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Octavius Hite
Joined: 28 Jan 2004
Location: Househunting, looking for a new bunker from which to convert the world to homosexuality.
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 Posted: Thu Jun 29, 2006 7:56 pm Post subject: Canadian Hypocrisy, Making me sick |
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This is making me sick, I hate my country's behaviour when it comes to Aboriginal rights.
http://www.cbc.ca/cp/world/060629/w062964.html
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UN rights body adopts indigenous rights declaration despite Canada's No vote
18:49:04 EDT Jun 29, 2006
LISA SCHLEIN
GENEVA (CP) - Over the objection of Canada and Russia, the new UN Human Rights Council adopted a declaration Thursday to protect the rights of indigenous peoples around the world, including their claims on land and resources.
By 30-2 vote, the council approved the declaration that said indigenous people should be free from discrimination and that they have a right "to consider themselves different and to be respected as such."
Only Canada and Russia voted against it. A dozen countries abstained and three were absent.
When the tally appeared on the electronic screen, the packed conference room erupted into applause. People wept and hugged each other and smiled broadly. Louise Arbour, the UN high commissioner for human rights and former Supreme Court of Canada justice, joined in the standing ovation.
"I'm very excited," said Willie Littlechild, a Aboriginal lawyer and Treaty Six international chief from Alberta.
"I'm very, very delighted and encouraged by the signal the new Human Rights Council has given the world that they are serious about addressing indigenous issues as we go forward by adopting a declaration."
Indigenous groups had hoped the declaration would be approved by consensus but Canada asked for a vote.
Earlier in the week, a Canadian motion to have the council authorize further consultations on the draft declaration was defeated. A rollcall vote of the 47-member council took place.
"When you're doing the right thing, you don't really worry about whether you're isolated or not," said Paul Meyer, head of the Canadian government delegation to the council.
"I think there were a number of countries that indicated they shared some of our concerns about the process and the substance and some of the deficiencies of both aspects that led us to take the vote we did."
The United States, Australia and New Zealand also opposed the declaration, but they are not members of the council and thus cannot vote.
The Canadian government has problems with current provisions on land, territories and resources which were unclear and open to interpretation, Meyer said. Other problematic areas are provisions on land claims, the concept of "free, prior and informed consent" and issues relating to self-government provisions.
Littlechild said he was "very personally disappointed that Canada chose to follow that path because ... they were there all the way through since 1982 helping us draft together a document, a balanced document."
"I felt very betrayed," Littlechild said.
Kenneth Deer, who represents Mohawks at Kahnawake and the United Nations Council of Chiefs, also said he felt betrayed. "Canada had a lot to do with the declaration getting this far ... It's ironic that for 11 years they carried the resolution and at the end they voted against the declaration and against their own work."
But Meyer doesn't see it that way.
"Our position evolved," he said. "But ... we always had an objective which was to get the best sort of declaration possible and we were willing to go the extra mile on this. We specifically came here with a plea for additional time."
Deer said he the declaration should be stronger, but more negotiations would not help because governments that "wanted to re-open it would want to weaken it and not strengthen it."
He warned of "strained" relations between the Canadian government and indigenous peoples, but Meyer said he doesn't think relations will be adversely affected.
The declaration goes to the UN General Assembly for final adoption in the fall.
The document is not legally binding. But governments and indigenous groups point out that the Universal Declaration of Human Rights was also not a binding document, but over time it became customary law. |
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laogaiguk
Joined: 06 Dec 2005
Location: somewhere in Korea
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| Posted: Thu Jun 29, 2006 7:58 pm Post subject: |
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| The entire aboriginal thing has got to be thrown out and someone with brains put in charge of figuring out this mess. |
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Octavius Hite
Joined: 28 Jan 2004
Location: Househunting, looking for a new bunker from which to convert the world to homosexuality.
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| Posted: Thu Jun 29, 2006 8:03 pm Post subject: |
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| Well, one of the things that needs to be done is that an Aboriginal must be made the Minister for Indian Affairs, the fact that it is a white guy running it all makes me crazy. Also, Indian Bands have to be held to a higher accounting standard and must be openingly democratic to get government money. Those are just two suggestion i've got. |
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laogaiguk
Joined: 06 Dec 2005
Location: somewhere in Korea
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| Posted: Thu Jun 29, 2006 8:21 pm Post subject: |
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| Octavius Hite wrote: |
| Well, one of the things that needs to be done is that an Aboriginal must be made the Minister for Indian Affairs, the fact that it is a white guy running it all makes me crazy. Also, Indian Bands have to be held to a higher accounting standard and must be openingly democratic to get government money. Those are just two suggestion i've got. |
Yes, most definitly about whitie in that office. Being 1/8 Metis, I know relatively nothing about Indian affairs (though I was told I could apply for aboriginal status and never pay taxes again, but I would feel like crap for the rest of my life taking money from people who need it.) |
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bignate
Joined: 30 Apr 2003
Location: Hell's Ditch
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| Posted: Thu Jun 29, 2006 9:08 pm Post subject: |
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The situation at present is very problematic, because the Native populations are begining to push claims on treaties that have up untill now been concidered defunct. The situation in Caledonia, being one, the land was supposedly transferred to the Canadian Government over two hundred years ago, but now there is a situation, where oppositional tribes are claiming that that was not the case, and that the chief who let the land did not speak for the entire group of tribes, now, there is a shit storm.
There were some tense situation during our own standoffs, where Natives took over provincial roadways, a provincial rail line, and destroyed a major electrical hub station, leaving several thousand people without power....Police were attacked, citizens as well, even a US border guard was attacked, beaten, and had his vehicle stolen... the Reservation outside of Caledonia is not a pleasent place for whitey right now...
Now they are begining to lay claims on land that has been inhabited for hundreds of years by non Native populations...making people wonder if the same violence and destruction could occur in their communities...
People here are really turning against the Natives at this moment... |
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khyber
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
Location: Compunction Junction
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| Posted: Thu Jun 29, 2006 9:58 pm Post subject: |
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why is that hypocracy?
PCs have no interest in dealing with natives and that is pretty dang well known. |
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TheUrbanMyth
Joined: 28 Jan 2003
Location: Retired
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| Posted: Fri Jun 30, 2006 5:40 pm Post subject: |
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| khyber wrote: |
why is that hypocracy?
PCs have no interest in dealing with natives and that is pretty dang well known. |
Much of the violence and standoffs took place under the LIBERAL government. No matter what the political party there are too many vested interests in keeping things the way they are...and that includes the Native band chiefs or others in positions of power there. |
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endo
Joined: 14 Mar 2004
Location: Seoul...my home
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| Posted: Sat Jul 01, 2006 4:27 am Post subject: |
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Don't you find it interesting that the countries who opposed the vote - Russia, Canada, the United States, New Zealand, Australia - have the most to loose in a vote like this.
They all have large aboriginal populations with legitimate land claims.
The UN really has no moral highground to vote on issues like this. I don't have a lot of faith in that organization because countries vote on self interests in most instances and not for the greater good.
Only throught the state level will we see real change. However, I guess votes in an international body will aid in the aboriginal peoples argument against theur governments. |
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Apple Scruff
Joined: 29 Oct 2003
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| Posted: Sun Jul 02, 2006 6:35 pm Post subject: |
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Aboriginal land claims are preposterous. The WHOLE FUCKING CONTINENT was theirs at some point, not just a couple of golf courses. Where do we draw the line on what they can have back? Here's a suggestion: claim whatever you want, but as soon as you mask your face, pick up a rifle, and put burning wreckage in the middle of the road, you can go to hell with your land claim.
In Canada, they don't pay taxes, they're recruited like hell for government jobs, and their post-secondary education is largely free. Discrimination against native rights? Don't make me laugh. What else do you need for a kick in the pants to get off your ass and DO SOMETHING with your life? Sorry for all the crap that happened to their people over the years, but it wasn't ME or anyone I know who perpetrated it. Stop playing the blame game and accept responsiblity for YOUR actions in the PRESENT. The government hand-outs clearly don't work, so what do you suppose would happen if they were suddenly taken away? I can't even imagine it, so take what you get, clear out the crooks among your own people and come back when you're ready to accept reality.
The truth hurts. |
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Octavius Hite
Joined: 28 Jan 2004
Location: Househunting, looking for a new bunker from which to convert the world to homosexuality.
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| Posted: Sun Jul 02, 2006 7:59 pm Post subject: |
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| Well you are wrong my dear firend. I agree with the notion that a land claim from 2 or 300 years ago is illegimate and shouldn't be dealt with. However, any land claim that is dated 1867 or later (and dont be fooled, there are plenty of those) is legimate and should be resolved. As for taxes that was a deal negotiated in a treaty and so we have no one to blame but our own leaders who signed the damn treaty. The problem is that we need an end game where we aren't revisting this every day and that people are afforded the diginty and the rights they were promised by previous government of Canada. |
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Apple Scruff
Joined: 29 Oct 2003
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| Posted: Sun Jul 02, 2006 8:44 pm Post subject: |
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| Octavius Hite wrote: |
| Well you are wrong my dear firend. I agree with the notion that a land claim from 2 or 300 years ago is illegimate and shouldn't be dealt with. However, any land claim that is dated 1867 or later (and dont be fooled, there are plenty of those) is legimate and should be resolved. |
Fine. Just don't do the mask/gun/burning wreckage thing, like I said.
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| As for taxes that was a deal negotiated in a treaty and so we have no one to blame but our own leaders who signed the damn treaty. |
How the whole system came into being is neither here nor there. The fact is that they don't pay taxes. The rest of us do. That's a pretty good head-start in getting their shite together, in my book.
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| The problem is that we need an end game where we aren't revisting this every day and that people are afforded the dignity and the rights they were promised by previous government of Canada. |
What dignity are they being stripped of? They aren't shackled to their reservations and forbidden from stepping foot elsewhere. They are given an abundance of opportunity to get with the program, and all they focus on are some tracts of land that they no longer have any practical use for, other than using the whole thing to stick it to the government for more freebies. The government is not their enemy. The Canadian government has the Enema of Political Correctness crammed so far up its ass that the last thing it wants to do is rob any visible minority of dignity, even those who brandish weapons and block public highways for weeks and months on end. No, those ones are allowed to carry on with their foolishness until ordinary citizens say enough is enough and attempt to move them themselves.
The problem is an internal one for the aboriginals to work out. The only way the government could help them is if they made it illegal to have more than six rusted out cars on your front lawn and no front door on your mortgage-free home. There. |
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Mr. Pink
Joined: 21 Oct 2003
Location: China
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| Posted: Mon Jul 03, 2006 1:57 am Post subject: |
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No taxes
Free housing
Gov't allowances
Free tuition
With a university degree, able to get a job in ANY gov't ministry or fortune 500 company
That is a HUGE advantage that the ordinary folks don't get.
The number of white trash Canadians is prolly 10:1 on Native Canadian population...I don't see them getting anywhere near the massive amounts of social assistance.
The head of a tribe, is like a CEO of a company. They speak for the name they represent and if they sell land, it's a done deal. It should be legal and done with.
If Native Americans want dignity, I agree with the earlier poster: CLEAN UP YOUR COMMUNITIES. You have to have self esteem and respect yourself before other's will. |
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Octavius Hite
Joined: 28 Jan 2004
Location: Househunting, looking for a new bunker from which to convert the world to homosexuality.
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| Posted: Mon Jul 03, 2006 2:01 am Post subject: |
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You know what drive's me crazy about Canadians. We all act like the mistreatment of Aboriginals happened hundreds of years ago. Thats not the case. They weren't allowed to vote until 1960 (there are a few ESL teachers who were around then), the reason their houses are mortgage free is because they weren't allowed to have them or own land until the 1960's as well.
I don't agree with Caledonia, but at the same time what Quebec did at Oka and what Ontario did in Ipperwash are morally repugnant. The debate we should be having is how do we settle this for good, but its clear that there are too many bigots in Canada afraid they are losing out and too many lawyers (on boths sides) getting fat from strecting negotions and failed policies on forever.
http://www.cbc.ca/news/background/aboriginals/ |
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Octavius Hite
Joined: 28 Jan 2004
Location: Househunting, looking for a new bunker from which to convert the world to homosexuality.
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| Posted: Mon Jul 03, 2006 2:21 am Post subject: |
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No taxes
Free housing
Gov't allowances
Free tuition
With a university degree, able to get a job in ANY gov't ministry or fortune 500 company |
If life is so great on the reserve why aren't white people fighting to get on? Life on the reserve is hard and a great deal of is the fault of band leaders but it also has to do with bad governance from the provincial and federal levels.
Free tuition. Yeah well thats a great benefit, excpet very few people use it, thus negating its cost.
No taxes. That was a treaty we signed with them, its a legal obligation. Why are white Canadians so jealous of reserve life? Have you ever been on a reserve? I would rather pay my own tuition. |
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TheUrbanMyth
Joined: 28 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Mon Jul 03, 2006 3:03 am Post subject: |
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| Octavius Hite wrote: |
Mr. Pink wrote:
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No taxes
Free housing
Gov't allowances
Free tuition
With a university degree, able to get a job in ANY gov't ministry or fortune 500 company |
(1) If life is so great on the reserve why aren't white people fighting to get on? Life on the reserve is hard and a great deal of is the fault of band leaders but it also has to do with bad governance from the provincial and federal levels.
Free tuition. Yeah well thats a great benefit, excpet very few people use it, thus negating its cost.
No taxes. That was a treaty we signed with them, its a legal obligation. Why are white Canadians so jealous of reserve life? Have you ever been on a reserve? I would rather pay my own tuition. |
1. That is the silliest thing I have ever read. White people are not allowed to live on a reserve. That is strictly for Native Americans only. And would you want to live on a place where you were a minority and a much-disliked minority at that?
Anyway it's not that life on a reserve is great. It's the ADVANTAGES natives get which are great. No taxes free housing, free education, government allowances....Heck if I had half of those I could have started my own business back in Canada and made a mint. |
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