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visitorq

Joined: 11 Jan 2008

Posted: Thu May 05, 2011 3:51 pm Post subject:

Fat_Elvis wrote:

I think they might have a point when they say that the birther argument boils down to one of race.

The stupidest thing I've ever heard. Race has nothing to do with it. Get a life already.

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It [a conspiracy theory] almost becomes an article of faith

An article of faith? You mean like the WMD's in Iraq, or the recent Osama killing hoax?

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But then it's from the New York Times, part of the left wing media establishment trying to bring about the communist New World Order, isn't it?

Pretty much. And they've got you trained like a lapdog to crack a lame joke every reality confronts you. I guess if you make fun of corruption, lies, and tyranny enough, it's almost like it doesn't exist?

Menino80

Joined: 10 Jun 2007
Location: Hodor?

Posted: Fri May 06, 2011 1:16 pm Post subject:

visitorq wrote:

Fat_Elvis wrote:

I think they might have a point when they say that the birther argument boils down to one of race.

The stupidest thing I've ever heard. Race has nothing to do with it. Get a life already.

Get a life huh? Ran out of arguments I see.

Birtherism is absolutely about race, it's part of longstanding American tradition of de-legitimizing the darker elements of our society.

Birtherism=bircherism

Kuros

Joined: 27 Apr 2004

Posted: Fri May 06, 2011 1:26 pm Post subject:

Menino80 wrote:

visitorq wrote:

Fat_Elvis wrote:

I think they might have a point when they say that the birther argument boils down to one of race.

The stupidest thing I've ever heard. Race has nothing to do with it. Get a life already.

Get a life huh? Ran out of arguments I see.

Birtherism is absolutely about race, it's part of longstanding American tradition of de-legitimizing the darker elements of our society.

Sure, it is. How many of the previous 40-odd Presidents had to release a long-form birth certificate.

I think electronic media has alienated so many people to the point where they can't trust anything. But, this specific controversy is about coded racism.

visitorq

Joined: 11 Jan 2008

Posted: Fri May 06, 2011 1:45 pm Post subject:

Menino80 wrote:

visitorq wrote:

Fat_Elvis wrote:

I think they might have a point when they say that the birther argument boils down to one of race.

The stupidest thing I've ever heard. Race has nothing to do with it. Get a life already.

Get a life huh? Ran out of arguments I see.

Not even close. Playing the race card is not an argument, it's a weak little cop-out. Right up your alley really.

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Sure, it is. How many of the previous 40-odd Presidents had to release a long-form birth certificate.

There was never any doubt about them. The notion that being black can be tied together with "un-American" is total nonsense. Black people have been living in the US for hundreds of years; they're as American as apple pie. If a black person born and raised in the deep south had been elected president, for example, it might bring some of the racists out (and really there aren't that many these days), but there would be no question about his/her birth citizenship. Obama, on the other hand, is Kenyan on his father's side (his whole family is from there) and he spent many years living out of the country and his past is very shady.

Plus his long form birth certificate available for download from the White House web page has 100% been altered; so shoddily you can even separate the layers in Adobe software with a simple right click and the fonts don't even match. Still waiting for the believers on here to fill me in on why that is...

Menino80

Joined: 10 Jun 2007
Location: Hodor?

Posted: Fri May 06, 2011 2:10 pm Post subject:

^ Prove it. The burden is proof on you and your aluminum encased little mind.

visitorq

Joined: 11 Jan 2008

Posted: Fri May 06, 2011 3:31 pm Post subject:

Menino80 wrote:

^ Prove it. The burden is proof on you and your aluminum encased little mind.

Prove what? That black people lived in the US for hundreds of years and are completely accepted as being just as American as whites?

As for the altered birth certificate file, I already gave simple instructions for downloading it verifying that it is layered (and therefore not an original scan).

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Anyone who has basic Adobe software can verify for themselves in 30 seconds that the certificate has been glaringly altered. Go straight to the horse's mouth at the White House web page:

http://www.whitehouse.gov/blog/2011/04/27/president-obamas-long-form-birth-certificate

Download the official pdf file provided, open it in Adobe Illustrator, move the image and right click to "release clipping mask". This exposes the hidden layers. Parts of the text in separate layers are darker, the signature is split into separate layers, and the fonts don't even match. It's fairly unbelievable just how sloppy and obvious it is. Now why exactly is this the case? Conspiracy theory?

Beyond that, if you can't even follow or figure out what what's going on in the debate, then quit wasting my time and just shut up already.

Nowhere Man

Joined: 08 Feb 2004

Posted: Fri May 06, 2011 4:02 pm Post subject: ...

ZOMG,

I see what you mean. A SHODDY PDF!

This pretend president will now go down in the annals of history with that sham, ABRAHAM LINCOLN!

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Get a life huh? Ran out of arguments I see.

Not even close.

Trust me. This dude is not kidding when he waves his hand. Discussion is done. It just IS.

The major problem afterwards is your failure.

I had trouble with this part. I mean, damn, we're talking WWII. Millions of people dying for a sham. BUT it got worse, the American Civil War was a sham, too.

Your tiddly-winks about the sham that this pdf is don't even register on the Q-scale, so don't even keep him pre-occupied.

Menino80

Joined: 10 Jun 2007
Location: Hodor?

Posted: Fri May 06, 2011 4:36 pm Post subject:

visitorq wrote:

Menino80 wrote:

^ Prove it. The burden is proof on you and your aluminum encased little mind.

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Beyond that, if you can't even follow or figure out what what's going on in the debate, then quit wasting my time and just shut up already.

Again, prove it. Don't give me instructions that reveal differing darknesses of font, PROVE IT. Make a youtube video, do the legwork, put it out there.

And THEN, link to an accredited source that corroborates that what you have "found" indicates forgery, in a legal sense.

But you won't. Because you're just a weird dude on the internet.

visitorq

Joined: 11 Jan 2008

Posted: Fri May 06, 2011 5:19 pm Post subject:

Menino80 wrote:

visitorq wrote:

Menino80 wrote:

^ Prove it. The burden is proof on you and your aluminum encased little mind.

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Beyond that, if you can't even follow or figure out what what's going on in the debate, then quit wasting my time and just shut up already.

I don't need to make a video, since it's already been done. If you really want to be schooled that bad, there are also plenty of other youtube videos uploaded that explain how it's a forgery. Here's a couple you can check out (though you probably won't, because you're just a weird dude on the internet)...

1) In this one the capital B's in his name (typed in 2 separate locations) are IDENTICAL, right down to the pixel (statistically impossible since typewriters produce slightly different copies of the letters each time they strike down, like no two snowflakes are the same).
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=USoWpLll4Cg

2) This one explains how some of the letters are 'kerned' (meaning some of the letters wrap into each others' space, to make the text visually appealing). It is not possible for typewriters to kern letters (since the typewriter cannot predict which letter will come next), only block printing or modern word processors can do this.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=85yVkL94_BU

There are other videos too, but all you really need is to just use common sense and look at the document itself in the original pdf.

Ex: - The background near the border areas is in a totally different resolution from the border behind the text (which is very noticeably blurred).
- In a scanned color image, the black text would ALWAYS have some chromatic aberration (colors, like pink) around the edges. In the White House (color) pdf, the text is absolute solid black, which means it was typed or drawn in digitally. Full stop. Anyone who has ever made a color scan in their lives could tell you this.
- Some of the text is light, faded gray, along side the absolute black text (which, to repeat, is impossible to have in a scanned image).
- The spacing in a typewriter should be consistent, but it is very inconsistent in the White House Document.
- Some of the fonts don't even match.

No doubt there are many other points I could include (though I'm certainly no expert). But it is such a ridiculous forgery, however, that you don't really need to do anything other than look at it for a minute. The flaws are immediately visible at a glance.

Menino80

Joined: 10 Jun 2007
Location: Hodor?

Posted: Fri May 06, 2011 7:51 pm Post subject:

THOSE VIDEOS ARE FORGERIES!!!!!!! THE PIXELATION HUE RATIO IS PRE-UPDATE AND HAS BEEN DISCONTINUED SINCE THE GREAT BROWSER RE CONFIGURATION OF '09!111!!

sirius black

Joined: 04 Jun 2010

Posted: Fri May 06, 2011 11:17 pm Post subject: Re: White House Releases President Obama's Birth Certificate

Madigan wrote:

sirius black wrote:

Was McCain on that list?

So, if McCain was elected, then you'd have the same problem with him?

visitorq

Joined: 11 Jan 2008

Posted: Sat May 07, 2011 3:20 am Post subject:

Menino80 wrote:

THOSE VIDEOS ARE FORGERIES!!!!!!! THE PIXELATION HUE RATIO IS PRE-UPDATE AND HAS BEEN DISCONTINUED SINCE THE GREAT BROWSER RE CONFIGURATION OF '09!111!!

Except if you had a few minutes of spare time (which you clearly do) and more than two braincells to rub together (not so sure about that one) you could emulate the results for yourself on your own computer. I did it. The evidence doesn't lie. If you have an alternate explanation for the results presented above, then by all means share it. In the meantime, you're just wasting everyone's time and being really obnoxious.

Madigan

Joined: 15 Oct 2010

Posted: Sat May 07, 2011 9:08 am Post subject:

Whodathunk? Just as soon as the self-professed citizen experts at the WorldNutDaily were demanding more answers about the long-form birth certificate, the liberal establishment resorted to puerile exclamations of racism. To wit:

The NYT wrote:

With sardonic resignation, President Obama, an eminently rational man, stared directly into political irrationality on Wednesday and released his birth certificate to history. More than halfway through his term, the president felt obliged to prove that he was a legitimate occupant of the Oval Office. It was a profoundly low and debasing moment in American political life.

The disbelief fairly dripped from Mr. Obama as he stood at the West Wing lectern. People are out of work, American soldiers are dying overseas and here were cameras to record him stating that he was born in a Hawaii hospital. It was particularly galling to us that it was in answer to a baseless attack with heavy racial undertones.

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So it will not quiet the most avid attackers. Several quickly questioned its authenticity. That�s because the birther question was never really about citizenship; it was simply a proxy for those who never accepted the president�s legitimacy, for a toxic mix of reasons involving ideology, deep political anger and, most insidious of all, race. It was originally promulgated by fringe figures of the radical right, but mainstream Republican leaders allowed it to simmer to satisfy those who are inflamed by Mr. Obama�s presence in the White House.

...

There was a price to the party for keeping the issue alive; inevitably, it was picked up by a cartoon candidate, Donald Trump, who rode birtherism directly to the prime-time promontories of cable TV. The Republican establishment began to wince as it became increasingly tied to Mr. Trump�s flirtations with racial provocation, and Karl Rove told him to knock it off. Naturally, he did not.

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/04/28/opinion/28thu1.html?_r=1

And the accusations of racism come from the liberal establishment's thought leaders at the New York Times Editorial Board, no less. What is it about the left's supposed intellectual heavyweights that they can't seriously entertain thoughtful debate without resorting to catcalls of stupidity (indeed "anti-intellectualism"), greed or racism?

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704463804576291082321218962.html

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748703922804576301162877959524.html

Last edited by Madigan on Sat May 07, 2011 9:11 am; edited 1 time in total

Madigan

Joined: 15 Oct 2010

Posted: Sat May 07, 2011 9:09 am Post subject: Re: White House Releases President Obama's Birth Certificate

sirius black wrote:

Madigan wrote:

sirius black wrote:

Was McCain on that list?

So, if McCain was elected, then you'd have the same problem with him?

huh

Menino80

Joined: 10 Jun 2007
Location: Hodor?

Posted: Sat May 07, 2011 9:16 am Post subject:

Madigan wrote:

And the accusations of racism come from the liberal establishment's thought leaders at the New York Times Editorial Board, no less. What is it about the left's supposed intellectual heavyweights that they can't seriously entertain thoughtful debate without resorting to catcalls of stupidity (indeed "anti-intellectualism"), greed or racism?

probably the fact that much of the GOP is beholden to an alternatively stupid, racist or greedy base (AKA "the elderly")

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