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Real Reality · Joined: 10 Jan 2003 Location: Seoul

What some students chose to do during the summer?

mms://media.cast.or.kr/kndic/movie/03_0807_nostryker.wmv

KBS got it.
Was it on CNN?

VanIslander · Posted: Wed Sep 10, 2003 6:48 pm Post subject:

"Choose" is not the best word for those who feel it's their duty to do so. I thought it was going to be a story about tipping goats or something.

(Most of my students are going to go to grandmother's house.)

The Great Wall of Whiner · Joined: 24 Jan 2003 Location: Middle Land

Brutal. I watched it all.

Some kids do the stupidest things.

U.S.A. · Joined: 19 Jan 2003

There is hatred in almost all countries for America. Although the trespassing by the students was very wrong (and dangerous since there is the chance they could've been shot), the greater wrong I see here was that KBS seemed to have a crew ready for the whole incident.

Does KBS usually just station a camera outside of bases? Was the station there because students said "hey, we're going to protest outside of the base" but instead they decided to run in? Or did KBS know all along that the students were going to trespass?

If it's the latter, the US army might be able to take legal action against KBS.

I didn't watch the whole thing. When, exactly did the event occur other than summer?

Sucker · Joined: 11 Feb 2003

Sad.

One of the Korean kids is wearing a "Canada" t-shirt.

How old do you think they were?

Do you think that they will get into serious trouble.

Are they just a bunch of kids that came up with the idea themselves or are they part of some sort of organization?

Sad

On the other hand · Joined: 19 Apr 2003 Location: I walk along the avenue

Isn't this pretty much run-of-the-mill stuff for student activists the world over? Okay, maybe not eveyone gets the chance to barge into an army base, but I'm sure most student militants would do so if they could.

Not that they shouldn't be punished. Do the crime, do the time. I just thought that the hoopla surrounding this incident was a bit disproportionate to its actually severity. I suspect that the veiled threats by certain US foreign policy wonks a few months back to actually take the students advice and pull the troops might have everyone a little jumpy.

Walter Mitty · Joined: 27 Mar 2003 Location: Tokyo! ^.^

rapier · Joined: 16 Feb 2003

They probably got failed by their American professors for doing zero work last semester.
sad and misguided.
personally I think the question of wether American troops stay or go, should be put to a national referendum. That'd settle the matter in the minds of ungrateful koreans once and for all. However i doubt at the voting stage, wether Koreans would be fully aware that they're choosing between supportive American presence Vs. opposed to North Korean/chinese domination.

VanIslander · Posted: Thu Sep 11, 2003 4:56 am Post subject:

Waltermitty, of course the students did "chose" in the sense of having some agency and were not merely physically forced.

But BEFORE clicking the weblink to find out what the heck this thread is actually about, all we get to go on is this cryptic question: "What some students chose to do during the summer?" In that context, "chose" suggests preference along the lines of going to the beach, goat tipping, etcetera.

When someone feels it's their duty to do something to protest an injustice, then to say they "chose" to do it is to make a value statement about it, to suggest that it was somehow whimsical or done for entertainment. To say I chose to go to work is true in one sense, but the statement implies more. They felt compelled to protest. Only my right-wing friends and my granny would stare at the tube and say "Look at how they chose to spend their time."

AMERICAN HERO · Joined: 03 Feb 2003 Location: Najaf

Real Reality · Joined: 10 Jan 2003 Location: Seoul

U.S. Army Corps of Engineers facility was also broken into and the U.S. flag burned. The flag was prevented from being raised on the U.S. facility. This happened on July 25.
Video of the end of the event is available at the link below:

mms://media.cast.or.kr/kndic/movie/0725_nowar.wmv

Flag-burning student sentenced

The Seoul District Court yesterday sentenced Ryu Sun-min, a student at Chonnam National University, to between six and 10 months in jail for burning the U.S. flag after breaking into the U.S. Army Corps of Engineers Far East District compound in Euljiro, central Seoul, in July.

The court said Mr. Ryu, 19, would have to serve a minimum of six months in jail. Four other students who broke into the base with Mr. Ryu were sentenced to eight months' imprisonment with two years of probation.
The court said that the students had burned the U.S. flag in a region that was under U.S. jurisdiction, and had clearly infringed on Americans' patriotism. In particular, the court said, the students had influenced another radical group of anti-U.S. students to break into the Rodriguez Range Complex, a U.S. military training facility in Gyeonggi province, and hold violent protests there.
http://joongangdaily.joins.com/200309/06/200309060314023079900090409041.html

Another incident at the U.S. Army Corps of Engineers facility on August 7.
mms://media.cast.or.kr/kndic/movie/03_0807_gb1.wmv

Real Reality · Joined: 10 Jan 2003 Location: Seoul

http://www.areastudies.org/video/kiddy_song.wmv

the "cakes" in the song are WMD the children song "jokes" about sending to America.

http://www.areastudies.org/usinkorea/US_VS_NORTH_&_SOUTH_KOREA/index.html

Gord · Joined: 25 Feb 2003

Real Reality · Joined: 10 Jan 2003 Location: Seoul

Flashback

Heroes Walk Among Us

The doyen of anti-American Korean pop stars is Yoon Min-sok, author
of "Fucking U.S.A.," a song whose title often appears on buttons and
placards at demonstrations across Korea. So entrenched is the song
in the Korean psyche that even middle school students have been
known to sing the lyrics in front of their American English teachers.

Yoon's song calls America a "nasty nation" and a "vulgar country"
that "tries to rob everything by force." According to Yoon, America
is the true enemy of the Korean people and the cause of all their woes:

Is the U.S.A. still a beautiful country?
Is the North still an "enemy" to be killed?
How much more do you want to endure?
It's time to shout: "Yankee, go home!"
You dirty Yankees, wait and see
We will reunify the country with the independent force
of the Korean nation
We will build a dignified country, a reunified country
Don't forget the blood-stained history of Korea!
You, author of Korea's division, fucking USA!
Don't forget the Nogun-ri massacre of civilians!
You, murderer, fucking USA!

Perhaps the greatest affront to the Americans that fought and died
during the Korean War has been young South Koreans' treatment of
the American flag. The shredding and burning of Ol� Glory is still a
popular pastime among radical students, as evidenced by an event
that occurred just yesterday, on the very anniversary of the signing of
the armistice. After staging an anti-American demonstration around
noon, a group of youths belonging to the pro-North Korean student
organization Hanchongnyun broke into a U.S. military compound in
Seoul, setting fire to an American flag and calling for the withdrawal
of U.S. forces from Korea.
(article excerpt from http://www.americandaily.com/item/1844)

Original Song
http://myhome.naver.com/graykiny/fuckingusa.htm
(ENGLISH)
http://www.worldpaper.com/2003/may02/swing4.html

Author: koreangirl
"that song is cool.... does anyone know the exact english translation?"
http://bbs2.chosun.com/cwb-bin/CrazyWWWBoard.exe?mode=read&num=796&db=EPal&backdepth=1

Discussion on the song and media
http://cast.jinbo.net/film/show.php?no=330

One version was not enough. Another version was made.

http://www.kamconojo.or.kr/free/view.php?idcount=72&tb_name=song

http://www.songnlife.com/board.php?boardid=thissong&no=868&action=view&page=2
http://www.songnlife.com/song.php?boardid=song&no=86&action=view&page=0

The Great Wall of Whiner · Joined: 24 Jan 2003 Location: Middle Land