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astral projection / astral travel: possible or no?
yes
43%
 43%  [ 18 ]
no
56%
 56%  [ 23 ]
Total Votes : 41

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mindmetoo



Joined: 02 Feb 2004

PostPosted: Mon Nov 03, 2008 3:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

hermes.trismegistus wrote:
When you look for impartial judges, you look for people who do not have competing interests - as in the National Academy Press study: "None of the commentators agreed with Hyman, while two statisticians and two psychologists not previously associated with this debate explicitly agreed with Honorton."


No one in science is impartial. Evidence, however, wins in the end. Most astronomers subscribed to steady state. Not anymore. Evidence moved them.
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EzeWong



Joined: 26 Mar 2008
Location: Seoul

PostPosted: Mon Nov 03, 2008 4:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

When I was younger I used to believe a lot in "pseudo sciences" (lol its what I like to call them).

I had one such experience though, it was pretty rocking.

Later I read a book on how to do induce an Astral projection and it said "drink a glass of wine". At that point, Astral projection lost all credibility with me.
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mindmetoo



Joined: 02 Feb 2004

PostPosted: Mon Nov 03, 2008 6:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

EzeWong wrote:
When I was younger I used to believe a lot in "pseudo sciences" (lol its what I like to call them).

I had one such experience though, it was pretty rocking.

Later I read a book on how to do induce an Astral projection and it said "drink a glass of wine". At that point, Astral projection lost all credibility with me.


This American Life had a good segment about ghosts. A family was experiencing what they thought was haunting. All the classic signs: strange noises, waking up, seeing apparitions, etc. Turns out they had a CO leak in their furnace and when they got it fixed the ghosts went away. They also noted that the old gas lights used in England and America's NE (home of a lot of ghost stories from the Victorian era) would pump out a large amount of CO. Consider Korean culture has a strong belief in ghosts. And consider ondol heating a couple generations ago used to pump CO into homes.

There you go.
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Cornfed



Joined: 14 Mar 2008

PostPosted: Mon Nov 03, 2008 6:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

One experience I had was that I was lying half awake one morning having read a book on astral travel the night before, so I decided to give it a go. I projected myself to what I thought was a house I had once lived in and walked through the front door and up the stairs. When I got to the top of the stairs I realized that it was actually a different house (it had one door there instead of two) and in fact resembled a house further up the street from the one I had lived in. The door was slightly ajar so I walked through and into a living room where three young men were eating breakfast at a small table. First one of them and then the other two began looking in my direction. I was surprised and asked "Can you see me" a couple of times and got a muffled affirmative response the second time.

Remembering that wiggling your big toe could be used as a trigger to return to your body, I said "I'm going to show you a trick; are you watching?" I got no response so I said loudly "Are you watching?" to which one of them shouted "Yes!". I then wiggled my big toe and was instantly wide awake.

I suppose this was almost certainly just a lucid dream but it seemed so real and it started when I was almost awake. Interesting experience anyway.
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Tiger Beer



Joined: 07 Feb 2003

PostPosted: Mon Nov 03, 2008 7:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Cornfed, great story!

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I had an interesting occurence happen recently after my grandfather passed away. I had a dream where I went to a house which seemed very familiar (but one I didn't know in this world). I walked through the front door and could feel my grandfather's presense, then had a strong sensation rush through my body and I was awake again.
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Spagett



Joined: 11 Oct 2008
Location: England

PostPosted: Mon Nov 03, 2008 8:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

hermes, is "Astral Dynamics" by Robert Bruce worth getting to learn more about AP?

or do you have any other recommendations?
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Koveras



Joined: 09 Oct 2008

PostPosted: Mon Nov 03, 2008 11:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rteacher wrote:
based on my understanding of Vedic culture


I adore it when you say this!
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rhinosaur



Joined: 25 Oct 2008

PostPosted: Tue Nov 04, 2008 2:09 am    Post subject: Meditate! Giv'er a go! free your mind! See the world... Reply with quote

If it is possible, why wouldn't we want to explore or expand the idea??

Everything on this planet is in a constant state of evolution. Why wouldn't the human mind/energy being evolve as well? Why should we fear what we don't understand or avoid or even deny it's possibility.

Conservative religious belief systems tend to get in the way of exploring unknown territory...it's too bad really.

As for making something legit to the public...It is unfortunate that when researching new concepts (or anything for that matter) that the people involved are interested in personal aspirations first (ie: being published or recognized in some significant manner). Furthermore, their work must be scrutinized by their peers/superiors, ALSO interested in advancing their own status or reputation. Most new concepts are doomed from the start as they may conflict with someone else's further up the ladder of "success" and therefore be squashed!

Wonderful things can happen when you can turn off your ego, step out of the mental static and explore your mind....why would that ever seem wrong?
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tomato



Joined: 31 Jan 2003
Location: I get so little foreign language experience, I must be in Koreatown, Los Angeles.

PostPosted: Tue Nov 04, 2008 4:14 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

One time in Central America, a resemblance to the face of Jesus appeared on a fence.
People came from miles around to see this holy vision.
Abandoned crutches and wheelchairs gradually accumulated.
Then a worker washed off the whitewash and found that it wasn't Jesus, it was Willy Nelson.
Then the miracles stopped taking place.

When I was living in Knoxville, Tennessee, they built a church with a stained glass window in which a cross mysteriously appeared at nighttime.
That resulted in a few faith healings, too.
Then there was a power failure which temporarily put out the street lights outside.
When the street lights came back on, the cross on the stained glass window reappeared.
Then the miracles stopped taking place.
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mindmetoo



Joined: 02 Feb 2004

PostPosted: Tue Nov 04, 2008 5:38 am    Post subject: Re: Meditate! Giv'er a go! free your mind! See the world... Reply with quote

rhinosaur wrote:
If it is possible, why wouldn't we want to explore or expand the idea??


I never voted in the poll as it forces a false dichotomy where there's the third option "maybe". I mean maybe but I await good evidence.

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Everything on this planet is in a constant state of evolution. Why wouldn't the human mind/energy being evolve as well? Why should we fear what we don't understand or avoid or even deny it's possibility.


I don't know anyone who fears this. If it exists, it would usher in a whole range of new scientific research. Money a poppin for science.

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As for making something legit to the public...It is unfortunate that when researching new concepts (or anything for that matter) that the people involved are interested in personal aspirations first (ie: being published or recognized in some significant manner).


Good to know you can psychically look into the minds of all research scientists and understand their motivation. Sorry, when I see hundreds of scientists working on zebra fish or fruit flies, they're not working to be recognized in some grand manner. They're trying to solve a very small problem that's part of a bigger problem. Science is wikipedia. You add your little bit. No one is going to award you a gold barn star for spotting a few typos but at the end of the day you do it, or many do it, because they want to add a little bit to make the whole bigger.

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Furthermore, their work must be scrutinized by their peers/superiors, ALSO interested in advancing their own status or reputation.


And oddly this system has kept us from making many wrong turns. Unlike, say, soviet science. Peer review is merely a step that helps clear up some errors the might be overlooked by the experimenter and suggests controls the experimenter might have missed.

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Most new concepts are doomed from the start as they may conflict with someone else's further up the ladder of "success" and therefore be squashed!


Err. Yeah, odd how they squashed all the basic and applied science that produced the computer and Internet you're using to post this. Your claim is so much hand waving.

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Wonderful things can happen when you can turn off your ego, step out of the mental static and explore your mind....why would that ever seem wrong?


You get science. You get things like computers and the Internet. Scientists have to turn off their ego when they submit their work for peer review as peer reviewers are usually not gentle in their criticism. Scientists have to turn off their ego when they present new ideas at conferences because the q/a period is not a tea party. Even something as basic as a thesis defense is not just a "thank you for confirming big science was right" party.

Geez.
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