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EFLtrainer
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 Posted: Wed Apr 19, 2006 6:58 pm Post subject: Dumbya worst president ever? |
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| Question being asked in upcoming Rolling Stone... Cover apparently has him in a dunce cap... |
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mithridates
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Location: President's office, Korean Space Agency
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| Posted: Wed Apr 19, 2006 7:47 pm Post subject: |
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Here's the cover:
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Bronski
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| He deserves some credit for his innovation with the English language. In ten years you'll be teaching your students "strategery" and "internets". |
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Bulsajo
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| Posted: Wed Apr 19, 2006 8:08 pm Post subject: |
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| It won't effect me none, which begs the question... |
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Gopher
Joined: 04 Jun 2005
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| Posted: Wed Apr 19, 2006 8:15 pm Post subject: |
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Certainly the worst president in a while. But the worst president ever?
How could you quantify and qualify such an analysis, taking every single president into account?
Most are hardly positioned to dispassionately consider this question.
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On the other hand
Joined: 19 Apr 2003
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| Posted: Wed Apr 19, 2006 9:42 pm Post subject: |
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Worse than Nixon or Reagan?
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Gopher:
Why do you rate Reagan so low? I have my own reasons for holding him in very low regard, but I'd be curious to know what yours are. |
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Ya-ta Boy
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
Location: Established in 1994
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| Posted: Wed Apr 19, 2006 9:59 pm Post subject: |
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Reagan was low...I mean, it takes a form of sick genius to quadruple the national debt in 8 years without a major war or depression to help you along, but Nixon was attempting to overturn the Constitution that he swore to uphold.
Everything Bush II has touched has turned to crap, but so far he hasn't done anything illegal as far as I know. BUT the boy isn't finished yet. He's got more than 2 years to take the gold ring of failure away from Nixon. Don't count him out yet. |
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Tiger Beer
Joined: 07 Feb 2003
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| Posted: Wed Apr 19, 2006 10:55 pm Post subject: |
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| Ya-ta Boy wrote: |
Reagan was low...I mean, it takes a form of sick genius to quadruple the national debt in 8 years without a major war or depression to help you along, but Nixon was attempting to overturn the Constitution that he swore to uphold.
Everything Bush II has touched has turned to crap, but so far he hasn't done anything illegal as far as I know. BUT the boy isn't finished yet. He's got more than 2 years to take the gold ring of failure away from Nixon. Don't count him out yet. |
Yeah, I'd say Bush will go down in history much worse than Nixon.
Reagan.. while I didn't like his politics.. he's kind of like Clinton.. either you really hate him or you really love him.. and most seem to either one direction or the other on the pendulum. Being I wasn't a yuppie in the 1980s profiting off of Reaganomics.. can't say it was my thing.
With Bush though.. the guy isn't good for fiscal conservatives.. he isn't good for businessmen.. he isn't good for the country domestically.. he doesn't know how to go about looking for Osama Bin Ladin.. he gets confused with WMD.. he puts all the american money and invests all of it in Iraq (hey, what about the U.S. - alternative energy? rebuild our cities instead of Baghdad if u want to tear down and rebuild stuff.. anything but 99.99% focus on fixing Baghdad's unfixable problems for 8 years).. the guy is just incompetent in nearly everyway imagineable.
Regardless if some people will try to defend Bush or not.. he'll always be on the forever list as one of the worst presidents at least of the last 100 years.. (seems like through the 1800s there were quite a few yahoos in office as well).. but none quite with the international ramifications of the current one. Its a bit debateable if its 'of all-time' or just of 'the last 100 years'. |
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Yu_Bum_suk
Joined: 25 Dec 2004
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| I lived in the US for part of Bush's term and so no, I'm not saying that the US is like Nazi Germany but I do think that Bush's legacy will be a lot like Hitler's in that people will be left wondering about the extent to which he was an evil manipulator or a useful idiot. |
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EFLtrainer
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| Sitting in a PC�� just now, which I hate, so not going to get into right now. There are a couple of strange comments from the usual suspects above that deerve some response... but really I posted it as a heads up. I want to see what an educated, qualified person who is trained to be "dispassionate" (I wasn't aware passion invalidated logic, btw) has to say about it. |
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Gopher
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thepeel
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Yes. Bush is the worst.
Everything, every gawd darnd thing he has touched he has fuc$ed up.
It is amazing that he was even chosen to lead the GOP against the dems 2 elections ago. Surely, there has to be some real talent in the GOP? No? |
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Bulsajo
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Everything, every gawd darnd thing he has touched he has fuc$ed up.
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This line got me thinking- those who defend Bush are pretty much holding to the argument that Bush's administration is not and has not been as bad as detractors make it out to be, right?
Or is anyone arguing that this has been a good administration?
I was reading BJWD's line and I thought to myself
"What are the successes this administration has had?"
If you had Scott Mclellan's job (until the day before yesterday) what acheivements do you trot out to the nay-sayers?
I'm genuinely curious.
I can't think of any, but surely there must be some... isn't there?
Domestic or Foreign policy?
Social, economic, political?
And if there are no successes, no acheivements, can "but I'm the war president" (I.E. 'it's not my fault 9/11 happened on my watch)justifiably excuse all of the faults/failures?
If so, how so? |
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caniff
Joined: 03 Feb 2004
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You people are crazy. Everybody knew how smaaaht and cultured he was, and what a wicked good job he would do being the head honcho of the States.
Three years ago (four?), before the Iraq war, I cut out an aerial picture from the Korean Herald of naked German women aligning themselves into 'NO WAR' in some park. Taped it to the wall by my desk in the hagwon I was working in. It was unappreciated by the 2 other American dudes (not because of any porno factor-nipples were indiscernable).
I wonder how they feel about the issue today. Probably a little differently (I hope). Bush is a nightmare, and I knew that from the get-go. And yes, "It is scary his country is the most powerful on Earth", or some-such as written on this site to me by some Canadian vegetarian or something, but especially so when the likes of Bushie is holding the reins.
The U.S. is not Korea. Nor is it East Timor. As diverse as Canada is (and it is), no country in the world is as diverse (by any definition) as the U.S. Simply put, you cannot pigeon-hole the American people. It doesn't work. Stop trying. |
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caniff
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Location: All over the map
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(whew!) I'm sorry, and the topic was?  |
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