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The Bobster
Joined: 15 Jan 2003
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 Posted: Mon Oct 10, 2005 7:29 am Post subject: |
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Joo, I love you so much for your comments comparing Cindy to a militia leader, and your incessant harping about Lynne Stewart, well ... thanks for nudging me to do a little research on her.
Guess who Cindy's latest friend is? No, not David Duke, that was your ludicrous attempt at a joke - Thich Nhat Hahn. Yeah, go wiki him, though their entry on him is pretty thin ... in the meantime, let's see what Cindy's been saying :
Every day we do things, we are things that have to do with peace. If we are aware of our life..., our way of looking at things, we will know how to make peace right in the moment, we are alive. Thich Nhat Hahn.
In a speech I delivered at the Riverside Church in NYC on the one year anniversary of Casey's death, which was also the 37th anniversary of MLK, Jr's death, I said: We must all do one thing for peace each day. I now know that is not enough. We must live peace and embody peace if we want peace on earth. Our entire lives must be for peace. Not just one activity a day.
Every step is peace.
That was the theme for today's walk in Mac Arthur Park. Tha^y reminded us to be in the "present" and take every step in peace and know that we are walking on the earth in peace. He lovingly admonished the hundreds of people who came to hear his witness to do everything in peace: eat, walk, talk, breathe, sleep, work, play, etc. No yelling, no angry words, no harsh statements. This admonishment struck me to the bone because I have been so "strident" in my criticism of the Bushies in their quest for power, greed, and destruction. There must be a better way now if we truly want our country to live in eternal peace and not eternal war.
I have arrived. I am home.
Militia leader fer damn sure. You betcha by golly.
Watch out, that scary Sheehan woman is coming. She's dangerous. |
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Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee
Joined: 25 May 2003
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| Posted: Mon Oct 10, 2005 12:10 pm Post subject: |
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What I think the financial times means by occupied is that there are troops in New Orleans.
But we know her opinion of Iraq and when she compares it US actions to those NO she very well could be saying that Occupation = War . In other words she is implying that US troops in New Orleans = aggression by the US government against Americans. That the danger is not from Al Qaida but from the US government and that Bush is using the army to take over.
By the way her position is so extreme are there any mainstream people anywhere who want US troops withdrawn from New Orleans?I mean does the Mayor - someone who I think is a decent guy who did what he could under such a tragedy - want the soliders withdrawn? It is such an extreme position. Show me a main stream figure who calls for soldiers withdrawn. Someone would probably call for their withdrawal only if they were oppressing or making war on the citizens . and when she seems compares New Orleans to Iraq - it is reasonable to assume that she is equating the two. And remember this is not out of the blue - she is a full of praise for Lynn Stewart someone who things the US government is enemy # 1 .
She is dangerous to any democrat that wants to be president |
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The Bobster
Joined: 15 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Wed Oct 12, 2005 8:18 am Post subject: |
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| Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee wrote: |
| What I think the financial times means by occupied is that there are troops in New Orleans. |
Thank you for once again telling us that the same words mean different things when spoken by different people ... according to you, that is, a guy who think torture is good for America and who has admitted he would collaborate with an armed occupying army planning to build bases lasting for decades on our own homeland - Joo, you have said that you not only decline to take a shot if you could run away in safety, you have said that you would help the people trying to dominate our homeland.
You have said that. You. Deny it if you like, but we both know you did say that. And you have the gall to question anyhone else's patriotism, love of country - or even sanity. Wierd.
You are the guy who claims to judge a mother of a dead son killed by his own heroism because he believed the lies of his president - and you have admitted elsewhere that the things Buch&Co have said were not true - but it doesn't matter according to you, I guess, Cindy's son had to die for an ideal that was far removed from the realpolitik of securing a base for ouor country's hegemony in the region.
Yet you see her speak of Dr King and watch her walk in the park with Thich Nhat Hahn -Every step in peace - still maintaining your comparison to "militia"armies hiding in the hills of Idaho and Montana ... you are the stuff of laughter.
Why are you so afraid of this woman, joo? From all the attacks you make, and persist in despite facts shown contrary to your assertions, it is clear that you are very afraid,
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Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee
Joined: 25 May 2003
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| Posted: Wed Oct 12, 2005 2:34 pm Post subject: |
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| Thank you for once again telling us that the same words mean different things when spoken by different people ... according to you, that is, a guy who think torture is good for America and who has admitted he would collaborate with an armed occupying army planning to build bases lasting for decades on our own homeland - Joo, you have said that you not only decline to take a shot if you could run away in safety, you have said that you would help the people trying to dominate our homeland. |
All coming from the Bobster who is worried that the US is too powerful , and thinks that any strategic gains the US makes in Iraq are ill gotten gains that must be returned.
The Bobster who seems to think that the US has no right to force mideast regimes and elites to stop teaching hate , inctiing violence, planning terror and funding Al Qaida well sorry Bob
would have been criminal for WW II Japan to fight against the US?
The Kurds and the Shias aren't fighting.
Furthermore as I said before
would fight for my country if my government was legitimate, and if the invaders were really out to destroy my country and destroy my home and my family
But Saddam's government was not legitimate.
And US forces are not out to destroy Iraq , nor are they out to destroy the homes of Iraqis.
So your comparison is junk
And I would not be fighting against elections like the insurgents are.
Nor would I participate or support the mideast revolutionary agenda that Saddam engaged in.
And again the if the insurgents are fighting for their homes then why are they targeting other ethnic groups?
It is not legitimate to attack other ethnic groups.
It is not legitimate to try to stop elections cause your group can't win.
It is not legitimate to fight for the bathist geo political/ regional agenda.
It is not legitimate to go against the wishes of the legitimate Iraqi government which is not only more legitimate and representative than the previous Iraqi government but more legitimate and representative than most governments in the middle.
If the insurgents were fighting for their homes and families they would not do these things.
The insurgents are not fighting for their homes and families they are fighting to rule Iraq.
The insurgents ' war in not legitimate.
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| You have said that. You. Deny it if you like, but we both know you did say that. And you have the gall to question anyhone else's patriotism, love of country - or even sanity. Wierd. |
Go worry that the US is too powerful and that any strategic gain the US makes is an ill gotten gain that must be returned.
http://www.eslcafe.com/forums/korea/viewtopic.php?t=29718&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=90
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| What I have said about international law in the past - as you well know - is that the insurgents probably do not care very much about it, and that if I were in their place I would not care either. Whether they believe Allah will take them to paradise or not, people who are fighting for their homes and their families against a foreign invading army do not CARE about international law, GB - they care about getting the job done |
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| Gonna gently suggest that you do not know what you would do in the event that massively armed invading armies marched down the street of the town or city where you resided as a boy. Would you compromise and collaborate with the invaders or do something else? I have no idea what you would do, and so I will make no judgments, but I have a feeling that if you were to do anything less than complete opposition then you just might regret it at some point in your life. |
bobster thinks that the insurgents are defending their homes and families
How is targeting other ethnic groups defending your homes and families?
How is trying to stop elections nationwide cause you can't win defending your homes and families?
How is trying to overthrow the Iraqi government which is far more legitmate than the one it replaced fighting for your homes and families?
How is fighting for the Bathists geo political agenda fighting for your homes and families?
How is being a foreing fighter fighting for Bin Ladens' agenda to regain the Caliphate fighting for your homes and familes?
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| You are the guy who claims to judge a mother of a dead son killed by his own heroism because he believed the lies of his president - and you have admitted elsewhere that the things Buch&Co have said were not true - but it doesn't matter according to you, I guess, Cindy's son had to die for an ideal that was far removed from the realpolitik of securing a base for ouor country's hegemony in the region. |
The US was attacked on 9-11 because of the way the mideast is.
Well we know the answer to this one the Bobster likely thinks the US has no right to force mideast regimes and elties to stop teaching hate. inciting violence, planning terror and funding Al Qaida.
Sorry Robert.
Yes she is like a miltia leader in that seems thinks the primary enemy is the US government and not Al Qaida.
she compares the occupation of New Orleans with that of Iraq and no mainstream person calls for the withdrawal of US forces from New Orleans.
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| Why are you so afraid of this woman, joo? From all the attacks you make, and persist in despite facts shown contrary to your assertions, it is clear that you are very afraid, |
I just think the record on her ought to be clear.
You didn't show any facts just Bobsterish nonsense. |
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The Bobster
Joined: 15 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Thu Oct 13, 2005 4:14 pm Post subject: |
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http://www.eslcafe.com/forums/korea/viewtopic.php?t=29718&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=90
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"The topic or post you requested does not exist."
Why do you post dead links, Joo? |
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Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee
Joined: 25 May 2003
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| Posted: Thu Oct 13, 2005 6:15 pm Post subject: |
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I didn't write' em you did.
http://www.eslcafe.com/forums/korea/viewtopic.php?t=29718&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=90
BOBSTER SAID:
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| What I have said about international law in the past - as you well know - is that the insurgents probably do not care very much about it, and that if I were in their place I would not care either. Whether they believe Allah will take them to paradise or not, people who are fighting for their homes and their families against a foreign invading army do not CARE about international law, GB - they care about getting the job done |
BOBSTER SAID
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| Gonna gently suggest that you do not know what you would do in the event that massively armed invading armies marched down the street of the town or city where you resided as a boy. Would you compromise and collaborate with the invaders or do something else? I have no idea what you would do, and so I will make no judgments, but I have a feeling that if you were to do anything less than complete opposition then you just might regret it at some point in your life. |
bobster thinks that the insurgents are defending their homes and families
How is targeting other ethnic groups defending your homes and families?
How is trying to stop elections nationwide cause you can't win defending your homes and families?
How is trying to overthrow the Iraqi government which is far more legitmate than the one it replaced fighting for your homes and families?
How is fighting for the Bathists geo political agenda fighting for your homes and families?
How is being a foreing fighter fighting for Bin Ladens' agenda to regain the Caliphate fighting for your homes and familes? |
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The Bobster
Joined: 15 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Thu Oct 13, 2005 7:43 pm Post subject: |
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| Why do you post dead links, Joo? |
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Gwangjuboy
Joined: 08 Jul 2003
Location: England
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| Posted: Thu Oct 13, 2005 7:54 pm Post subject: |
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| Why do you post dead links, Joo? |
Are you denying that you said those things? I remember the thread clearly; you were suggesting that the insurgents should be free from criticism despite flagrantly violating customary international law regarding perfidy. Particuarly cute was the time a member of your ilk suggested that no international law had been violated because there had been no ruling in an international court on the subject. They forgot that there has not been a decision from an international court on whether the invasion of Iraq was illegal either. Good times. I also think that Joo is right to bring your comments up; that thread spoke volumes about what sort of a person you really are. |
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The Bobster
Joined: 15 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Thu Oct 13, 2005 8:46 pm Post subject: |
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| Why do you post dead links, Joo? |
Are you denying that you said those things? |
Haven't denied saying anything - I am asking why he posts dead links. I am happy with the quotes, and I am pleased at the way Joo's constant attention to me makes me famous. 
Your memory of the thread is faulty, and it shows exactly why the context of a larger discussion is important. I suggested nothing similar to what you assert I suggested. At least Joo has the sense to quote me correctly.
But I want to know why he saves links to deleted discussion threads on his computer.
Joo, why do you post dead links? |
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Gwangjuboy
Joined: 08 Jul 2003
Location: England
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| Posted: Thu Oct 13, 2005 9:42 pm Post subject: |
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| Haven't denied saying anything - I am asking why he posts dead links. |
Maybe he considered your performance in that thread a reflection of your true colours; an extreme left winger who views the Iraqi insurgents as freedom fighters.
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| Your memory of the thread is faulty |
I summed it up pretty well actually.
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| and it shows exactly why the context of a larger discussion is important. I suggested nothing similar to what you assert I suggested. |
Not once in that thread did you criticise insurgents who wear American military attire, and then detonate themselves killing your fellow countrymen. In fact, you implied that they were freedom fighters, and that international law doesn't apply to them.
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| At least Joo has the sense to quote me correctly. |
I might be wrong, but I wouldn't be surprised if he construed your remarks in the same way as I did.
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| But I want to know why he saves links to deleted discussion threads on his computer. |
I don't think you realise how much ammunition you gave us in that thread. Some of your comments in that thread would end a left wing democrat's poltical career.
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| Joo, why do you post dead links? |
I think you will get the same answer I just gave. I'll let him clear it up though, just to be sure. |
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Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee
Joined: 25 May 2003
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| Posted: Fri Oct 14, 2005 12:15 am Post subject: |
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At this point it wasn't necessary to save Bobs' opinions on any computer. They were already readily available on this board.
Bob's words tell about Bob. |
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bigverne
Joined: 12 May 2004
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| Posted: Fri Oct 14, 2005 2:15 am Post subject: |
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| people who are fighting for their homes and their families |
That really is shameful, and highly indicative of the kind of extremist, moral equivalence that some on the far-Left seem to indulge in. Once you get past the Bobster's moral posturing, what lurks beneath is most unpleasant indeed. |
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The Bobster
Joined: 15 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Sat Oct 15, 2005 5:21 am Post subject: |
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| Haven't denied saying anything - I am asking why he posts dead links. |
Maybe he considered your performance in that thread a reflection of your true colours; an extreme left winger who views the Iraqi insurgents as freedom fighters. |
I am neither extreme, nor have I ever called a terrorist a freedom fighter. It's a word Ronald Reagan used to described his friendly murderous Contras, and if I ever do use it I do so only sarcastically. You, sir, are a liar.
Why does Joo post dead links, GB?
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| Your memory of the thread is faulty |
I summed it up pretty well actually. |
Not even close, and I was being charitable in a direction that did not deserve it. I never suggested that the insurgents should be free of criticism, and I have on many occasions expressed condemnation for their acts of violence against innocent civilians. You, sir, are a liar.
Why does Joo post dead links, GB?
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| and it shows exactly why the context of a larger discussion is important. I suggested nothing similar to what you assert I suggested. |
Not once in that thread did you criticise insurgents who wear American military attire, and then detonate themselves killing your fellow countrymen. In fact, you implied that they were freedom fighters, and that international law doesn't apply to them. |
I never saaid a thing about international law and who it applied to. You, sir, are a liar.
Why does Joo post dead link, GB?
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| At least Joo has the sense to quote me correctly. |
I might be wrong, but I wouldn't be surprised if he construed your remarks in the same way as I did. |
The possibility exists, then, that you are both bloody daft, something a few of us have suspected for a while now.
Why does Joo post dead links, GB?
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| But I want to know why he saves links to deleted discussion threads on his computer. |
I don't think you realise how much ammunition you gave us in that thread. Some of your comments in that thread would end a left wing democrat's poltical career. |
I have no problem with anything I've said, and I'd like you or Joo or anyone to say to me exact;y what is unusual about people who see a foreign army invading their homeland deciding to pick up a gun and waiting until later to worry about international law.
Joo, on the other hand, claims he would collaborate and assist such a foreign army - myself I think he is less than sincere : if he loves his country as much as he says he does he would pick up a gun and take a shot. I have a lot of trouble believing in the patriotism (or sincerity) of anyone who says otherwise.
Why does Joo post dead links, GB?
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| Joo, why do you post dead links? |
I think you will get the same answer I just gave. I'll let him clear it up though, just to be sure. |
Why does Joo post dead links, GB?
Saturday evening right now, not long before midnight, and not one of you - not Joo, not Gwangjuboy and not bigverne has seaid a word about Cindy Shheehan. I think the right wing is as afraid of her as the three of you are agraid of me.
Cindy hangs out with Buddhist monks who teach her mindful meditatation, and The Bobster spends his days teaching kindergarten - if the lot you are all so afriad of us, it indicates something really small about you ... sorry, I can't help with that. |
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The Bobster
Joined: 15 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Sat Oct 15, 2005 5:54 am Post subject: |
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At this point it wasn't necessary to save Bobs' opinions on any computer. They were already readily available on this board.
Bob's words tell about Bob. |
Still curious what it says about you that you do this. I think you care a lot about me, that you download my words into your machine just to save them from the deleting mod's axe ... part of me is really touched by this, Joo.
I wanna give you a big hug.
By the way,do you really think that your stance of collabaration and assisting an occupying force in your country is superior in some way to my own simple statement that I( can understand that people seeing thier hoimes under attack do not care much about international law? If you do think so, tell us why you do. I'm curious.
Let me know when you have anything new to say about Cindy ...
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| people who are fighting for their homes and their families |
That really is shameful, and highly indicative of the kind of extremist, moral equivalence that some on the far-Left seem to indulge in. Once you get past the Bobster's moral posturing, what lurks beneath is most unpleasant indeed. |
Do YOU agree with Joo's route of quisling collaboation? I doubt it, and I wonder why you defend it. Do you claim, as he does, that if an invading army were marching down your home town in England that the best route would be to collaborate and assist them rather than pick up a gun and oppose? I wonder why you defend that also.
Have you heard of this woman named Cindy Sheehan? Come back when you have something to say about her ... |
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bigverne
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| Posted: Sat Oct 15, 2005 6:20 am Post subject: |
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| Do you claim, as he does, that if an invading army were marching down your home town in England that the best route would be to collaborate and assist them rather than pick up a gun and oppose? |
There's legitimate opposition, and then there's blowing yourself up outside a mosque. There's fighting against tyranny, and then there's fighting to impose a medieval theocracy. I doubt someone who holds such morally relativistic views as yours would be able to make the distinction. |
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