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Adam Carolla
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Also, and finally, I'm not going to re-watch that video. I've seen excellent educators in action. I've seen clowns posing as educators in action. With this particular video, I'll just keep it simple. I can't define pornography, but I certainly know it when I see it.
Similarly, I can't define what makes one a freaky waygook, but I certainly know it when I see it. |
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Fuzzy_Dunlop
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I told you already many times it doesn't interest me. Answering these questions is going to prompt more of a discussion on the subject from you (100%) and I have no intention of falling into that boring trap. I'm not a teacher at the moment these things do not interest me unless I'm in the mood. So I'm going to bite and say I can't answer them (yep), doesn't bother me even if this was true.
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Well, We all knew this already. It's okay. Not everybody's cut out to be an educator.
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Appealing to popularity is not the same as appearing presentable, also wanting to be well liked is nothing to be ashamed of... most people generally do, so what? I'm attacking his methods of transferring teaching knowledge, it's not socially acceptable and he'd get strong opinions if he did this back in the west. Also not wearing shoes = unhygienic no two ways around it. |
You don't know what an appeal to popularity means either, do you? I'd have thought an obvious genius such as yourself would be more logical (and better at math, to be honest). |
So, the big takeaway from this discussion is pretty simple.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunning%E2%80%93Kruger_effect
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| The Dunning–Kruger effect is a cognitive bias in which relatively unskilled persons suffer illusory superiority, mistakenly assessing their ability to be much higher than it really is. Dunning and Kruger attributed this bias to a metacognitive inability of the unskilled to recognize their own ineptitude and evaluate their own ability accurately. Their research also suggests corollaries: highly skilled individuals may underestimate their relative competence and may erroneously assume that tasks which are easy for them are also easy for others. |
Fuzzy, you may be able to figure out the direction this is going. |
So, you don't know what it means either? |
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Scott in Incheon
Joined: 30 Aug 2004
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Fuzzy,
You haven't answered your own questions. At some point shouldn't you give your own answers.
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Well what do you think they learned?
What do you think the aim of the activity was?
Given that we only saw one stage of a whole lesson, where in the lesson do you think this stage took place?
Which key linguistic features would the learners need to be able to complete the activity successfully?
Are there any features of speech that you saw in the video that might provide learning opportunities? |
There is no indication that they have learned anything. All we see is a repetition chant...we don't even know if they understand what they are saying until the end when someone asks for clarification. They are never asked to use the language, so we don't know if they have learned anything.
This could be a pre-learning section so perhaps they aren't supposed to be learning anything yet. The instructor might be just introducing them to the style of Genki English and so they are not supposed to learn.
It is almost impossible to figure out the aim of the lesson without knowing the context. Teachers in training learning a new technique....new Genki teachers learning the style....language learners learning a chant....without knowing the background, it would fairly hard to decide the aim.
Even if you take it at face value...and it is just a chant. You can't be sure if the new vocabulary is the objective....or he q & a format is the objective.
It is a chant with nothing new added by the student. I don't think you need any linguistic knowledge. Listening and pronunciation skills seem to be needed, but learners can complete chant activities without ever really knowing the language...unless they are asked to do something.
There are lots of opps for teaching and learning with chants...but it would be difficult to answer most of your questions without knowing more about the teaching context.
The presenter/instructor/s style is Genki English style. I think he is modeling the sort of teaching that goes well with the Genki program. I think he might be farily high up in the Genki world as he is in many of their videos.
His sandals are on the floor.....he might have taken them off because he knew he would be moving so much. |
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Fuzzy_Dunlop
Joined: 18 Jun 2014
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Fuzzy,
You haven't answered your own questions. At some point shouldn't you give your own answers. |
Fair enough. The questions were aimed at those who tore down the teacher and the activity, so my thinking was that THEY should provide the reasons why it was a poor lesson. I wanted to see if they had any pedagogical basis for their criticism instead of unfounded ad hominem attacks on the teacher (not to mention the old appeal to popularity - "most people think it was a bad lesson/freaky teacher, so it was a bad lesson/freaky teacher). But you're right, I'll put in my two cents.
I wasn't trying to get someone to do my homework for me 
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| Well what do you think they learned? |
| Scott in Incheon wrote: |
There is no indication that they have learned anything. All we see is a repetition chant...we don't even know if they understand what they are saying until the end when someone asks for clarification. They are never asked to use the language, so we don't know if they have learned anything. |
Poorly written question on my part, but I agree with your answer. We have no idea of the "learners'" prior knowledge and we did not see any kind of assessment or free/freer production of the target language that indicates that learning took place.
Upon further thought, you might be able to check for comprehension (to some extent) through the use of gestures. If the learners perform the wrong gesture at the wrong word, it could indicate an issue with meaning. On the other hand, they may just remember the sequence of gestures as they relate to the song, which doesn't tell you much.
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What do you think the aim of the activity was? |
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It is almost impossible to figure out the aim of the lesson without knowing the context. Teachers in training learning a new technique....new Genki teachers learning the style....language learners learning a chant....without knowing the background, it would fairly hard to decide the aim.
Even if you take it at face value...and it is just a chant. You can't be sure if the new vocabulary is the objective....or he q & a format is the objective.
There are lots of opps for teaching and learning with chants...but it would be difficult to answer most of your questions without knowing more about the teaching context.
The presenter/instructor/s style is Genki English style. I think he is modeling the sort of teaching that goes well with the Genki program. I think he might be farily high up in the Genki world as he is in many of their videos.
His sandals are on the floor.....he might have taken them off because he knew he would be moving so much. |
Well, I was speaking in terms of the stage aim, not the overall lesson. However, I think it's pretty clear that the aim of the activity was to proved the learners with restricted spoken practice of the lesson's target language.
The question is, what was the target language? Without context it's hard to know for sure. However, I think from what we saw that you could confidently assume that it was probably systems based lesson of some sort, probably lexis in the context of "School". Not for sure, but that would be my guess. To a lesser degree of possibility it could have been a grammar lesson on wh-questions in the simple present (supported with lexis) but the presence in the video of only one example of that form suggests it was not a main aim.
So, if I had to make my guess?
Main aim: To introduce learners to the lexical items (form, meaning, pronunciation) identifying school subjects
Sub-aim 1 (perhaps): to review and provide further practice of the form "What's you favourite _________?"
Sub-aim 2: to provide spoken practice of the lesson's target language
Again, as you said, we can't know for sure without context - but I think we can make educated guesses.
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Given that we only saw one stage of a whole lesson, where in the lesson do you think this stage took place? |
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| This could be a pre-learning section so perhaps they aren't supposed to be learning anything yet. The instructor might be just introducing them to the style of Genki English and so they are not supposed to learn. |
I could see that. I see that activity as being both a warm-up or review used at the beginning of a lesson to review a previous lesson's target language, or at the end of a systems-based lesson to practice that lesson's TL. You wouldn't want it as the final stage because ideally you'd hope to transition to free (or at least semi-restricted/freer) production. Then we'd be able to answer question number one (what did they learn?).
I like your thoughts on the meta-lesson - getting the learners to learn how they will learn (or to learn how they can teach an activity in the case of trainee teachers). So, the aim could be - to introduce learners to the concept of Genki English.
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| Which key linguistic features would the learners need to be able to complete the activity successfully? |
| Scott in Incheon wrote: |
| It is a chant with nothing new added by the student. I don't think you need any linguistic knowledge. Listening and pronunciation skills seem to be needed, but learners can complete chant activities without ever really knowing the language...unless they are asked to do something. |
I agree. Given the restricted nature of the spoken practice, they really only need to know the pronunciation. The activity could be completed without knowing the form or meaning of the target lexis. We would hope that there would be an opportunity for free/freer practice at a later stage or in the next lesson.
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| Are there any features of speech that you saw in the video that might provide learning opportunities? |
For me, one of them would be looking at some features of connected speech (e.g. What's your) that could be pointed out during the pron portion of introducing the new lexical items. Depending on the level you might point out the use and pron of the "what is" contraction, the reduced form of "your", or even the pron of the phrase linked together "what's your"=/wʌts jʊər/. They will be used during the chant.
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| His sandals are on the floor.....he might have taken them off because he knew he would be moving so much. |
I agree. There are a lot of legitimate reasons he could removed his sandals. We didn't see the whole lesson.
To sum up:
We saw one activity. The aim seems to have been to provide restricted spoken practice of the lesson's TL. The learners were completely engaged. At the very end we saw the instructor begin to give feedback. It was a good activity, nothing for anyone to be ashamed of.
Some posters thought the activity was inappropriate or not there style but saw that it was a well-delivered activity.
Some posters (for whatever reasons we'll never know) decided to use the opportunity to run down someone they've never met (as well as the learners) and could provide no logical reason for doing so. It was those posters I was calling out. |
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drcrazy
Joined: 19 Feb 2003
Location: Pusan. Yes, that's right. Pusan NOT Busan. I ain't never been to no place called Busan
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I agree that the students learned something. The guy could have been wearing a yellow chicken costume and juggling eggs and learning could have taken place. However, there isn't really a need to do this with adults.
This type of thing has its place when working with five year olds. I wouldn't do it with older kids or adults. That's just me. |
He may have been training the adults to teach. Ed already mentioned loop input.
For me? If it engages them, I would use music, songs, and gestures. You don't have to use the same song or style, but the video doesn't lie. They were in to it. |
That's a point. He may have been teaching them how to engage kindergarten kids. I would be ok with that. |
I said this! You are cherry picking! |
My cactus is now more interesting. It did grow almost 2 inches last year. Good Night.  |
Since my last post my cactus has grown .001 inches. |
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edwardcatflap
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I agree that the students learned something. The guy could have been wearing a yellow chicken costume and juggling eggs and learning could have taken place. However, there isn't really a need to do this with adults.
This type of thing has its place when working with five year olds. I wouldn't do it with older kids or adults. That's just me. |
He may have been training the adults to teach. Ed already mentioned loop input.
For me? If it engages them, I would use music, songs, and gestures. You don't have to use the same song or style, but the video doesn't lie. They were in to it. |
That's a point. He may have been teaching them how to engage kindergarten kids. I would be ok with that. |
I said this! You are cherry picking! |
My cactus is now more interesting. It did grow almost 2 inches last year. Good Night. |
Since my last post my cactus has grown .001 inches. |
Tee Hee. Pretty sure no one's going to respond to this discussion properly now as Fuzzy laid out a pretty comprehensive argument as to why we shouldn't really judge that short clip negatively on any pedagogical grounds.
I'd also be pretty surprised if the likes of John ML or Adam Carolla had enough knowledge of the profession to respond and dispute the argument in teaching terms. Sure they're entitled to think the guy in question is weird/uncool/a dick etc...in other less complex contexts, but that probably tells us all more about them than the teacher. |
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drcrazy
Joined: 19 Feb 2003
Location: Pusan. Yes, that's right. Pusan NOT Busan. I ain't never been to no place called Busan
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| Fuzzy_Dunlop wrote: |
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I agree that the students learned something. The guy could have been wearing a yellow chicken costume and juggling eggs and learning could have taken place. However, there isn't really a need to do this with adults.
This type of thing has its place when working with five year olds. I wouldn't do it with older kids or adults. That's just me. |
He may have been training the adults to teach. Ed already mentioned loop input.
For me? If it engages them, I would use music, songs, and gestures. You don't have to use the same song or style, but the video doesn't lie. They were in to it. |
That's a point. He may have been teaching them how to engage kindergarten kids. I would be ok with that. |
I said this! You are cherry picking! |
My cactus is now more interesting. It did grow almost 2 inches last year. Good Night. |
Since my last post my cactus has grown .001 inches. |
Tee Hee. Pretty sure no one's going to respond to this discussion properly now as Fuzzy laid out a pretty comprehensive argument as to why we shouldn't really judge that short clip negatively on any pedagogical grounds.
I'd also be pretty surprised if the likes of John ML or Adam Carolla had enough knowledge of the profession to respond and dispute the argument in teaching terms. Sure they're entitled to think the guy in question is weird/uncool/a dick etc...in other less complex contexts, but that probably tells us all more about them than the teacher. |
CACTUS UPDATE: In one day it grew 0.00001746862729876 inches  |
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Adam Carolla
Joined: 26 Feb 2010
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| Fuzzy_Dunlop wrote: |
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I agree that the students learned something. The guy could have been wearing a yellow chicken costume and juggling eggs and learning could have taken place. However, there isn't really a need to do this with adults.
This type of thing has its place when working with five year olds. I wouldn't do it with older kids or adults. That's just me. |
He may have been training the adults to teach. Ed already mentioned loop input.
For me? If it engages them, I would use music, songs, and gestures. You don't have to use the same song or style, but the video doesn't lie. They were in to it. |
That's a point. He may have been teaching them how to engage kindergarten kids. I would be ok with that. |
I said this! You are cherry picking! |
My cactus is now more interesting. It did grow almost 2 inches last year. Good Night. |
Since my last post my cactus has grown .001 inches. |
Tee Hee. Pretty sure no one's going to respond to this discussion properly now as Fuzzy laid out a pretty comprehensive argument as to why we shouldn't really judge that short clip negatively on any pedagogical grounds.
I'd also be pretty surprised if the likes of John ML or Adam Carolla had enough knowledge of the profession to respond and dispute the argument in teaching terms. Sure they're entitled to think the guy in question is weird/uncool/a dick etc...in other less complex contexts, but that probably tells us all more about them than the teacher. |
Ok, let me tell you a quick story then that proves/disproves your point. There are very few people who I immediately dislike, but there have been a handful in my lifetime.
Example 1: An adult married male who was a friend of my sister. Neither my father, nor I, were able to put a finger on why we didn't like this guy. Fast forward a couple years, he turned out to be a pedophile who molested his step-daughter.
Example 2: One of my close friends in Korea had another friend he liked to hang out with. I immediately despised the guy for no good reason. Turns out, he was cheating on his very faithful and lovely wife while pretending to be going on ski trips.
Example 3: My brother in law took a tumble down some stairs and needed to be seen by a neurologist. Again, the guy (his assigned neurologist) appeared to be an asshat (to me.) Turns out, surprise surprise, he was also a pedophile.
So you'll forgive me, Mr. Edwardcatflap, that when my gut tells me someone is "a bit off" that I don't listen to my gut even though I may lack the necessary teaching background to elucidate exactly why I feel that way. That, or you can go blow yourself. Either way, my internal compass has more than proven itself over the years that I don't give a rat's ass what you think about me, or my ability to judge people.
(Also, and now this is the part where I'll be condescending. I made more money than you while I was in Korea. I had a better position than you currently have. I make more money than you do now. I have a nicer car, a better house, a hotter wife, and cuter kids. Why? Pretty simple. I'm extremely competent at everything I do. So, go ahead and judge me all you like, but at the end of the day, fall asleep knowing that, despite however much knowledge of the teaching profession you may have over me, I still trump you in LIFE.) |
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Patong Dong
Joined: 06 May 2003
Location: On Nut
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Adam Carolla:" (Also, and now this is the part where I'll be condescending. I made more money than you while I was in Korea. I had a better position than you currently have. I make more money than you do now. I have a nicer car, a better house, a hotter wife, and cuter kids. Why? Pretty simple. I'm extremely competent at everything I do. So, go ahead and judge me all you like, but at the end of the day, fall asleep knowing that, despite however much knowledge of the teaching profession you may have over me, I still trump you in LIFE.)"
Just to help you, that didn't come across as condescending. It makes it pretty clear you don't have those things, and that you don't actually believe you trump anybody in life. Because if you did have all that, you wouldn't be here or feel the need to make those claims. Just think about it.
Now, is there anyway this thread could be pulled back to talking about the absolue douchey response that to a post that started this whole thread? Probably not. |
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Adam Carolla
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Adam Carolla:" (Also, and now this is the part where I'll be condescending. I made more money than you while I was in Korea. I had a better position than you currently have. I make more money than you do now. I have a nicer car, a better house, a hotter wife, and cuter kids. Why? Pretty simple. I'm extremely competent at everything I do. So, go ahead and judge me all you like, but at the end of the day, fall asleep knowing that, despite however much knowledge of the teaching profession you may have over me, I still trump you in LIFE.)"
Just to help you, that didn't come across as condescending. It makes it pretty clear you don't have those things, and that you don't actually believe you trump anybody in life. Because if you did have all that, you wouldn't be here or feel the need to make those claims. Just think about it.
Now, is there anyway this thread could be pulled back to talking about the absolue douchey response that to a post that started this whole thread? Probably not. |
So you are one of those people who is unable to evaluate the veracity of what they read? Enjoy living just north of poverty. |
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Patong Dong
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| Let go of the bitterness. Don't judge yourself based on others. How I live should be of no interest to you. The fact that it is, and you feel the need to insult and belittle, only refelcts on your true status. Not mine. |
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edwardcatflap
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| Also, and now this is the part where I'll be condescending. I made more money than you while I was in Korea. I had a better position than you currently have. I make more money than you do now. I have a nicer car, a better house, a hotter wife, and cuter kids. Why? Pretty simple. I'm extremely competent at everything I do. So, go ahead and judge me all you like, but at the end of the day, fall asleep knowing that, despite however much knowledge of the teaching profession you may have over me, I still trump you in LIFE.) |
You mean this job? You think this is the highest paying job in Korean TEFL? Jeez you're delusional.
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There are jobs out there, but they are hard to find. Also, I've been out of the game for quite some time. However, my last job was 2.5 million +500k housing +500k head teacher bonus +500k for after school program (2 hours/week.)
My work load was 22 forty minute classes plus the 2 hours/week of after school classes. In at 8, out by 4, 6-7 weeks vacation.
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I made more than that when I first arrived in Korea back in 2003. How many years did it take you to work yourself up to that awesome set of work conditions? Wow they gave you a whole 500k for housing! They must have thought you were 'extremely competent'. Did you manage to find a big enough studio to fit you, your hot wife and all your cute kids into? 
And I really envy your 'head teacher' position. Did that mean you had control over the whole curriculum and the way the school was run? Or was it just that you had to relay bad news from management and sub teachers who were off sick? I'm sure it was the former. Or maybe the MOE paid you extra to visit the other schools in the area and root out the pedaphiles, with your amazing powers of intuition?
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I actually find it pretty hilarious that this guy, apart from coming across as a total dick, is talking like he's Alec Baldwin out of Glengarry Glenross about a 3,000 dollar a month job teaching kids English in Korea.
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northway
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Adam Carolla:" (Also, and now this is the part where I'll be condescending. I made more money than you while I was in Korea. I had a better position than you currently have. I make more money than you do now. I have a nicer car, a better house, a hotter wife, and cuter kids. Why? Pretty simple. I'm extremely competent at everything I do. So, go ahead and judge me all you like, but at the end of the day, fall asleep knowing that, despite however much knowledge of the teaching profession you may have over me, I still trump you in LIFE.)"
Just to help you, that didn't come across as condescending. It makes it pretty clear you don't have those things, and that you don't actually believe you trump anybody in life. Because if you did have all that, you wouldn't be here or feel the need to make those claims. Just think about it.
Now, is there anyway this thread could be pulled back to talking about the absolue douchey response that to a post that started this whole thread? Probably not. |
So you are one of those people who is unable to evaluate the veracity of what they read? Enjoy living just north of poverty. |
Dodge? Radius? Is that you? |
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JohnML
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| Adam Carolla wrote: |
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| tophatcat wrote: |
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| Fuzzy_Dunlop wrote: |
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I agree that the students learned something. The guy could have been wearing a yellow chicken costume and juggling eggs and learning could have taken place. However, there isn't really a need to do this with adults.
This type of thing has its place when working with five year olds. I wouldn't do it with older kids or adults. That's just me. |
He may have been training the adults to teach. Ed already mentioned loop input.
For me? If it engages them, I would use music, songs, and gestures. You don't have to use the same song or style, but the video doesn't lie. They were in to it. |
That's a point. He may have been teaching them how to engage kindergarten kids. I would be ok with that. |
I said this! You are cherry picking! |
My cactus is now more interesting. It did grow almost 2 inches last year. Good Night. |
Since my last post my cactus has grown .001 inches. |
Tee Hee. Pretty sure no one's going to respond to this discussion properly now as Fuzzy laid out a pretty comprehensive argument as to why we shouldn't really judge that short clip negatively on any pedagogical grounds.
I'd also be pretty surprised if the likes of John ML or Adam Carolla had enough knowledge of the profession to respond and dispute the argument in teaching terms. Sure they're entitled to think the guy in question is weird/uncool/a dick etc...in other less complex contexts, but that probably tells us all more about them than the teacher. |
Ok, let me tell you a quick story then that proves/disproves your point. There are very few people who I immediately dislike, but there have been a handful in my lifetime.
Example 1: An adult married male who was a friend of my sister. Neither my father, nor I, were able to put a finger on why we didn't like this guy. Fast forward a couple years, he turned out to be a pedophile who molested his step-daughter.
Example 2: One of my close friends in Korea had another friend he liked to hang out with. I immediately despised the guy for no good reason. Turns out, he was cheating on his very faithful and lovely wife while pretending to be going on ski trips.
Example 3: My brother in law took a tumble down some stairs and needed to be seen by a neurologist. Again, the guy (his assigned neurologist) appeared to be an asshat (to me.) Turns out, surprise surprise, he was also a pedophile.
So you'll forgive me, Mr. Edwardcatflap, that when my gut tells me someone is "a bit off" that I don't listen to my gut even though I may lack the necessary teaching background to elucidate exactly why I feel that way. That, or you can go blow yourself. Either way, my internal compass has more than proven itself over the years that I don't give a rat's ass what you think about me, or my ability to judge people.
(Also, and now this is the part where I'll be condescending. I made more money than you while I was in Korea. I had a better position than you currently have. I make more money than you do now. I have a nicer car, a better house, a hotter wife, and cuter kids. Why? Pretty simple. I'm extremely competent at everything I do. So, go ahead and judge me all you like, but at the end of the day, fall asleep knowing that, despite however much knowledge of the teaching profession you may have over me, I still trump you in LIFE.) |
Why are you getting angry at them? They have no counter to the fact that this guy is universally seen as a joke, their original response was the same as ours because this
is exactly how people feel - he is something to cringe at. They've all of a sudden changed their tune and that's fine but most people won't (they are all teachers). Someone that age should have a lot more respect for their image than he does, he just seems like he's missing a few screws/hasn't grown up. Out of 4 people I've shown this (who are not teachers) all of them have shaken their head, laughed or raised their eyebrow.
If this is what the guy wants to do then fine but the world will judge him for it whether people here like that or not, they actually know this is how people feel but are trying to ignore that point. I know he probably isn't but I completely get the pedo vibe from him too, there are somethings that are culturally taboo, an old guy who looks like that dancing to children's songs makes me shudder. If it was a young female teacher who was teaching it directly to children It would be fine. |
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Fuzzy_Dunlop
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| Posted: Fri Feb 05, 2016 10:20 am Post subject: |
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| I'm not sure if you don't know what 'universally' means or you can't count very well. I'm not sure you know what 'sexist' means either. |
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