationalists, step in and say, "No, take the second best that is available. Screw the customers and what they want."
The best revenge would be to embargo American programming for a year and let 'em watch the crap they produce in their own countries. |
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