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asylum seeker
Joined: 22 Jul 2007
Location: On your computer screen.
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| Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee wrote: |
Anyway since you are a guy who trusts Chavez you have nothing to stand on |
Anyway since you're a guy who trusts Fox News you have nothing to stand on. |
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TexasPete
Joined: 24 May 2006
Location: Koreatown
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| Posted: Mon Oct 20, 2008 2:16 pm Post subject: |
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[quote="Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee"]
| Adventurer wrote: |
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| Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee wrote: |
| asylum seeker wrote: |
Wow, you really believe that? |
no , but that doesn't mean what left wingers say about Fox is accuate either. and it is safe to say that it is better than Al Jazzera. |
If you are less irritated by the biases of Fox vis-a-vis those of Al Jazeera you will naturally say that Fox is better than Al Jazeera. Obviously, you've seen some on the board say the opposite. Not everyone agrees that it is safe to say. I mean Fox has stated that Obama is a Muslim extremist and claiming without fact that Obama went to a madrassa. How bad can you get? Fox is owned by Rupert Murdoch, for crying out loud.
Fox is better than Al Jazeera? It's possible, but even if it were true, that's not saying much. |
Fox said Obama is a muslim extremist ?
could I see where they said that? |
Well Steve Douchey of Fox and Friends (their morning show) did report that Obama went to Muslim Madrassas when he was in Indonesia. |
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Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee
Joined: 25 May 2003
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| Posted: Mon Oct 20, 2008 2:56 pm Post subject: |
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| asylum seeker wrote: |
| Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee wrote: |
Anyway since you are a guy who trusts Chavez you have nothing to stand on |
Anyway since you're a guy who trusts Fox News you have nothing to stand on. |
depends on the program. |
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Kuros
Joined: 27 Apr 2004
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| Posted: Mon Oct 20, 2008 2:58 pm Post subject: |
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For all those who have been saying that Republicans are sinking so low, get ready for the egg on your face.
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| For all the ease of picking out fairly extreme scenes at political rallies, the American News Project has a compelling moment of the reverse at a McCain event in Northern Virginia: McCain backers responding to a man who, outside a rally, is handing out bumper stickers casting Obama as a Muslim, and explaining to the crowd how bad Islam is. |
There's all kinds of bigotry, even the Blue America kind.
[Edit: This message is NOT directed at the OP per se] |
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mises
Joined: 05 Nov 2007
Location: retired
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SirFink
Joined: 05 Mar 2006
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| Posted: Mon Oct 20, 2008 3:16 pm Post subject: |
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| Ya-ta Boy wrote: |
I don't get the Kool-Aid reference either. Since the 70's the only thing that has been connected to is the People's Temple true-believer thing where most of the victims happened to be black. |
Kool-Aid is dirt cheap and, thus, has been a popular beverage among many poor Americans, including poor African-Americans. It is sometimes referred to as "ghetto juice" for that reason.
The Jonestown thing gets brought up because there were so many black folks in it, but I don't think that's the implication. And to get real technical, it wasn't actually Kool-Aid at Jonestown, but a cheap knock-off called Flavor-Aidhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flavor_Aid. |
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Adventurer
Joined: 28 Jan 2006
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| Posted: Mon Oct 20, 2008 3:28 pm Post subject: |
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| Kuros wrote: |
For all those who have been saying that Republicans are sinking so low, get ready for the egg on your face.
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| For all the ease of picking out fairly extreme scenes at political rallies, the American News Project has a compelling moment of the reverse at a McCain event in Northern Virginia: McCain backers responding to a man who, outside a rally, is handing out bumper stickers casting Obama as a Muslim, and explaining to the crowd how bad Islam is. |
There's all kinds of bigotry, even the Blue America kind.
[Edit: This message is NOT directed at the OP per se] |
I think it goes without saying that there is racism and prejudice all over America. The GOP has had many people on Fox speaking about Obama having gone to a madrassa and making spurious allegations about him that are of a sectarian, prejudicial nature.
It is very understandable that the man at the video is a product of such propagandizing done by many in the media who support the GOP. There is kind of a contradiction created by trying to whip up fear vis-a-vis Obama at the end and the need to not be seen as fascist, bigoted etc..... It's really a slippery slope.
I don't think it was an accident that the Ayers thing was brought up.
It's because of some on the right trying to throw Muslim and terrorist at Obama, and now they're throwing socialism at the guy. Any thoughts on that? Why do you think the Ayers thing was brought up? It was because of the prejudicial views against the candidate, but an attempt to do it in a more PC way. At any rate, most Republicans are like those people who
told that guy to go away. I have no doubt about that, but this catering to prejudiced constitutes is too much. |
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bangbayed
Joined: 01 Dec 2005
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Mon Oct 20, 2008 5:22 pm Post subject: |
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| Agreed. The only egg on the face in that video is on the GOP for running a campaign that tightropes on issues of race, terrorism and socialism. This kind of thing is bound to be brought up, and when there's cameras around, smarter McCain supporters (I guess there are some) will come to shoo these guys away. The exception that proves the rule, really. |
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Kuros
Joined: 27 Apr 2004
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| Posted: Mon Oct 20, 2008 5:37 pm Post subject: |
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| bangbayed wrote: |
| The exception that proves the rule, really. |
That phrase makes no sense the way you're using it here. But I appreciate your summarized concurrence of Adventurer's thoughts. I couldn't make heads or tails of it. |
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Gopher
Joined: 04 Jun 2005
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| Posted: Mon Oct 20, 2008 5:44 pm Post subject: |
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| Kuros wrote: |
| For all those who have been saying that Republicans are sinking so low... |
Does this change your mind on your objection to my objection (I know: I just said "objection" twice) re: people's fallacious tendency to essentialize grass-roots Republicans as racists and fanatics? |
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Kuros
Joined: 27 Apr 2004
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| Posted: Mon Oct 20, 2008 6:02 pm Post subject: |
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| Gopher wrote: |
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| For all those who have been saying that Republicans are sinking so low... |
Does this change your mind on your objection to my objection (I know: I just said "objection" twice) re: people's fallacious tendency to essentialize grass-roots Republicans as racists and fanatics? |
A little bit. I've seen and heard the racism I've alleged. But, again, in KY the racism is pretty nasty. Nasty enough that you can't confine it to the Republican party. On the other hand, in other solid Republican states, like Idaho, I'd be pretty surprised to see the same kind of racism. So, you're right insofar as we should separate Republican from regional influences and regional Republicans.
Of course, there's the additional problem of the Southern Strategy, and the institutionalized racism of the GOP. But dwelling on that then doesn't get us very far now, when both parties have to work together.
But, at least in John McCain's campaign on this day, Republicans have stood up against their racist elements. And I congratulate them on that. |
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bangbayed
Joined: 01 Dec 2005
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Mon Oct 20, 2008 9:06 pm Post subject: |
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| A little bit. I've seen and heard the racism I've alleged. But, again, in KY the racism is pretty nasty. Nasty enough that you can't confine it to the Republican party. On the other hand, in other solid Republican states, like Idaho, I'd be pretty surprised to see the same kind of racism. So, you're right insofar as we should separate Republican from regional influences and regional Republicans. |
You really should get to know your country better:
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| Hayden Lake, Idaho � an otherwise peaceful community � was long considered by many white supremacists to be the "international headquarters of the White race," as Butler dubbed it. |
http://www.adl.org/learn/ext_us/aryan_nations.asp
And they're not the only ones with compounds in that state either.
Idaho is their Fatherland. |
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On the other hand
Joined: 19 Apr 2003
Location: I walk along the avenue
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| Posted: Mon Oct 20, 2008 11:19 pm Post subject: |
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Bang-Kuros exchange...
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bangbayed wrote:
The exception that proves the rule, really.
That phrase makes no sense the way you're using it here. But I appreciate your summarized concurrence of Adventurer's thoughts. I couldn't make heads or tails of it. |
Just for the record, the phrase "exception that proves the rule" does not mean what it is usually assumed to mean, ie. the rule becomes more solid as a result of an exception being demonstrated. The phrase dates from a time when the word "prove" meant something like "challenge". So, in its original meaning, it was meant as an admission that your opponent in a debate has undermined your point.
Under the current usage of the word "prove", the saying does not really make sense, since a rule becomes less, not more, solid when you show an exception to it.
Not trying to be a know-it-all here. I actually assumed the phrase meant that the rule was proven, in the modern sense of the word, until I read something somewhere about the discrepancy in meaning. |
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agentX
Joined: 12 Oct 2007
Location: Jeolla province
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| Posted: Mon Oct 20, 2008 11:29 pm Post subject: |
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| But, at least in John McCain's campaign on this day, Republicans have stood up against their racist elements. And I congratulate them on that. |
Unfortunately, the person in question, a Muslim community organizer for McCain (hahaha), was not allowed by the McCain campaign to speak to the media about that encounter with the racist voters.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/10/20/muslim-for-mccain-not-all_n_136324.html
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Daniel Zubairi, a Muslim McCain grassroots organizer who told racist rally attendees in Woodbridge, Virginia that the campaign didn't "endorse that behavior," was for some reason not allowed to talk to CNN about the incident.
Anchor Rick Sanchez said Zubairi was "ready and willing" to talk, but "the McCain camp won't let him do so." |
Apparently the McCain camp values the votes of racists more than the votes of non-racists. After all, that's all who are left to vote for them. |
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Kuros
Joined: 27 Apr 2004
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| Posted: Tue Oct 21, 2008 8:03 am Post subject: |
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| bangbayed wrote: |
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| A little bit. I've seen and heard the racism I've alleged. But, again, in KY the racism is pretty nasty. Nasty enough that you can't confine it to the Republican party. On the other hand, in other solid Republican states, like Idaho, I'd be pretty surprised to see the same kind of racism. So, you're right insofar as we should separate Republican from regional influences and regional Republicans. |
You really should get to know your country better:
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| Hayden Lake, Idaho � an otherwise peaceful community � was long considered by many white supremacists to be the "international headquarters of the White race," as Butler dubbed it. |
http://www.adl.org/learn/ext_us/aryan_nations.asp
And they're not the only ones with compounds in that state either.
Idaho is their Fatherland. |
One incident. That's all you got.
I know SOME PEOPLE like to take one person and extrapolate to an entire nation. But that's just weak thinking, aka prejudice. |
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