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Gopher
Joined: 04 Jun 2005
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 Posted: Thu Jan 05, 2006 5:20 pm Post subject: This Guy Doesn't Know When To Quit (Robertson on Sharon)... |
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(CNN) -- Television evangelist Pat Robertson suggested Thursday that Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon's stroke was divine retribution for the Israeli withdrawal from Gaza, which Robertson opposed.
"He was dividing God's land, and I would say, 'Woe unto any prime minister of Israel who takes a similar course to appease the [European Union], the United Nations or the United States of America,'" Robertson told viewers of his long-running television show, "The 700 Club."
"God says, 'This land belongs to me, and you'd better leave it alone,'" he said. |
http://www.cnn.com/2006/US/01/05/robertson.sharon/index.html
I was thinking that no one could say anything more callous than what Mindmetoo said about the mining deaths or more harsh than what My 2 Cent has said about Sharon's stroke. Guess I was mistaken. |
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On the other hand
Joined: 19 Apr 2003
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| Posted: Thu Jan 05, 2006 7:34 pm Post subject: |
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"He was dividing God's land, and I would say, 'Woe unto any prime minister of Israel who takes a similar course to appease the [European Union], the United Nations or the United States of America,'" Robertson told viewers of his long-running television show, "The 700 Club."
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Notice that Robertson refers to the United States as if it were an enemy power. I mean, if Israel is trying to appease the US, that likely means that Israel is doing something that is in American interests. Thus, in opposing "appeasement", Robertson, a former presidential contender, is calling for Israel to act AGAINST American interests.
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Gopher
Joined: 04 Jun 2005
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| Posted: Thu Jan 05, 2006 8:22 pm Post subject: |
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| Notice that Robertson refers to the United States as if it were an enemy power. I mean, If Israel is trying to appease the US, that likely means that Israel is doing something that is in American interests. Thus, in opposing "appeasement", Robertson, a former presidential contender, is calling for Israel to act AGAINST American interests. |
Yeah, I noticed. If you asked me to reduce Robertson to one word, "irrational" or "nutcase" would be my top two choices. Who can possibly explain the guy?
More importantly, that he has a solid base of support in the U.S. concerns me most of all. |
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mindmetoo
Joined: 02 Feb 2004
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| Posted: Thu Jan 05, 2006 8:54 pm Post subject: Re: This Guy Doesn't Know When To Quit (Robertson on Sharon) |
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(CNN) -- Television evangelist Pat Robertson suggested Thursday that Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon's stroke was divine retribution for the Israeli withdrawal from Gaza, which Robertson opposed.
"He was dividing God's land, and I would say, 'Woe unto any prime minister of Israel who takes a similar course to appease the [European Union], the United Nations or the United States of America,'" Robertson told viewers of his long-running television show, "The 700 Club."
"God says, 'This land belongs to me, and you'd better leave it alone,'" he said. |
http://www.cnn.com/2006/US/01/05/robertson.sharon/index.html
I was thinking that no one could say anything more callous than what Mindmetoo said about the mining deaths or more harsh than what My 2 Cent has said about Sharon's stroke. Guess I was mistaken. |
Good lord, you know I'm being harsh towards the notion among theists that a god is causing mine cave ins and affecting mine rescues and said god is doing this as a message to the god's faithful. |
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Kuros
Joined: 27 Apr 2004
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| Posted: Thu Jan 05, 2006 9:57 pm Post subject: |
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"He was dividing God's land, and I would say, 'Woe unto any prime minister of Israel who takes a similar course to appease the [European Union], the United Nations or the United States of America,'" Robertson told viewers of his long-running television show, "The 700 Club."
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Notice that Robertson refers to the United States as if it were an enemy power. I mean, If Israel is trying to appease the US, that likely means that Israel is doing something that is in American interests. Thus, in opposing "appeasement", Robertson, a former presidential contender, is calling for Israel to act AGAINST American interests. |
I've heard that type of opinion before suscribed to Douglas Feith, a prominent neo-con who used to serve under Rumsfeld. I guess the idea is that American foreign policy is too tied to the peace process, and its simply easier for Israel to become more 'independent' rather than reverse American foreign policy in the region. |
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Rteacher
Joined: 23 May 2005
Location: Western MA, USA
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| Posted: Fri Jan 06, 2006 2:53 am Post subject: |
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That jerk Robertson - and his ilk - have a screwed-up theology and practically no philosophical depth.
In their "cosmic" world view, God is apparently just another private property holder who gets up-in-arms when His property rights are violated...
Actually, since real ownership implies permanence, God is the only owner of everything. In the sense that we are all "children" of God we all have a right to temperarily use some property according to our various basic needs. No individual or group can make a permanent settlement anywhere in the material world... |
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Hollywoodaction
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| Posted: Sat Jan 07, 2006 12:47 am Post subject: |
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| I guess for televangelists no publicity is bad pubicity as long as suckers keeps sending in money. |
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EFLtrainer
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| Posted: Sat Jan 07, 2006 4:01 am Post subject: |
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| Maybe we'll get lucky and God will make Robertson immortal. Of course, that would only be a bad thing for him if he's truly deluded rather than being as evil as he seems. |
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Hollywoodaction
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| Posted: Sat Jan 07, 2006 2:59 pm Post subject: |
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| Maybe we'll get lucky and God will make Robertson immortal. Of course, that would only be a bad thing for him if he's truly deluded rather than being as evil as he seems. |
Can a distinction be made between a televangelist who is deluded and one who is evil? |
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igotthisguitar
Joined: 08 Apr 2003
Location: South Korea (Permanent Vacation)
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| Posted: Tue Jan 10, 2006 12:06 am Post subject: |
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| Hollywoodaction wrote: |
| EFLtrainer wrote: |
| Maybe we'll get lucky and God will make Robertson immortal. Of course, that would only be a bad thing for him if he's truly deluded rather than being as evil as he seems. |
Can a distinction be made between a televangelist who is deluded and one who is evil? |
Interesting question. What Christians call evil, Buddhists refer to as delusion.
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Bulsajo
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Tue Jan 10, 2006 2:13 pm Post subject: |
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| Gopher wrote: |
| On the other hand wrote: |
| Notice that Robertson refers to the United States as if it were an enemy power. I mean, If Israel is trying to appease the US, that likely means that Israel is doing something that is in American interests. Thus, in opposing "appeasement", Robertson, a former presidential contender, is calling for Israel to act AGAINST American interests. |
Yeah, I noticed. If you asked me to reduce Robertson to one word, "irrational" or "nutcase" would be my top two choices. Who can possibly explain the guy?
More importantly, that he has a solid base of support in the U.S. concerns me most of all. |
No, it works for him, in a wierdly logical way(Kuros touched on this already): While I'm sure he favours Bush over Clinton, that isn't to say that he doesn't think there is anything wrong with the current administration and current US policies towards Israel.
It makes perfect sense for him to criticize Israeli kow-towing to US policy demands [paraphrase] since he believes those policies to be wrong.
Isn't freaky how the elements of the Christian religious right in the US are more adamant about the chosen people's homeland than any hardcore Zionist? This has been commented on a number of times before, I'm wracking my brains trying to remember where... Imperial Hubris perhaps? or Bernard Lewis? Christopher Hitchens? |
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bucheon bum
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
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| don't recall reading that in imperial hubris and bernard lewis is more of a historian than political analyst. but yeah, it has been written about by various people. |
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Kuros
Joined: 27 Apr 2004
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| Posted: Tue Jan 10, 2006 9:34 pm Post subject: |
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| Isn't freaky how the elements of the Christian religious right in the US are more adamant about the chosen people's homeland than any hardcore Zionist? This has been commented on a number of times before, I'm wracking my brains trying to remember where... Imperial Hubris perhaps? or Bernard Lewis? Christopher Hitchens? |
Asked by Emperor Frederick Barbarossa to provide a proof for the truth of Christianity, one of his advisors spoke up, "Your majesty, the Jews!"
As long as God keeps his covenant with the Jews as his chosen people, Christianity has some evidence (some good evidence, I think, given the long odds for the Jews in history) of the truth of their tradition. |
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On the other hand
Joined: 19 Apr 2003
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| Posted: Tue Jan 10, 2006 10:52 pm Post subject: |
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Isn't freaky how the elements of the Christian religious right in the US are more adamant about the chosen people's homeland than any hardcore Zionist? This has been commented on a number of times before, I'm wracking my brains trying to remember where... Imperial Hubris perhaps? or Bernard Lewis? Christopher Hitchens?
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I've seen the point made by various secular zionists. The New Republic crowd comes to mind in this regard. And Andrew Sullivan(formerly of TNR and ardently pro-Israeli) has been blasting Robertson on his blog this week.
Ya gotta remember, most of these hardcore Christian zionists subscribe to an eschatology in which Jews who don't convert at the end ot time are annihilated by Christ at Armageddon. So yeah, a Jewish zionist would have to be pretty freaking cynical to accept an alliance with that type of ideology. It's like "okay, I know you have fantasies about murdering me in the end times, but since I don't believe those end times will ever come, I guess I can work with you because you support Israel". |
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Bulsajo
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Wed Jan 11, 2006 12:33 pm Post subject: |
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| Ya gotta remember, most of these hardcore Christian zionists subscribe to an eschatology in which Jews who don't convert at the end ot time are annihilated by Christ at Armageddon. So yeah, a Jewish zionist would have to be pretty freaking cynical to accept an alliance with that type of ideology. It's like "okay, I know you have fantasies about murdering me in the end times, but since I don't believe those end times will ever come, I guess I can work with you because you support Israel". |
Remember? I had never really been aware of this. 
I guess I just never thought it through to the "logical" conclusion... |
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