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saram_
Joined: 13 May 2008
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I think that this incident may become a milestone in Korean/Japan relations..
The Korean response/Aid help, donations etc has been pretty impressive I think..
A softening of attitudes here towards Japan is long overdue and I think this incident could be a major catalyst in closing ties between Japan and Korea..
Let's just hope the worst of the disaster is over and the rescue efforts become unimpeded now!!
Enough destruction and terror has been caused.. |
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Konglishman
Joined: 14 Sep 2007
Location: Nanjing
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| Posted: Mon Mar 14, 2011 3:20 am Post subject: |
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I'm a peace-loving guy and all that, but seriously is there any point when one could consider draconian measures such as cutting the tongues out of these lying sacks of sh*t an appropriate response?
I'm not against nuclear energy production per se, but the lying to the public nonsense has got to stop. |
Lying about what? |
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chris_J2
Joined: 17 Apr 2006
Location: From Brisbane, Au.
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| Posted: Mon Mar 14, 2011 4:02 am Post subject: quake & accident |
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| "There hasn't been any significant release of radiation. So obviously they must be doing something right at this point," said Singer. |
"Toshihiro Bannai, director of the international affairs office of Japan's Nuclear and Industrial Safety, in a telephone interview with CNN, stated that a meltdown was possible.[63][62]" News footage of the explosion contradicted reports by authorities that everything was under control.
"However, the Japanese prime minister soon indicated that a nuclear meltdown was not in progress and emphasized that the containment of Unit 1 was still intact."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fukushima_I_Nuclear_Power_Plant
In very simple English, no, yes, no. They can't BOTH be right.
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silkhighway
Joined: 24 Oct 2010
Location: Canada
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| Posted: Mon Mar 14, 2011 4:50 am Post subject: |
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| Chris, they're doing what we're doing, they're speculating. It's very hard to assign a risk level to an unprecedented event. |
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Kuros
Joined: 27 Apr 2004
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| Posted: Mon Mar 14, 2011 5:45 am Post subject: |
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The reactors at issue were built in the 70s. Thus, the designs for their coolant systems are dependent upon diesel pumps. Modern designs pump coolant through gravity, so there aren't sudden coolant shutdowns in emergencies. The cores have been shutdown, so they are at less than 10% capacity, but the fuel rods are still shedding atoms. Any core breaches involved, AFAIK, are due to the remaining accumulating heat that cannot be cooled because the diesel pumps were offline.
Again, this is what I've gathered from sources, and it could be incorrect. |
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visitorq
Joined: 11 Jan 2008
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| Posted: Mon Mar 14, 2011 6:10 am Post subject: |
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The reactors at issue were built in the 70s. Thus, the designs for their coolant systems are dependent upon diesel pumps. Modern designs pump coolant through gravity, so there aren't sudden coolant shutdowns in emergencies. The cores have been shutdown, so they are at less than 10% capacity, but the fuel rods are still shedding atoms. Any core breaches involved, AFAIK, are due to the remaining accumulating heat that cannot be cooled because the diesel pumps were offline.
Again, this is what I've gathered from sources, and it could be incorrect. |
Basically coolant water needs to constantly circulate to keep the fuel rods cool. The earthquake knocked out the primary system, and much of the water evaporated and leaked from the damaged reactor (along with radioactive materials)...
When the reactors were stopped, the fuel rods were separated from each other by a barrier (control rods are inserted) to prevent a major fission chain reaction, but if exposed out of water they still react and overheat (and start melting). The diesel backup was supposed to spray the rods with coolant, but this system failed as well.
So as a last resort they've been pumping sea water into the reactors (which is also leaking). From what I've been reading, the decision to flood the cores with sea water means they've basically decided to scrap the plants (which are outdated anyway).
There is very little chance of a major Chernobyl style meltdown; however the two main sources of radioactivity are coolant leakage from the reactors, and steam they have been releasing. |
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visitorq
Joined: 11 Jan 2008
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| Posted: Mon Mar 14, 2011 6:19 am Post subject: |
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| Konglishman wrote: |
| caniff wrote: |
I'm a peace-loving guy and all that, but seriously is there any point when one could consider draconian measures such as cutting the tongues out of these lying sacks of sh*t an appropriate response?
I'm not against nuclear energy production per se, but the lying to the public nonsense has got to stop. |
Lying about what? |
They lied about the explosion (saying it was merely the walls falling down from the quake when that was clearly BS). They also denied there being any meltdown or "significant" radioactive leakage, which was obviously disingenuous since they must have known what was really happening, and were even ordering an evacuation at that time. Basically keeping the public in the dark to avoid a PR disaster. |
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TL
Joined: 30 Mar 2008
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| Posted: Mon Mar 14, 2011 3:36 pm Post subject: |
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Possible explosion at reactor no. 2
markmackinnon Mark MacKinnon/马凯
Explosion heard at Fukusima No. 2 reactor, Japanese govt says. Radiation may be leaking from other damaged reactor. |
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visitorq
Joined: 11 Jan 2008
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| Posted: Mon Mar 14, 2011 4:21 pm Post subject: |
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Watching some of the videos, the explosion was really quite huge, sending a massive cloud of brown smoke (not steam) billowing hundreds of feet in the air. In the midst of such a blast, it's really hard to imagine how the core could have remained undamaged...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pIZKlaEZMLY
In my opinion, it seems much worse than what they're reporting. It's clear they're covering up the extent of it, but just how bad it is I'd really like to know. |
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silkhighway
Joined: 24 Oct 2010
Location: Canada
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| Posted: Mon Mar 14, 2011 4:29 pm Post subject: |
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Watching some of the videos, the explosion was really quite huge, sending a massive cloud of brown smoke (not steam) billowing hundreds of feet in the air. In the midst of such a blast, it's really hard to imagine how the core could have remained undamaged...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pIZKlaEZMLY
In my opinion, it seems much worse than what they're reporting. It's clear they're covering up the extent of it, but just how bad it is I'd really like to know. |
That video was the 2nd explosion, and Japan's nuclear watchdog verified the reactor containment wasn't breached. There's been a 3rd explosion this morning but I don't have any further details. |
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visitorq
Joined: 11 Jan 2008
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| Posted: Mon Mar 14, 2011 4:43 pm Post subject: |
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| silkhighway wrote: |
| visitorq wrote: |
Watching some of the videos, the explosion was really quite huge, sending a massive cloud of brown smoke (not steam) billowing hundreds of feet in the air. In the midst of such a blast, it's really hard to imagine how the core could have remained undamaged...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pIZKlaEZMLY
In my opinion, it seems much worse than what they're reporting. It's clear they're covering up the extent of it, but just how bad it is I'd really like to know. |
That video was the 2nd explosion, and Japan's nuclear watchdog verified the reactor containment wasn't breached. There's been a 3rd explosion this morning but I don't have any further details. |
Who verified what exactly? Seriously, the whole place just exploded violently, and we're supposed to believe the reactor is just sitting there untouched? How about the rest of the facility (piping, machinery etc. attached to the core). Is it just a pot of molten uranium sitting there in a containment vessel? I honestly don't get it, the whole situation seems absurd. |
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silkhighway
Joined: 24 Oct 2010
Location: Canada
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| Posted: Mon Mar 14, 2011 4:47 pm Post subject: |
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| visitorq wrote: |
| silkhighway wrote: |
| visitorq wrote: |
Watching some of the videos, the explosion was really quite huge, sending a massive cloud of brown smoke (not steam) billowing hundreds of feet in the air. In the midst of such a blast, it's really hard to imagine how the core could have remained undamaged...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pIZKlaEZMLY
In my opinion, it seems much worse than what they're reporting. It's clear they're covering up the extent of it, but just how bad it is I'd really like to know. |
That video was the 2nd explosion, and Japan's nuclear watchdog verified the reactor containment wasn't breached. There's been a 3rd explosion this morning but I don't have any further details. |
Who verified what exactly? Seriously, the whole place just exploded violently, and we're supposed to believe the reactor is just sitting there untouched? The whole situation seems absurd. |
Hey, don't shoot the messenger.  I too wonder how forethcoming and transparent they're being. ("Don't worry, everything's under control..Just stay home...maybe keep the windows shut and umm. try not to breathe too hard for the next couple hours..but err..everything's fine, really.") |
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visitorq
Joined: 11 Jan 2008
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| Posted: Mon Mar 14, 2011 4:50 pm Post subject: |
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| Hey, don't shoot the messenger. I too wonder how forethcoming and transparent they're being. ("Don't worry, everything's under control..Just stay home...maybe keep the windows shut and umm. try not to breathe too hard for the next couple hours..but err..everything's fine, really.") |
Ah sorry, it wasn't directed at you in any way... I find the whole thing pretty flustering though. |
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silkhighway
Joined: 24 Oct 2010
Location: Canada
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| Posted: Mon Mar 14, 2011 5:32 pm Post subject: |
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| visitorq wrote: |
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| Hey, don't shoot the messenger. I too wonder how forethcoming and transparent they're being. ("Don't worry, everything's under control..Just stay home...maybe keep the windows shut and umm. try not to breathe too hard for the next couple hours..but err..everything's fine, really.") |
Ah sorry, it wasn't directed at you in any way... I find the whole thing pretty flustering though. |
It is pretty frustrating, and it kind of reminds me of when I worked in Korea in a way. Every statement seems to ambiguous and filled with weasel words. I know it's partly cultural and language barrier, but it magnifies in my mind that they're not in control and taking full responsibility of the situation. |
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chris_J2
Joined: 17 Apr 2006
Location: From Brisbane, Au.
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| Posted: Mon Mar 14, 2011 7:50 pm Post subject: quake |
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Another thread had this very disturbing content:
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Guys, I am cross posting with the Current Events section just in case.
For those with friends and family in Japan, I've been reading some stuff on the net and it does not look good for the nuclear reactors in Fukushima.
The French are telling their people to leave Tokyo. It's here at FT.com.
http://www.ft.com/cms/s/50c822ae-4e45-11e0-a9fa-00144feab49a,Authorised=false.html?_i_location=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.ft.com%2Fcms%2Fs%2F0%2F50c822ae-4e45-11e0-a9fa-00144feab49a.html&_i_referer=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.godlikeproductions.com%2Fforum1%2Fmessage1393979%2Fpg1
The 3 reactors are in pile of heat and melting. The reading at the gate of the plant at 1 PM today (Japan) was around 8200 ms. That is NOT good. Apparently, one of the reactor's container pressure is down. It's probably cracked and leaking radiated coolants.
I've been looking at the live stream of a Geiger counter in Tokyo here for about 6 hours now. It's have been slowly, but SURELY, creeping up from 12.5 cpm. It's now at 22 cpm.
http://www.ustream.tv/channel/%E3%82%AC%E3%82%A4%E3%82%AC%E3%83%BC%E3%82%AB%E3%82%A6%E3%83%B3%E3%82%BF
The prognosis for the remaining 50 workers at the plant are not good. Many on this site are siting them as heroes, for they will perish at the plant.
If the wind direct does not change, now it's NNE, so it's blowing toward Tokyo, we will have major major catastrophe within 24 hours.
I saw the news conference that the suits from TEPCO (Tokyo Elec. Power Co.) gave this morning (Japan time) was total BS. They were evading questions like no tomorrow.
Guys, I am a recent member on this site. But, this picture is NOT good. I would tell you friends and family in Japan to consider removing themselves from Tokyo, or if possible, from Japan for now.
I salute those 50 remained at the plant. They will be remembered. Brave people.
Oh, and the #4 reactor blew as well. Holy mother of god. This is a history in making. Oh my god... |
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