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Gopher
Joined: 04 Jun 2005
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 Posted: Fri May 12, 2006 7:49 pm Post subject: Possible National Guard Deployment to Secure U.S. Border... |
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(CNN) -- The Pentagon has been asked to draw up options for deploying military personnel to help secure the border with Mexico, CNN has learned.
President Bush could announce a plan as soon as next week, and Pentagon sources told CNN on Friday that National Guard troops might be involved.
Bush is scheduled to speak on immigration and border security at 8 p.m. Monday in an Oval Office address. (Full story)
Pentagon sources told CNN that one idea under consideration is to deploy several thousand additional National Guard troops in Texas, New Mexico, Arizona and California. The troops would assist civilian authorities by providing logistics, intelligence and surveillance, and would remain under the control of the governors of those four states. (Watch what the National Guard may soon be doing -- 2:17)
The National Guard already is participating in such roles in small numbers.
The Pentagon said it could sustain a National Guard force of up to 10,000 troops along the border by rotating the forces during regular training cycles, but that it's too early to discuss exact numbers. Any such use of the Guard would be temporary, it said.
"This is a job we can train our forces to perform," said Frank Gaffney, president of the Center for Security Policy, a nonpartisan, nonprofit think tank specializing in security issues. "We can utilize the panoply of sensors and detection devices and monitoring equipment and military hardware to ensure that we do not continue to be subjected to what amounts to an onslaught every single day."
Although generally under the control of state governors, National Guard units can be federalized by the president. Federalized units may serve domestically or be sent overseas.
Defense officials told The Associated Press that they have been asked to determine what military resources could be made available if needed, including what options are available for using the National Guard under either state or federal control. The strategy also would explore the legal guidelines for use of the military on U.S. soil, the officials said.
Active-duty U.S. troops are barred from domestic law enforcement by a Reconstruction-era law known as Posse Comitatus, but National Guard troops under state control can perform some law enforcement functions.
Earlier Friday, Senate Majority Leader Bill Frist, R-Tennessee, told CNN Espanol that he would support calling in the National Guard if necessary to secure the border, but that the states should make that decision. |
http://www.cnn.com/2006/US/05/12/border.defense/index.html
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| On Monday, May 15, the city council in San Bernardino, Calif., will vote on an ordinance that will make it illegal for landlords to rent to undocumented immigrants. It would also prohibit the hiring of day laborers. Under the ordinance, workers must prove they are in the country legally. Steven Cuevas of member station KPCC reports. |
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=5400392 |
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Ya-ta Boy
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
Location: Established in 1994
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| Posted: Sat May 13, 2006 3:36 am Post subject: |
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This is really disturbing to me.
My understanding is that the National Guard is for emergency military back-up and general emergencies, like tornadoes. I am uncomfortable with bringing in National Guard troops to do routine border patrol. If the border needs increased patrolling, then up the budget and increase the number of border patrollers. I don't think of the border patrol as military and am extremely uncomfortable with militarizing the border.
Yes, illegal aliens are a problem. The problem has existed for decades. Nothing is going on that makes the present situation an emergency.
I can't quite put my finger on it, but my gut is telling me there is something paranoid about this plan. By paranoid I mean something irrational. Extreme. Over-reacting. Misguided. I've long had the impression that the right has a 'paranoid' world-view, but it is just an impression and I don't want that to be the central point of my post. Maybe it is the bunker mentality image? I don't know. But there is something deeply wrong with this.
I'm reminded of the comment in that article the other day about showing 'me' a 50' fence and I'll show you a 55' ladder. Let's say they do deploy the National Guard all along the southern border. What is to prevent illegal aliens from hopping in a boat and coming in behind the National Guard? Are we then going to put up barbed wire fences all along the coasts and patrol them too?
There is a demogogery at work here that really bothers me. It was in operation during the Cold War, too. Yeah, the Commies were bad guys with some really wretched ideas about 'perfecting' the world, but I never saw the threat as nearly serious as the right did. I was proved right in '89. I have a sinking feeling the same thing is being replayed now. Whipping up fear for political gain is shabby. Casting Arabs and Mexicans in the role of modern day, up-dated bomb-throwing Reds is not a healthy development. |
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nautilus
Joined: 26 Nov 2005
Location: Je jump, Tu jump, oui jump!
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| Posted: Sat May 13, 2006 4:16 am Post subject: |
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Al quaeda has been recruiting in Mexico and smuggling agents/equipt across the border.
The Val Verde County chief deputy warned that drug traffickers are helping terrorists with possible al Quaeda ties to cross the Texas-Mexico border into the United States.
If you don�t have access to Texas newspapers or the internet, you may not have heard the sensational news about the enormous cache of weapons just seized in Laredo, Texas. U.S. authorities grabbed two completed Improvised Explosive Devices (IEDs), materials for making 33 more, military-style grenades, 26 grenade triggers, large quantities of AK-47 and AR-15 assault rifles, 1,280 rounds of ammunition, silencers, machine gun assembly kits, 300 primers, bullet-proof vests, police scanners, sniper scopes, narcotics, and cash.
http://www.amren.com/mtnews/archives/2006/02/is_a_war_going_on_in_texas.php
Al-Qaeda Plans To Smuggle WMD's And Nukes Into U.S. Through Mexico
http://www.diggersrealm.com/mt/archives/000402.html |
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Ya-ta Boy
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
Location: Established in 1994
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| Posted: Sat May 13, 2006 5:38 am Post subject: |
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grabbed two completed Improvised Explosive Devices (IEDs), materials for making 33 more, military-style grenades, 26 grenade triggers, large quantities of AK-47 and AR-15 assault rifles, 1,280 rounds of ammunition, silencers, machine gun assembly kits, 300 primers, bullet-proof vests, police scanners, sniper scopes, narcotics, and cash.
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Aren't you confusing the article about al-Quaeda and the articles about the Aryan Brotherhood, the Posse Commitatus, the White Knights, the Klan, and your mom's PTA? [/quote] |
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Leslie Cheswyck
Joined: 31 May 2003
Location: University of Western Chile
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| Posted: Sat May 13, 2006 5:56 am Post subject: |
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| Ya-ta Boy wrote: |
This is really disturbing to me.
My understanding is that the National Guard is for emergency military back-up and general emergencies, like tornadoes |
You misunderstand, then.
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Article I, Section 8; Clause 15
The Congress shall have Power ... To provide for calling forth the Militia to execute the Laws of the Union, suppress Insurrections and repel Invasions. |
But I agree, the Border Patrol ought to be beefed up.
Six of one... |
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Wishmaster
Joined: 06 Feb 2003
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| Posted: Sat May 13, 2006 7:05 am Post subject: |
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| I'm telling you...Landmines. Go with the landmines. A big time deterrent. It is about time that the National Guard actually had to do something. Yes, many are deployed and doing time in Iraq but a lot of them just kick back and collect their check. About time they earn it. Man, I'll say this for the A Queda...they are actually helping the US to become more secure...forcing it to change...I guess that is what they wanted but now it is kinda backfiring on them... |
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Ya-ta Boy
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
Location: Established in 1994
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| Posted: Sat May 13, 2006 7:27 am Post subject: |
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| forcing it to change...I guess that is what they wanted but now it is kinda backfiring on them |
Yes, it's always a good idea to do what the enemy wants you to do. That shows them who is in control of the situation.
Mom: Get up off the couch and get in your room now and clean it up. I said NOW!
Kid: (muttering) You old biddy. I'll show you! I'll go clean it up and I'll even sweep the dust bunnies out from under the bed. That'll show you who's running this show. And then I'll hold my breath till I turn blue. Then you'll be sorry. You'll never tell me to clean my room again. [Flounces off stage][/quote] |
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Gopher
Joined: 04 Jun 2005
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| Posted: Sat May 13, 2006 12:20 pm Post subject: |
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| Nothing is going on that makes the present situation an emergency. |
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(CNN) -- New Mexico Gov. Bill Richardson declared a state of emergency Friday in four counties along the Mexican border that he said have been "devastated" by crimes such as the smuggling of drugs and illegal immigrants.
The declaration said the region "has been devastated by the ravages and terror of human smuggling, drug smuggling, kidnapping, murder, destruction of property and the death of livestock. ...
"[It] is in an extreme state of disrepair and is inadequately funded or safeguarded to protect the lives and property of New Mexican citizens."
New Mexico shares 180 miles of border with the Mexican state of Chihuahua.
"The situation is out of hand," Richardson said Friday night on CNN's "Lou Dobbs Tonight," noting that one 54-mile stretch is particularly bad.
The Mexican government issued a statement in which it acknowledged the problems along the border, but said it continues to make consistent efforts to target them along with U.S. authorities.
It said some of Richardson's views stem from "generalizations that do not correspond to the spirit of cooperation and understanding that are required for dealing with problems of common concern along the border."
Richardson's declaration makes $750,000 in state emergency funds available to Dona Ana, Luna, Grant and Hidalgo counties.
Richardson pledged an additional $1 million in assistance for the area, his office said in a news release.
He said on CNN that the funds will be used to hire additional law enforcement personnel and pay officers overtime.
In announcing the state of emergency, Richardson -- a Democrat who served in President Clinton's Cabinet -- criticized the "total inaction and lack of resources from the federal government and Congress" in helping protect his state's residents along the border.
"There's very little response from the Border Patrol," he said on CNN. "They're doing a good job, but they don't have the resources."
The governor announced the move after a helicopter and ground tour of the border near Columbus, New Mexico, the statement said.
He said on CNN that he "saw the trails where these illegal routes take place" as well as fenced areas along the border where the fence is "literally nonexistent."
According to Richardson's statement announcing the declaration, "Recent developments have convinced me this action is necessary -- including violence directed at law enforcement, damage to property and livestock, increased evidence of drug smuggling, and an increase in the number of undocumented immigrants."
He called on Mexico to "bulldoze the abandoned town of Las Chepas, which is directly over the border from Columbus."
The statement went on to say that "Las Chepas is a notorious staging and resting area for those who smuggle drugs and immigrants into the United States."
Some of the pledged funds will be used to create a field office for the New Mexico Office of Homeland Security to focus specifically on the border.
There will also be new efforts to protect livestock in the area near Columbus, "along a favorite path for illegal immigration where a number of livestock have been stolen and killed," the statement said.
Richardson said he wanted residents of the four counties "to know my administration is doing everything it can to protect them."
Alejandro Cano, secretary of industrial development for the Mexican state of Chihuahua -- which borders New Mexico -- pledged to support Richardson's efforts, the statement said.
Richardson told CNN he met with Mexican governors several weeks ago on border security.
"My people on my side asked me to take this step, and I've done so reluctantly," Richardson told CNN. "As governor, I have to protect the people I represent."
He noted he is the nation's only Hispanic governor, and "we're a state that's been very good to legal migrants. ... This action, I believe, had to be taken."
The Mexican Foreign Ministry sent Richardson a letter Friday saying it has requested that Mexican consuls in Albuquerque and El Paso, Texas, meet "as soon as possible" with New Mexico officials "to promote pertinent action by the authorities of both countries in the framework of existing institutional mechanisms." |
http://www.cnn.com/2005/US/08/12/newmexico/
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Ilsanman
Joined: 15 Aug 2003
Location: Bucheon, Korea
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| Posted: Sat May 13, 2006 11:55 pm Post subject: yes |
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It's about time.
In light of immigrants protesting for their 'right to immigration', this is a logical step that USa has been driven to.
Personally, I find the whole protest laughable. What right to immigration? Since when is immigration a right? This way of thinking needs to be stopped, and if is the only way, or the only way that Bush can come up with, then so be it. |
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igotthisguitar
Joined: 08 Apr 2003
Location: South Korea (Permanent Vacation)
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| Posted: Sat May 13, 2006 11:58 pm Post subject: |
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U.S. tipping Mexico to Minuteman patrols
By Sara A. Carter, Staff Writer
While Minuteman civilian patrols are keeping an eye out for illegal border crossers, the U.S. Border Patrol is keeping an eye out for Minutemen -- and telling the Mexican government where they are.
According to three documents on the Mexican Secretary of Foreign Relations Web site, the U.S. Border Patrol is to notify the Mexican government as to the location of Minutemen and other civilian border patrol groups when they participate in apprehending illegal immigrants -- and if and when violence is used against border crossers.
A U.S. Customs and Border Protection spokesman confirmed the notification process, describing it as a standard procedure meant to reassure the Mexican government that migrants' rights are being observed.
"It's not a secret where the Minuteman volunteers are going to be," Mario Martinez said Monday.
"This ... simply makes two basic statements -- that we will not allow any lawlessness of any type, and that if an alien is encountered by a Minuteman or arrested by the Minuteman, then we will allow that government to interview the person."
Minuteman members were not so sanguine about the arrangement, however, saying that reporting their location to Mexican officials nullifies their effectiveness along the border and could endanger their lives.
"Now we know why it seemed like Mexican officials knew where we were all the time," said Chris Simcox, founder of the Minuteman Civil Defense Corps. "It's unbelievable that our own government agency is sending intelligence to another country. They are sending intelligence to a nation where corruption runs rampant, and that could be getting into the hands of criminal cartels.
"They just basically endangered the lives of American people."
Officials with the Mexican consulate in Washington, D.C., could not be reached for comment Monday.
http://www.dailybulletin.com/news/ci_3799653 |
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Kuros
Joined: 27 Apr 2004
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| Posted: Sun May 14, 2006 3:59 am Post subject: |
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| New Mexico Gov. Bill Richardson declared a state of emergency Friday in four counties along the Mexican border that he said have been "devastated" by crimes such as the smuggling of drugs and illegal immigrants. |
Ya-Ta, there's your clansman right there, Bill Richardson.
Seriously, I think you need to remember there are three problems here that the National Guard needs to address.
A) Possible weapons smuggling into the US, including nuclear weapons
B) The smuggling of human beings in unsafe conditions, violating their human rights
C) The long-term effect of 500k illegals crossing into the border every year
Problem C gets the least priority, and problem A is enough in my mind to justify the measure. |
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Ya-ta Boy
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
Location: Established in 1994
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| Posted: Sun May 14, 2006 6:30 am Post subject: |
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Yes there is and it is not "paranoia."
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(CNN) -- New Mexico Gov. Bill Richardson declared a state of emergency Friday in four counties along the Mexican border that he said have been "devastated" by crimes such as the smuggling of drugs and illegal immigrants.
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No, there isn't and yes, there is.
Please tell me what is different now and at any time over the last 30 or 40 years. Drugs and illegal aliens crossing over in car trunks and the backs of semis is not new.
I'm surprised at you, Gopher. One of your themes (and a valid one) is people having/making extremist comments/reactions to events.
Drug and illegal alien smuggling are both legitimate problems. I've agreed with that for years and years. They both need to be addressed in a calm and reasoned fashion. That is not happening right now. |
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Gopher
Joined: 04 Jun 2005
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| Posted: Sun May 14, 2006 10:39 am Post subject: |
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Thanks for your response, Ya-ta.
Ultimately, either we have procedures, rules, and an orderly border, or we do not. So I do not see anything extremist in expecting our govt to secure an existing border and enforce existing immigration rules and laws, particularly where millions are openly defying us on this -- and oftentimes with dubious intentions.
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Gopher
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| Posted: Sun May 14, 2006 5:13 pm Post subject: |
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| President Bush will address the nation Monday evening. His topic will be immigration, and his address follows a week of increasing controversy between the administration's national security efforts and protecting civil liberties. Host Liane Hansen talks with NPR Senior Washington Editor Ron Elving about the president's efforts to take the political initiative as his approval ratings continue to fall. |
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=5403701
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Gopher
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| Posted: Mon May 15, 2006 5:10 pm Post subject: |
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Comprehensive reform
We are a nation of laws, and we must enforce our laws. We are also a nation of immigrants, and we must uphold that tradition, which has strengthened our country in so many ways. These are not contradictory goals -- America can be a lawful society and a welcoming society at the same time. We will fix the problems created by illegal immigration, and we will deliver a system that is secure, orderly, and fair.
Border security
Since I became president, we have increased funding for border security by 66 percent and expanded the Border Patrol from about 9,000 to 12,000 agents. ... [W]e have apprehended and sent home about 6 million people entering America illegally.
Despite this progress, we do not yet have full control of the border, and I am determined to change that. Tonight I am calling on Congress to provide funding for dramatic improvements in manpower and technology at the border.
Temporary worker program
The reality is that there are many people on the other side of our border who will do anything to come to America to work and build a better life. They walk across miles of desert in the summer heat, or hide in the back of 18-wheelers to reach our country. This creates enormous pressure on our border that walls and patrols alone will not stop. To secure the border effectively we must reduce the numbers of people trying to sneak across.
Law enforcement
[W]e need to hold employers to account for the workers they hire. It is against the law to hire someone who is in this country illegally. Yet businesses often cannot verify the legal status of their employees, because of the widespread problem of document fraud. Therefore, comprehensive immigration reform must include a better system for verifying documents and work eligibility. ...
A tamper-proof card would help us enforce the law -- and leave employers with no excuse for violating it. And by making it harder for illegal immigrants to find work in our country, we would discourage people from crossing the border illegally in the first place.
Opposition to amnesty
[W]e must face the reality that millions of illegal immigrants are already here. They should not be given an automatic path to citizenship. This is amnesty, and I oppose it. Amnesty would be unfair to those who are here lawfully -- and it would invite further waves of illegal immigration.
Assimilation
[W]e must honor the great American tradition of the melting pot, which has made us one nation out of many peoples. The success of our country depends upon helping newcomers assimilate into our society, and embrace our common identity as Americans. Americans are bound together by our shared ideals, an appreciation of our history, respect for the flag we fly, and an ability to speak and write the English language.
Tone of the debate
We must always remember that real lives will be affected by our debates and decisions, and that every human being has dignity and value no matter what their citizenship papers say. |
http://www.cnn.com/2006/POLITICS/05/15/bush.immigration.excerpts/
http://www.cnn.com/2006/POLITICS/05/15/immigration/index.html
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