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Korean government now targeting Starbucks & McDonald's
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Weigookin74



Joined: 26 Oct 2009

PostPosted: Mon Dec 16, 2013 10:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

cam83 wrote:
I don't drink coffee but spend pretty much every Saturday daytime there (whilst I work from my laptop). I don't think the drinks at SB are anything special and tbh prefer some of the drinks at say Caffe Bene. But one thing Starbucks is much better at, is providing a very good atmosphere. The small details make a big difference.

1. The seats - in terms of ergonomics, they are much more comfortable to sit in for long periods (you can sleep on the sofas no problem... and they often have quite a few), then notice the table sizes... whilst they do have smaller round ones, they also have plenty of large square ones, so even with 2 people, you can both use laptops. They often have dedicated tables/kiosk areas specifically for laptops/people to study.

2. Space - again, this is down to ergonomics... the seating/tables are all well spaced out from each other. The last Angel-In-Us I went to, I had to navigate through a maze of tables, whilst having to disturb people to let me by. A pushchair in the aisle is also adding to obstruction, whereas in SB, I have seen plenty of families come in with kids and whilst dragging 6 chairs around a small table can be annoying, pushchairs/wheelchairs have rarely been an issue.

3. Music - instead of blasting the latest kpop from the radio (this happens in Bene & Angel), the music is usually chilled (Bob Marley, Morcheeba, Bonobo etc).

4. People - because of the perception Starbucks has... it's very rare you will meet someone who goes there just because of the coffee. Coffee shops are a cool place to network... especially during the Korean 5 month winter. I have met other creatives (Korean and foreign) during my 'work' session, I've made a few friends and has even led to job offers. In Angel/Homestead/Holly's/Twosome, it feels less sociable and is often over-run with couples during the weekend.

5. Employees - I speak enough Korean to get by in life here but I feel at SB they make an extra effort to make you feel comfortable, whereas in some of the other chains, I feel like they are just doing their job. Nothing wrong with that of course, but when I'm in SB I feel they are more friendly, and if there is some special offer or promotion, they'll explain it to me (usually in English).

Ps, these days I'm around Itaewon more often but the last 4-5yrs have been around Gangnam station or in Apgujeong/Cheongdam along Rodeo.

Pps, some very cool independent places in HBC, I don't go there much (too ESL wananbe hipsters), so can't recall the names.


I think this Starbucks rule applies when you live in Seoul, not outside. Lol. But if I ever live in Seoul, I'll remember that. Ha ha.

But, at least Angel N Us is playing way more western music compared to some of the others like Tom N Toms, Caffe Benne, and the local shops. They play a lot of western pop and other types of songs lately.
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KimchiNinja



Joined: 01 May 2012
Location: Gangnam

PostPosted: Thu Dec 19, 2013 12:01 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

cam83 wrote:

5. Employees - I speak enough Korean to get by in life here but I feel at SB they make an extra effort to make you feel comfortable, whereas in some of the other chains, I feel like they are just doing their job. Nothing wrong with that of course, but when I'm in SB I feel they are more friendly, and if there is some special offer or promotion, they'll explain it to me (usually in English).


Yes better English.

Cafe Bene girls are hotter though, SBUX is equal opportunity and employs fatties. Sad
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dairyairy



Joined: 17 May 2012
Location: South Korea

PostPosted: Thu Dec 19, 2013 12:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

KimchiNinja wrote:
cam83 wrote:

5. Employees - I speak enough Korean to get by in life here but I feel at SB they make an extra effort to make you feel comfortable, whereas in some of the other chains, I feel like they are just doing their job. Nothing wrong with that of course, but when I'm in SB I feel they are more friendly, and if there is some special offer or promotion, they'll explain it to me (usually in English).


Yes better English.

Cafe Bene girls are hotter though, SBUX is equal opportunity and employs fatties. Sad


You mean "fat for Korea" which means weighs more than 45KG? Oh, the humanity!
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KimchiNinja



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PostPosted: Thu Dec 19, 2013 12:41 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

dairyairy wrote:


You mean "fat for Korea" which means weighs more than 45KG? Oh, the humanity!


Doing the conversion...no, weighing over 54kg.

Why should the customer have to suffer a fattie when the company could just hire a person of nomal weight!
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atwood



Joined: 26 Dec 2009

PostPosted: Thu Dec 19, 2013 4:19 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

KimchiNinja wrote:
dairyairy wrote:


You mean "fat for Korea" which means weighs more than 45KG? Oh, the humanity!


Doing the conversion...no, weighing over 54kg.

Why should the customer have to suffer a fattie when the company could just hire a person of nomal weight!

That's just more to love.
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Weigookin74



Joined: 26 Oct 2009

PostPosted: Thu Dec 19, 2013 8:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

dairyairy wrote:
KimchiNinja wrote:
cam83 wrote:

5. Employees - I speak enough Korean to get by in life here but I feel at SB they make an extra effort to make you feel comfortable, whereas in some of the other chains, I feel like they are just doing their job. Nothing wrong with that of course, but when I'm in SB I feel they are more friendly, and if there is some special offer or promotion, they'll explain it to me (usually in English).


Yes better English.

Cafe Bene girls are hotter though, SBUX is equal opportunity and employs fatties. Sad


You mean "fat for Korea" which means weighs more than 45KG? Oh, the humanity!


Fattie today or fattie 3 years ago? A fattie 3 or 4 years ago was so hot! They were still slim, but had a little T & A. Spectacular!! Recently, um, well, not as much.... (Getting bigger....)
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